Salvation Forum
A forum to discuss Salvation, Eternal Security and other topics that pertain to Salvation.
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How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!!! Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS= That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be Saved.................... ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- An example prayer for those that have never talked to God! Heavenly Father:........................................... ............…
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I do not believe a person can "fall from grace" and lose salvation. However, can a person renounce the decision to follow Christ? I have known a few people who have done so. One experienced salvation, and lived like it for awhile. However, after a number of terrible events in his life, he walked away and renounced his belief in Christ, and now lives as an athiest. Again, I am not talking about losing salvation due to a mere drifting away from faith or falling into sin. I am talking about a conscious decision to renounce Christ and their faith in him. What happens when people do this? Do they lose the salvation that they at one point in their lives accepted? If …
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Repentance CANNOT save I'm writing on the topic of repentance in regards to salvation because this is a subject that is very misinterpreted today, (even amongst Independent, Fundamental Baptists) and there’s a LOT of false teaching out there under the guise of repentance that is actually teaching a works-based salvation. The mistake that most people make is that, whenever they see the word "repent" in the Bible, they add these words after it: “of your sins”. So whenever they see the word "repent" they just automatically add "of sin"... repent of your sin. In fact, they often think that just the word "repent" means to turn from sin, but the Bible doe…
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Hello Family of God, "What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?" (Psalm 8:4) Quite a tiny world called Earth in a cosmos of near endless celestial bodies; and yet the Omnipresent Creator presents to the inhabitants of this infinitesimal world an Unfathomable Love which surpasses all comprehension of finite man. God is too often accused of being mean-spirited by unbelievers, and this is because they do NOT know Him who takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezek. 18:32; 33:11; Rom. 5:8; 1 Cor. 13:6). However, it would be an injustice on God's part if He were to allow unrepentant sinners entrance into His Eterna…
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Below is an article on the meaning of the word "Repentence." It is taken from the Greek word, and often times is misunderstood. https://blu173.mail.live.com/default.aspx?id=64855#!/mail/ViewOfficePreview.aspx?messageid=a2b1582c-4593-11e3-a43d-00215ad88c62&folderid=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&attindex=0&cp=-1&attdepth=0&n=211995724
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There is an 800 page book by author Dan Corner, it supposedly has all the bible info on how and why you can lose your salvation. He cannot differentiate between Eternal Security and OSAS. OSAS is a license for immorality as he correctly mentions in his book, and at the same time says that Eternal Security and OSAS are one and the same with regards to a license for immorality. He explains why Eternal Security is dangerous and a damnable heresy because folks would say, "I can sin all Iwant, I am saved and can't lose it no matter how I live my life." This could not be further from the truth. It is written: "...and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified…
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Hello Family of God, There will always be a debate as to whether a Genuine Believer can stop believing, or if someone who DOES NOT believe IN THEIR HEART can come to believe at some point in their life. The Bible makes it VERY CLEAR that there is Genuine Belief that can never fall away from TRUE FAITH, and a false belief or unbelief that stems from a hardened heart that will NEVER be persuaded of the Gospel Message and Salvation by Grace through TRUE FAITH. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; …
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I'm new to the Baptist doctrine, so please excuse my ignorant inquiries. I would like to know about salvation. Do Christians who adhere to the teachings of other Christian denominations (sub-denominations / groups / Churches etc.) have a chance at salvation, or do only Baptists get saved?
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Hello Family of God . . . or NOT, "Then said one unto him, [LORD], are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, [Strive] (Grk. "agonizesthe" [present imperative] -- i.e., "to struggle intensely; a continuous effort to strenuously contend as the athletes did through exertion") to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able." (Luke 13:23-24) Brackets and ALL CAPS are used for [EMPHASIS]. Please excuse my grammatical inaccuracies and errors in punctuation; as I am a fallen creature who is capable of making mistakes here on Earth. Though some of my words may seem harsh, it is never my intention to verbal…
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I'm hoping this is in the right place, but I'm new so sorry if it isn't. My husband and I are Christian and trying to find a path to convert denominations to IFB. Specifically I am because my husband doesn't really care one way or the other but I'm hoping to change his heart about it. I don't know where to start. There are Independent Baptist churches near me (we are going to one in a few minutes) but no IFB churches. I feel lost.
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Thought I'd post this here, since it is all about salvation and what the LORD does for someone when He saves them! Please give it a listen. Sunday, December 30, 2018 http://jeremiah616.sermon.net/main/main/21286037
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Repentance is a direct change of mind, brought on by the awareness of sin in your life and the fact that your sin has violated the laws of God. This changing of mind, is produced by an inward sorrow, remorse and regret over sins committed, which results in a redirected, or changed life. Led To Repentance - Pastor Dale Massengale http://jeremiah616.sermon.net/main/main/8773468
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This list of questions has been in the flyleaf of my Bible for some time, and is very effective when dealing with carnal and baby Christians that have not yet grasped the finality of their salvation. They seem convinced that they haven't believed hard enough, or that there must be something left for them to do in order to feel for certain that they are saved. These questions are designed to replace the word "feel" with the word "know." "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" (Rom 5:1 KJV). EIGHTEEN QUESTIONS ON ASSURANCE 1. Did Jesus die for me personally? 2. Did the Saviour fail in His effort to save me?…
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Refuting a reasonable Arminian’s arguments against Calvinism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO92L11L9jc&fbclid=IwAR395IpOFNsdTEjW8ryzXhu4hjBfYOZI1KmuYTcCz-OL-XIiuX1RAvw1quk Brother Mike, I believe you have several things wrong in your presentation, though you have a lot that is good. You gave us the wrong grammar in Ephesians 2:8 and you have wrongly stated that Calvinists view faith as a work - it is a gift, not a work. Here is the question that "free will" religionists cannot answer BIBLICALLY. They have lots of opinions, but not Scripture that tells us "WHY do some people have faith and others do not?" The Bible DO…
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Why do so many Christians doubt their Salvation if God's promises are never to be broken? It concerns me a great deal that there are many genuine Christians who are indeed saved but feel as if they're not at times. Verily, verily, I say unto you. He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath [present tense] everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed [perfect tense] from death unto life. (John 5:24) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know [perfect tense] that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (1 John 5:13) The "p…
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If there ever is a doctrine that takes away the full assurance of hope and being with Christ, our Savior upon physical death . . . then it has got to be the false doctrine of soul sleep. One of my pet peeves are those who teach and promote false doctrines and heresies -- even on the web. I often email them and challenge them to a debate. I came across a website that promotes the false doctrine of "soul sleep" http://wordonly.net/CI06.html and was stunned at just how the author twisted scripture out of context with eisegesis and poor understanding of simple vocabulary that even a child can grasp. There is no "soul sleep". Immediately upon death, the spirit goes eithe…
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I have a question regarding salvation. I believe we are saved when we believe in the gospel....the moment. BUT, when I got saved I didn't really feel saved until I grew more as a christian, my faith grew, strengthened, and confirmed that i was indeed a child of God. Sometimes I doubt that I was saved at that moment, because I didn't feel like it. On the other hand, I don't believe we are saved on confidence, but all faith we have on Jesus and 0 on everything else. In other words, it doesn't matter how much faith we have, just that it all must be on him. Thoughts?
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Emery Bancroft teachings of Calvinism.
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- According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all matters pertaining to the afterlife; most of the world's responsible souls haven't been making it to safety when they cross over to the other side. ● Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ● Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, a…
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- ● Acts 1:1-3 . .The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: to whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. That's fine that Jesus showed himself alive to the apostles by many convincing proofs; but where's our proofs? How are his followers today supposed to be convinced Jesus is alive? ● 1Cor 9:1 . . Have I not seen Jesus Christ our …
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- According to Christ's sayings; the properties of night and day are distinctly different. ● John 11:9-10 . . Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. The light of this world is the sun. ● Gen 1:14 . . And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night ● Gen 1:16 . . And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night So then; when…
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Hi guys. I don't know where to post this, but the Lord has been laying it in my heart for the past few days to tell people about Jesus. This burden is so strong that I have felt sick and very desperate to reach out to others and tell them about Jesus. I asked my Pastor if there were any ministries I could do through my church to serve God, but all he said to me was that if there was anything, he'd let me know. God has been driving me to serve Him so bad that I don't think I can wait much longer for an answer from my Pastor, I am desperate here and I don't think he understands just how urgent it is to witness to the lost. People are dying and going to Hell. That is no l…
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If a person basically swore before God saying, before God I say this, and lied, can he or she be forgiven if they completely regret and repent for it?
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ABOUT BIRTH FROM ABOVE What do I see in the Bible about this? There is a biblical and very brief formula: " Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God." Simple and universal! Why such a formula is more correct than the generally accepted tradition: "Repented = born again"? Because it corresponds 100% to what Christ taught about the birth of Above in John 3: 1-21. We have the original source of the Birth from Above Doctrine - The Christ Himself! I propose for all in the Birth from Above Doctrine let’s stop to be, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way in a study of a Birth from Above Doctrine - then we will …
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1 Peter 3: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. It specifies only the "disobedient" spirits which were BEFORE the flood. I was going to mention this in another thread but it was closed.
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It may sound like a simple question at first, but give it some thought before answering. And to be clear, I am not asking if men were "saved" before Pentecost, I am asking if men were regenerated prior to Pentecost. Either way you understand it, please include a Scriptural Basis for you response. God bless.
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"Matthew 10:5-6 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Under two gospel doctrine, “gospel of the Kingdom” teaches Jesus and the twelve disciples never entered nor preached in Samaria. The above verse is quoted as an absolute not as a one mission event. Does Jesus or any of His disciples ever travel to Samaria? John Chapter 4 3 He (Jesus) left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee. 4 And He must needs go through Samaria. 5 Then cometh He to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, ne…
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Matthew 1:21 And she (Mary) shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. The question becomes who is "his people". Some teach this is the Jewish Nation. They are Mary's people and Jesus is Mary's son. What did Jesus say? John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Well that would mean everyone is "his people". God owning all the people, Jews & Gentiles. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he h…
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Can someone please help me? I have been have many doubts about my salvation for many months now. All these thought go through my head: was my repentance real? did I really put ALL my trust in the blood of Jesus Christ? Is it now impossible for me to repent?. Quite honestly sometimes I don't know how much longer I can hold on. When I try to overcome these doubts by remembering my testimony, I really wonder if it was real or not. I'll try to make it short but it goes like this. I was camping with a bunch of people I didn't really know about 4 years ago, I drank a bunch of psychedelic cool-aid. I went through many hours of what can only be described as demonic torment, …
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Does anybody's church use The Exchange discipleship book lessons? The author is Jeff Musgrave and its printed by Journeyforth a division of Bob Jones University Press. They are excellent discipleship tools, but it's hard to keep new believers to commit to going through the entire program. The first book is called The Exchange and goes through the basics of salvation. The second is Living the Exchange and goes through several topics about living a Christian life. The thirst is called Giving the Exchange and obviously focuses on evangelism and specific ways to reach out to the lost. If anyone has used it, I'd like to hear how it worked out for you?
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The Lord said that no greater gift can a man give than to lay down his life for a friend. This passage seemingly refers to physical life in context IMO (since we have the authority to actually give up our physical life for another) BUT: And let me caveat this by saying that I see no where in Scripture where this is possible so this thread is purely hypothetical. If the Lord made provision at some point in the future, would you exchange your place in Heaven with a lost loved one in hell FOR ETERNITY? If the answer is no for just one loved one, how about for all your loved ones whom are lost either currently living or already dead? Pondering on my own an…
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I just thought Id post up the simple truth about God's will for sinners. These verses have been very comforting to me recently, and I believe that they can help people who might be going through some of the same things I have. If you ever doubt your salvation, or if you have loved ones that are not saved then meditate on these promises from the Lord. " For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" 1 Timothy 2:3,4 " And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, ' Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?' But when Jesus heard that, he said un…
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Hello everyone. This may seem silly and I may just be having a panic attack over nothing. I was saved on April 27th and was pulled out of a life of bouncing from religion to religion searching for truth (raised Mormon, Catholic, Wiccan/Pagan, Buddhist, Hindu, Charismatic, even dabbled in Scientology and Jehovah's Wittness). Any who, after I accepted Christ, I continued to smoke. I am hoping today is my first day without cigarettes. Was my salvation not valid or did I lose it already because I was still smoking? I am sorry I am new to all this and I am getting baptized on Sunday, I am just reaching out to more mature Christians for advice because I am going crazy worrying …
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Romans 5:1 & 5:2 are talking about two different things. V1 starts with ‘therefore’ and is summing up ‘Justification by faith’ V2 is a change of topic and is about ‘Standing’, which is also accessed by faith and is also possible by Grace. The access is permanent and fixed, the entering and standing are down to us (many versions of the modern Bibles obscure this change and distinction of topic and make both verses about the one topic, Justification.) If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
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Ga 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Ga 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. Ga 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. A Christian can't lose their salvation, if they are actualy saved, but they can fail to stand, and fall from grace and as such Christ will profit nothing, and the Christian can be in a state of worse sinning than they were …
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What are the biblical definition(s) of a saint to accept a person as a brother or sister in Christ?
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New thread continued from Brothers and Sisters in Christ: Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. Not the answer you were looking for I am guessing but there it is. The love of the world precludes doing the will of God and precludes abiding forever. The love of the world is in direct contradiction to the wil…
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1 Cor. 3:10-15 10 "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon." 11 "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." 12 "Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;" 13 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is." 14 "If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward." 15 "If …
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Some have the opinion that I am wrong in my view of eternal security. Here is one post I stated - "Hold on here fellas. Eternal life starts at death. We don't get eternal life while here, so we can't lose it! It is the promise of eternal life that Christ purchased through his death burial and resurrection. That promise is fulfilled in each one that believes in Jesus Christ with all their heart. When someone believes with all their heart, they don't just one day choose not to. That is not the type of creature we are after salvation. The scriptures say we are a NEW creature! Not the old. Yes we can choose to disobey and do ungodl…
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Question: As some of you know, my father is in a critical condition right now because of diabetes. Me, my sister, Pastors and Bible students in our church shared to him the gospel many times in the hospital. In some of the questions about salvation, faith, repentance, he just answered a short reply of 'yes'. There was one time, I heard him said that Christ is his hope. My question is: Can we know if he is truly saved though he cannot show it anymore bec he is in his death bed? Can we know if he truly accept and believe in Christ if his profession of faith is not the same like us healthy people? Most of his answer is just plain and short "yes". Any thoughts on this? His h…
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Taken from BO We believe in order to truly pass from death to life a person must repent of their sins. remission of sins by grace through faith in Gods promise and Christ's blood. We believe good works do not and can never have any part in salvation. So what you are saying is salvation doesn't come from doing good, but it does come from quitting bad. This is why the definition of repent is so important. This leads ppl to confusion about what salvation is. If you want to kick me off, kick me off. JONAH 3:10
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I have been troubled by something I have recently seen. I hope someone can shed some light on this topic for me. I will do more research on it, but obviously there is only so much time, and i hoped that one of you have done the research already. Basically, in the video it quotes church Bishops that were directly linked to the apostles. It basically states that the early church taught salvation in 2 stages...1. Grace through Faith. (which is what we cling to) 2 After conversion it describes Eternal Security as conditional. He said the apostles didn't worry about their salvation, but taught that a person can walk away basically. I immediately thought to myself this guy is a…
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II Corinthians 5:17 says Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Within the past couple months at the church I am a member of has seen a few folks get saved and folks join the church. I praise the Lord for that. But something seems to be off. According to the verse above when we are in Christ old things are passed away and all things are become new. My old life is dead and buried and I'm given a new life in Christ. Why is there then for lack of a better word so many "worthless" Christians? "Christians" that would rather live like the world then live the more abundant life that they have b…
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I read a debate on another forum about salvation and "Lordship salvation." Just wondering if anyone could give me some clarity on these topics. John 3:16 says "...that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." Thus, all it takes for salvation is to BELIEVE. Repentance and good works are the fruit of a faithful Christian, but without them you are still a believer and still saved? Or is repentance ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY? I repent for my sins and do what I believe to be "good works" for my friends, family, church, community and witness, educate, etc. But is that necessary to salvation? Are grace (i.e. "saved by the grace of God) and faith…
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"Oops, I missed a step" Salvation. Romans 8:26-29 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. I was saved at the…
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The salvation of God is free to those who will do what is required to receive it.
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The Wonder of God’s Grace Luke 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. Luke 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better. In the above passage, Jesus was demonstrating the fact that Law and Grace CANNOT mix. The Old wine representing Law, the New representing Grace. The Old man, upon trusting Christ Jesus, becomes a New man. Grace (New Wine) is bestowed to the New man (New wineskins) 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he …
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Hi all, I was led to start a website to warn the lost that there is a real place called Hell. I don't profess to be the most technically savvy guy so it is not much but feel free to visit Hellisarealplace.com to look over. I would be interested in others opinions and suggestions for improvements. Thanks everyone- jebarr
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Christians usually agree that babies that die are taken to Heaven, ie, are "saved". The main scriptural example being when King David acknowledged that he would see his dead baby son again as recorded in 2 Samuel 12. So, considering the fact that all adults alive once must have saved babies, why do they then have to be saved again as adults....at what point in their development do babies become unsaved and then must be resaved as adults?, This is a difficult question, particularly in the light of scripture such as John 10 : 28 where eternal salvation is assured, once given, and never taken away. Comments please? "Study to shew thyself approved..." 2 Ti…
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As a Calvinist I hold to Lordship Salvation and was just reading and looking at scripture more in depth on the issue and can't figure how anyone can miss it. There are those that I believe to be false or under the influence of another gospel such as those in the Homosexual "christian" movement, the New Age movement, the Unitarian and United Methodist movements, and such. These people I believe to be false and on their way to hell. But among born again believers in a church that proclaims sound doctrine and holds to the essentials of the faith (both Calvinist and non Cal Churches) I can't say who is and who is not saved. Like a number of people on this board I will no…
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Can you be more clear on the authority of the deacon? 🤣🤣🤣 I don't worry about other churches since I have my own to deal with, but it does seem that some churches have lost the Biblical definition of a deacon. At least here in New England. -
By Pastor Scott Markle · Posted
It appears that Brother Mike and I would have a number of disagreements concerning "the flow of thought" throughout the Book of the Revelation. -
By Ukulelemike · Posted
None and none. If we did, and we may if we ever grow big enough, they will have no more power than anyone else in the church-the job of the deacons is to work to take burdens off the Pastor, so he can concentrate and labor in prayer and the word of God. They don't decide how the money is spent, what the pastor is paid, or what anyone else does. -
By Ukulelemike · Posted
Speaking as a guy who has his thoughts about it all, let me say this: We need to be careful saying anything with great certainty, on timing of the rapture, or the second coming, (except we know Christ will return 7 years from the start, but how we gauge the start is a question), or how exactly ew are to interpret the 3 sevens: the seals, the trumpets and the vials of wrath. Personally, I have viewed, for quite a while, the seals to be sort of a 'preview of coming attractions', as they appear to encompass a lot of events, start to finish, of the tribulation/wrath, yet it all takes place at the throne of God as john is standing in heaven, in the spirit. Then the seven trumpets I see as the general activities that Satan is allowed to do as he pours his fury out on earth, staring from the arrival of the Beast as a man of peace, followed by war, famine, death and hell, and so on. Of course, it is God who is allowing these things, but Satan conducting it. Then the seven vials of God's wrath are specifically exactly that: God's outpouring wrath upon mankind, though this takes place directly after Christ reaps his harvest, in Rev 14:14, because we are not appointed to wrath. But even this I read as being quite linear, and there are things in Revelation that do not appear to be linear, whether it is overall linear, with certain, what I would call, parenthetical events that aren't linear, or the whole things goes back and forth in time, in which case, it is hard to really say just how it will all play out. So I think we ought to study it, and pray over it, even speculate over it, but be careful setting definite doctrines of it all. Yes, Christ is coming, Yes, believers will be removed at some point, yes, Jesus is returning to rule and reign a thousand years, which I believe to be literal, Yes, there will be a final, literal battle at the end of the thousand years, and yes, heaven and Earth will pass away, and be replaced with a new Heaven and new Earth for all eternity. But many other things are just a bit vague. But I do love the conversations. -
By jeff_student_of_Jesus · Posted
Multitudes were taught erroneously that they would be saved from , or spared from, suffering if they became a 'Christian' in some gropus. From all KJV and history, including the last ten years, and last couple centuries, and last 2000 years, this is obviously not true testimony , not in line with Scripture at all, to tell them that they would not have to suffer or die for their faith in Jesus. Could you clarify for me what it is you want to find out more about ? It certainly has all be studied and studied and studied, and ten thousand times a thousand volumes written about so many points (maybe a slight exageration here, but it sure feels that way) .... and in the world system, as written, most of the many points of course are to keep peope from ever finding the truth or from even seeking for the truth and reality and Jesus. Thus, everything must be verified by Scripture, in Harmony with all of God's Word, Plan and Purpose as He Himself Reveals.
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