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I do not believe a person can "fall from grace" and lose salvation. However, can a person renounce the decision to follow Christ? I have known a few people who have done so. One experienced salvation, and lived like it for awhile. However, after a number of terrible events in his life, he walked away and renounced his belief in Christ, and now lives as an athiest.

Again, I am not talking about losing salvation due to a mere drifting away from faith or falling into sin. I am talking about a conscious decision to renounce Christ and their faith in him. What happens when people do this? Do they lose the salvation that they at one point in their lives accepted? If they renounce it, it is possible for this person to recover their faith?

Hebrews 6:4-6, "4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."

I have a few questions about this:

1. What does this verse mean by "fall away." At other places in the Bible, it is clear to me that merely backsliding or falling into sin, or becoming lazy in faith does not cause one to lose salvation. Does a person fall away when one consciously renounces their faith in their hearts, after having become enlightened and tasted the gift of salvation? I know Peter denied Christ, but that was a moment of weakness where I do not believe he renounced Christ in his heart. What is required for one to "Fall away?" In reconciling the doctorine of "once saved always saved" with my experience in watching people truly renouncing their faith, I tend to think this is what these verses are referring to. For the person who has "fallen away" has "crucified the Son of God afresh" and "put him to an open shame." this indicates a consiouce renouncemnt of faith. After receiving salvation, if a person walks away and renounces it, it will be impossible to renew them again unto repentence. In other words, a person does not lose salvation, they throw it away. They renounce it and walk away puting Jesus to an open shame. At that point, their heart becomes so hardened, that it is impossible for them to repent again.

2. If a person does "Fall away" as is meant in this verse, can they repent of their renouncement? Is this the unforgivable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit? After receiving the Holy Spirit in salvation, in renouncing one's faith in Christ, does that so reject the Holy Spirit that it is not forgivable, and that they will never gain be able to repent? That certainly seems to be what this verse is saying.

3. If the above explanation is true, then what does it take for one to renounce salvation? Must it be only in their hearts and minds? Must they make an open profession to someone or in public that they renounced it? At what point does shaky faith become a revocation of one's profession of faith?

The reason I ask is that I am sure we have all known people who accepted God's gift of salvation, who later renounced that gift. This seems to be at odds with my belief that once you accept the gift, you cannot lose it. However, I do not believe the two are at odds at all. To say you cannot lose salvation is vastly different than saying once can renounce salvation. saying one can lose salvation indicates that some external force can cause a person to stumble and fall from grace. The Bible is clear that no external force can do so or that no one can pluck you from the Father's hands. However, is it possible for a person to run out of the Father's hands of their own accord? Experience tells me yes, and seeing what I have seen people do and reading the passage in Hebrews, I think I have reconciled this in my mind.

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Once one is biblically saved the Holy Ghost seals them and indwells them and they are sons/daughters of God forever after.

Scripture has examples of those who appeared to be saved, acted saved and may have even thought they were saved, but their turning away was due to the fact they were never saved to begin with. None lost their salvation because they had never been saved to begin with.

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I do not believe a person can "fall from grace" and lose salvation. However, can a person renounce the decision to follow Christ? I have known a few people who have done so. One experienced salvation, and lived like it for awhile. However, after a number of terrible events in his life, he walked away and renounced his belief in Christ, and now lives as an athiest.

Again, I am not talking about losing salvation due to a mere drifting away from faith or falling into sin. I am talking about a conscious decision to renounce Christ and their faith in him. What happens when people do this? Do they lose the salvation that they at one point in their lives accepted? If they renounce it, it is possible for this person to recover their faith?

Hebrews 6:4-6, "4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."

I have a few questions about this:

1. What does this verse mean by "fall away." At other places in the Bible, it is clear to me that merely backsliding or falling into sin, or becoming lazy in faith does not cause one to lose salvation. Does a person fall away when one consciously renounces their faith in their hearts, after having become enlightened and tasted the gift of salvation? I know Peter denied Christ, but that was a moment of weakness where I do not believe he renounced Christ in his heart. What is required for one to "Fall away?" In reconciling the doctorine of "once saved always saved" with my experience in watching people truly renouncing their faith, I tend to think this is what these verses are referring to. For the person who has "fallen away" has "crucified the Son of God afresh" and "put him to an open shame." this indicates a consiouce renouncemnt of faith. After receiving salvation, if a person walks away and renounces it, it will be impossible to renew them again unto repentence. In other words, a person does not lose salvation, they throw it away. They renounce it and walk away puting Jesus to an open shame. At that point, their heart becomes so hardened, that it is impossible for them to repent again.

2. If a person does "Fall away" as is meant in this verse, can they repent of their renouncement? Is this the unforgivable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit? After receiving the Holy Spirit in salvation, in renouncing one's faith in Christ, does that so reject the Holy Spirit that it is not forgivable, and that they will never gain be able to repent? That certainly seems to be what this verse is saying.

3. If the above explanation is true, then what does it take for one to renounce salvation? Must it be only in their hearts and minds? Must they make an open profession to someone or in public that they renounced it? At what point does shaky faith become a revocation of one's profession of faith?

The reason I ask is that I am sure we have all known people who accepted God's gift of salvation, who later renounced that gift. This seems to be at odds with my belief that once you accept the gift, you cannot lose it. However, I do not believe the two are at odds at all. To say you cannot lose salvation is vastly different than saying once can renounce salvation. saying one can lose salvation indicates that some external force can cause a person to stumble and fall from grace. The Bible is clear that no external force can do so or that no one can pluck you from the Father's hands. However, is it possible for a person to run out of the Father's hands of their own accord? Experience tells me yes, and seeing what I have seen people do and reading the passage in Hebrews, I think I have reconciled this in my mind.


You are pretty much hitting the nail on the head. Let me be clear; the Bible does not teach once saved always saved. There are simply too many passages, including the ones you mentioned above, which contradict this belief. The question isn't whether something or someone can take your salvation from you for that is clearly not possible (John 10:27-29), but one can certainly decide to turn away from God. Study Acts 8:10ff and how Simon was saved and then "fell away." He was instructed that he must then repent. We see this in 1 John 1:9 when we are told that we must confess our sins.

For the record, the Bible clearly states that we can "fall from Grace" Gal 5:4.

As to the "unpardenable" sin, go back and study Matt 12. Jesus clearly explains what He is speaking of.

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Once one is biblically saved the Holy Ghost seals them and indwells them and they are sons/daughters of God forever after.

Scripture has examples of those who appeared to be saved, acted saved and may have even thought they were saved, but their turning away was due to the fact they were never saved to begin with. None lost their salvation because they had never been saved to begin with.


Do you believe that Simon the "scorcer" was saved? (Acts 8:10ff) Do you believe he was then lost?

If he was not saved then how do you explain that he did the exact same thing that the others there did? Acts 12 we are told taht they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, adn the anme of Jesus Christ (by your own view this is "all it takes" to be saved), they were baptized, both men and women." (they actually obeyed the Gospel). Verse 13 says that "Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip" (he did the same exact thing) If he was not saved, were the others?

What do we then read that he did? He sinned by trying to buy the ability to lay hands on and impart the miraculous abilities. What was Peter's response? He told him that "thy money persh with thee." Was he thus lost? IF not then what was Peter speaking of? Was Peter wrong in what he said?

Now, Peter told him to repent that he might be forgiven (vs 22). We are not told whether he ever did though he did ask Peter to pray for him.


How do you explain this John?

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Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

What did Simon believe? Obviously his heart was never changed - he was looking to add to his power of sorcery. Also these signs did not follow him (Mark 16) or he would not have tried to buy the power. Instead he was exposed as still being in the gall of bitterness, and [in] the bond of iniquity.

Note that he did not "renounce salvation" but was never saved. Act 8:21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

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They can denounce, that's for sure, yet they cannot lose their salvation.

You are on very dangerous ground, reassuring those who made a profession of faith & then deny Christ that they are eternally secure.

Hbr 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with [him]: if we deny [him], he also will deny us:

Are true born again believers in view here? I think not - they have tasted & rejected.

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You are pretty much hitting the nail on the head. Let me be clear; the Bible does not teach once saved always saved. There are simply too many passages, including the ones you mentioned above, which contradict this belief. The question isn't whether something or someone can take your salvation from you for that is clearly not possible (John 10:27-29), but one can certainly decide to turn away from God. Study Acts 8:10ff and how Simon was saved and then "fell away." He was instructed that he must then repent. We see this in 1 John 1:9 when we are told that we must confess our sins.

For the record, the Bible clearly states that we can "fall from Grace" Gal 5:4.

As to the "unpardenable" sin, go back and study Matt 12. Jesus clearly explains what He is speaking of.


Can someone please boot this poster off the board. They are no longer debating the scriptures, they are teaching this heresy as truth.

Thank you. Peace! Out............

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Once one is biblically saved the Holy Ghost seals them and indwells them and they are sons/daughters of God forever after.

Scripture has examples of those who appeared to be saved, acted saved and may have even thought they were saved, but their turning away was due to the fact they were never saved to begin with. None lost their salvation because they had never been saved to begin with.


THen what does this verse mean? Hebrews 6:4-6, "4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."


If one has become enlightened adn tasted of the heavenly git of salvation, and made partakers of the Holy Ghost, did they not have a salvation experience?

How do you know they were not saved to begin with? If one confesses with his mouth that Jesus is Lord, and places his faith in Christ, and beleives in his heard that God raised Jesus from the dead, they became "partakers of the Holy Ghost." If you say that they were never saved to begin with, that makes man the judge of salvatino, does it not?

I am not talking about people who drift away. I am talking about one, who after receiving the Holy Spirit and accepting Jesus Christ, consciously decides to reject him. This goes beyond a mere denial due to fear, etc. such as happened with Peter when he denied Christ. It is an outright rebelion a hardening of one's heart, and renouncing Christ. Perhaps that is what happened with Judas?

I am speaking of the person who is sold out for Christ, has devoted him or herself 100% to the cause of Christ, is producing fruit of the Spirit, and if you asked them, they are certain they are saved. Then, after a terrible event in their life, instead of relying on Christ, they renounce him and never again wants anything to do with Christ.

I am not certain you can say they were never saved. I have seen this happen where one day, people where sold out and if you asked anyone, that person would be the be the best example of a Christian. The after they renounce their faith and revoke their decision to follow Christ, they have a hard, bitter heart. Something happened in their life. I don't think I can write it off as, "Oh, they were never saved." That leaves one of two possibilities:

1. They were saved, and they still are, but they are just not living out their faith, or
2. They were saved, and once they renounced it, God hardened their heart.

If we are free to accept Christ, are we not then free to reject him later on and renounce and revoke that decision?

Simply saying that person was never saved is an easy answer on its face but does not explain the situation.

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You are on very dangerous ground, reassuring those who made a profession of faith & then deny Christ that they are eternally secure.

Hbr 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with [him]: if we deny [him], he also will deny us:

Are true born again believers in view here? I think not - they have tasted & rejected.


This is exactely my question and point. Is it possible for one to renounce salvation? If you answer is no, then it seems to me that you must accept Calvinism with their irresistable grace. If your answer is yes, then then you must further explore, what is the effect of that renunciation? Is that person no longer saved? Is it possible for that person to return after fully and completely renouncing salvation after having tasted of that wonderful gift? Hebrews seems to answer that in my mind.

In Hebrews, I think he is certainly speaking of true believer. The writer is writing to those "once enlightened, and having tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost." A person who is made a partaker of the Holy Ghost is saved. A person who has not been saved is not a partaker of the Holy Ghost. So if a believer then renounces thier salvation and puts Christ to an open shame, it is impossible for them to return. They are forever damned.

I think the application of this is of utmost importance. WHen people reject Christ after they have accepted him, it is always in connection with a terrible event, such as losing a child, being seriously hurt by the church, their child being molested, etc. It is so important for the church to be there and show people love and compassion during these times and to care for people going through very trying times...times that test the faith of people in a very profound and deep way. In those moments, it is easy for a believer to renounce Christ, erroneously believing that God has caused their suffering. It is important for us to be understanding through teh questioning, and be there to support them and guide them through their emotional healing. If we are not, then the person is more likely to rounounce Christ. There is a profound importance in being there for people in suffering and in need. Their faith may depend on it.

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If you can lose your salvation...that means you are keeping it by works. (Because if your works are "bad", i.e. rejecting Christ, then your WORKS kept or lost your salvation).

So to believe you can renounce salvation is to believe in works salvation. So the question is, do you believe in grace or works salvation? God says plainly in Ephesians, its NOT of works...if it was works, we could boast. God saved us by grace through faith, NOT of ourselves. If we can choose to keep or reject our salvation, then it is not God, but us doing it.

It is likely that anyone who can fully reject Christ was never saved to begin with. Those saved have the Holy Spirit inside to bear witness with their spirit and those who would then be an atheist surely do not have the Holy Spirit inside. First John has a lot to say about those who would claim to be saved but then not have the spirit of Christ for real.

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John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

I believe that means self also.

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John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

I believe that means self also.



Exactly. None of us is more powerful than God. Not accepting the idea that oneself can renounce Christ is not Calvinism. It is (the not accepting, I mean) a belief consistent with the scriptural teaching of eternal security (once we are saved, it is God's responsibility to keep us so, not ours). God never gave a caveat when He said the life He gives is eternal/everlasting. He never says "unless you renounce me." Now, to be honest, I have my doubts that someone who actually renounces Christ was ever saved. However, I do know that people get hurt and allow bitterness to creep in for various reasons, and they turn away from Christianity. That isn't actually renouncing Christ so much as it is renouncing those who represent Him.

The Bible tells us we are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. John 10:29 tells us NO MAN is able to pluck those who have turned to Christ out of the Father's hand. No man means no man. Including oneself.

Kita was right: if we can renounce our salvation, then we personally are responsible for maintaining it. And that would make it a salvation of works - based on ourselves. Salvation is a gift from God, with nothing we can do to keep ourselves saved.

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Exactly. None of us is more powerful than God. Not accepting the idea that oneself can renounce Christ is not Calvinism. It is (the not accepting, I mean) a belief consistent with the scriptural teaching of eternal security (once we are saved, it is God's responsibility to keep us so, not ours). God never gave a caveat when He said the life He gives is eternal/everlasting. He never says "unless you renounce me." Now, to be honest, I have my doubts that someone who actually renounces Christ was ever saved. However, I do know that people get hurt and allow bitterness to creep in for various reasons, and they turn away from Christianity. That isn't actually renouncing Christ so much as it is renouncing those who represent Him.

The Bible tells us we are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. John 10:29 tells us NO MAN is able to pluck those who have turned to Christ out of the Father's hand. No man means no man. Including oneself.

Kita was right: if we can renounce our salvation, then we personally are responsible for maintaining it. And that would make it a salvation of works - based on ourselves. Salvation is a gift from God, with nothing we can do to keep ourselves saved.


I understand what you are saying. However, that still does not explain that passage I quoted in Hebrews. If once cannot renounce salvation, what does this passage mean? It leaves me a bit confused if we say one cannot renounce salvation.

Also, in John 10:29, it says no man can pluck you from the Father's hand. That implies an external force applied to a person, such as Satan. I am not sure this applies to one's self saying you cannot renounce salvation. If that were included, it would have said, "No man can walk out of the Father's hands." I am not disagreeing with you, but I do not see how John 10:29 can be extended to apply to one's own decision.

As far as renouncing salvation implying that salvation is works ba. sed, I do not believe it is. No works can earn salvation. That is crystal clear. However, a man must respond to to the Father's call to accept the gift. Each person is free to chose to reject it. THe rich young ruler went away sad because he could not do what was asked of him upon receiving the call of Christ. What was required of him? Well, selling his possessions, giving to the poor and following the call of Christ. Those actions would not have saved him, but responding affirmativly to the call of Christ would have. THe grace God extends through Christ is where salvation is found, but it does take belief and a decision to follow Christ.

So, after making a decision, is it not possible for one to make the decision to throw out that gift of grace? Again, I am not arguing one way or another, just trying to reconcile the Scriptures on this. I still do not know what the Hebrews passage means if once cannot revoke his decision. However, when I read in the context of one being able to revoke his decision, then it makes perfect sense.

This is a difficult issue for me to reconcile in my mind as I read the scriptures on the issue.

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John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

I believe that means self also.



Exactly, yet many will take verses out of context in order to try and prove what they want the Bible to Teach.

And like what John stated, once the Holy Spirit has come to adobe in a person that person is sealed, and it has nothing to do with Calvinism.

And of course, if a person has never been saved they cannot renounce what they never had.

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I understand what you are saying. However, that still does not explain that passage I quoted in Hebrews. If once cannot renounce salvation, what does this passage mean? It leaves me a bit confused if we say one cannot renounce salvation.

Also, in John 10:29, it says no man can pluck you from the Father's hand. That implies an external force applied to a person, such as Satan. I am not sure this applies to one's self saying you cannot renounce salvation. If that were included, it would have said, "No man can walk out of the Father's hands." I am not disagreeing with you, but I do not see how John 10:29 can be extended to apply to one's own decision.

As far as renouncing salvation implying that salvation is works ba. sed, I do not believe it is. No works can earn salvation. That is crystal clear. However, a man must respond to to the Father's call to accept the gift. Each person is free to chose to reject it. THe rich young ruler went away sad because he could not do what was asked of him upon receiving the call of Christ. What was required of him? Well, selling his possessions, giving to the poor and following the call of Christ. Those actions would not have saved him, but responding affirmativly to the call of Christ would have. THe grace God extends through Christ is where salvation is found, but it does take belief and a decision to follow Christ.

So, after making a decision, is it not possible for one to make the decision to throw out that gift of grace? Again, I am not arguing one way or another, just trying to reconcile the Scriptures on this. I still do not know what the Hebrews passage means if once cannot revoke his decision. However, when I read in the context of one being able to revoke his decision, then it makes perfect sense.

This is a difficult issue for me to reconcile in my mind as I read the scriptures on the issue.

Kind, all scripture needs to dovetail together. And nowhere does God say that if one renounces Christ they lose their salvation. John 10:29 is an eternal security promise, just as John 3:16 is. Were a person to turn on God (and many do), they would grieve the Holy Spirit, wouldn't you say? Well, God tells us in Eph. 4:30 "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." That verse supports John 10:29 meaning that nobody, even oneself, can get out of God's hand. And, yes, it would be works based. Because it would be: get saved, but don't turn your back on God because then you'll no longer be saved and never have another opportunity. That is a person maintaining their own salvation, which is actually one of the tenets of works based salvation.

After making a decision for Christ, it is possible to backslide. And backslide horribly. But God promises that the new life He gives is eternal. He's the One Who crafted that life, and in His Word He assures us that it is everlasting. That means nobody can lose it - by choice or by chance.

I understand you're trying to reconcile scripture - that's something we all have to do, and this is a very important topic, actually. Check out this link - it shows two ideas on what the Hebrews passage you quoted could mean. http://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-6.html

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When we are born again we have everlasting life, HAVE, not "may have if we hold onto it". John tells us that we can KNOW we are saved. Once God seals us with the Holy Ghost upon salvation, we are sealed forever as His.

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I understand you're trying to reconcile scripture - that's something we all have to do, and this is a very important topic, actually. Check out this link - it shows two ideas on what the Hebrews passage you quoted could mean. http://www.gotquesti.../Hebrews-6.html

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Both suggestions are reasonable.

I consider however that we should put these verses in their historical context - to the Hebrews - Jews who were saved out of a nation that had rejected her Messiah, & the Apostles with their Gospel. The nation was now living out the sentence of destruction that would come on that generation.

The Jewish leaders had deliberately & wilfully rejected Jesus & his message from a position of clear revelation. Rather than repent, they had tried to silence God's messengers. They had seen the miracles of Jesus & the Apostles, & could not deny them. What hope was there?

Hebrews has earlier quoted Psalm 95, & comments: Hbr 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Hbr 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Hbr 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Note that it is the evil heart of unbelief that departs, not the believers who hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.

I think Hebrews is primarily concerned with learning from the national rejection of Christ - they saw all the wonders of Jesus' ministry & miracles. Dare we reject the testimony of his word - we who have experienced his salvation? God forbid! But if any of us do, then it can only be because we were never saved, but just associating with believers for a time, like Judas.

Jhn 5:24 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
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Jhn 5:33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
Jhn 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Jhn 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that [cometh] from God only?
Jhn 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.
Jhn 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Jhn 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

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I don't agree with all that Schofield says but I like this explanation:

1917 Scofield Reference Bible Notes
Heb 6:42 impossible
Margin: partakers2 impossible

Heb 6:4-8 presents the case of Jewish professed believers who halt short of faith in Christ after advancing to the very threshold of salvation, even "going along with" the Holy Spirit in His work of enlightenment and conviction. Joh 16:8-10. It is not said that they had faith. This supposed person is like the spies at Kadesh-barnea De 1:19-26 who saw the land and had the very fruit of it in their hands, and yet turned back.

Margin: partakers Gr. "metochous," going along with.

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I don't agree with all that Schofield says but I like this explanation:

1917 Scofield Reference Bible Notes
Heb 6:42 impossible
Margin: partakers2 impossible

Heb 6:4-8 presents the case of Jewish professed believers who halt short of faith in Christ after advancing to the very threshold of salvation, even "going along with" the Holy Spirit in His work of enlightenment and conviction. Joh 16:8-10. It is not said that they had faith. This supposed person is like the spies at Kadesh-barnea De 1:19-26 who saw the land and had the very fruit of it in their hands, and yet turned back.

Margin: partakers Gr. "metochous," going along with.

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Forgive me that that note is totally misleading and wrong. The spies at Kadesh were Jews in the Covenant of God and delivered from Egypt. They lost faith. They weren't almost Jews and almost those who were in the covenant! They were in! They were THE chosen people! But by not ENDURING TO THE END, like Christ taught, the lost out with God forever.

Notice also what Hebrews 6 does say:

4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened,
and have tasted of the heavenly gift,
and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5And have tasted the good word of God,
and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

That above list describes salvation and experiences with the Holy Spirit, His baptism and power. These people were enlightened--this is a reference to the new birth. They tasted THE heavenly gift. They didn't almost GET SAVED--they tasted and saw the Lord is good. They were made PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST! I am sorry, but unbelievers are not made such! This speaks of being filled with the Spirit and further it says they tasted the good word of God and the POWERS OF THE WORLD TO COME. What is this? Pentecostal power, the gifts of the Spirit, etc. You cannot find a more detailed outline of salvation experiences and Pentecostal experiences with the Spirit in the New Testament.

The Scofield note-writers simply cannot face the passage honestly because they are committed to a false doctrine that is especially made clear in the book of Hebrews. Edited by Faith1611

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Eternal Security



If a person asks Jesus to come into their heart and asks God to forgive their sins and tells others

that they have accepted Jesus as Lord because He died for their sins and rose from the grave,

that person is saved from going to hell when they die. But what happens if that person sins later

in life?


Rom 4:6-8

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. KJV

Once you are saved God imputes Jesus righteousness to you forever and will never impute or charge sin to you again.



Rom 7:19-20

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. KJV



Paul tells us that it is not you, the spirit, that sins but you the old nature and flesh, that is charged

with the sin.



1 Cor 15:50-54

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. KJV



1 Cor 3:10-15

10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. KJV

Notice in verse 15, that even if you lose all your rewards you yourself will go to heaven and not hell.

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Nope, once saved, always saved. I agree with John81, a lot of people pretend they got saved and are really good at it, but it does not mean they are saved, so they can't lose it to begin with.

I know someone who was even baptized, but just because they say they are and go through the acts of being a Christian that does not mean they are actually saved. That is why Jesus said many will come to me, saying haven't I done this and this and He will respond, "Depart, I know you not!" He knows who are His from the second they begin to pray.

For someone to go from being saved to an atheist does not say much for their salvation to begin with, but only God knows if he was sincere in accepting him before he walked away from Him. If he was sincere when he got saved he will be in heaven.

Deep down they are angry, frustrated, and bitter, they blame God for their lives being a mess or whatever it is, but I tell you what when it all comes down to it, they will be thanking God for not casting them out like they cast Him out.

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Eric E Stahl "Notice in verse 1 Cor 3:15, that even if you lose all your rewards you yourself will go to heaven and not hell."



Nope, once saved, always saved. I agree with John81, a lot of people pretend they got saved and are really good at it, but it does not mean they are saved, so they can't lose it to begin with.

I know someone who was even baptized, but just because they say they are and go through the acts of being a Christian that does not mean they are actually saved. That is why Jesus said many will come to me, saying haven't I done this and this and He will respond, "Depart, I know you not!" He knows who are His from the second they begin to pray..

For someone to go from being saved to an atheist does not say much for their salvation to begin with, but only God knows if he was sincere in accepting him before he walked away from Him. If he was sincere when he got saved he will be in heaven.


Deep down they are angry, frustrated, and bitter, they blame God for their lives being a mess or whatever it is, but I tell you what when it all comes down to it, they will be thanking God for not casting them out like they cast Him out.



I agree that you can't lose your salvation. Your post after mine seemed to indicate you thought I thought you could be lost. Edited by Eric Stahl

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Howdy all!

I find it noteworthy that in some denominations, they dismiss 'eternal life' and 'everlasting life' and teach a Christian can not get to heaven if they sin after they are saved, without scripture in the church letters that back up such a claim. Nothing personal towards anyone, but many Pentecostal and Catholic denominations teach this.

Other Christians are taught you can get saved, but then if the person walks poorly, they say the person wasn't really saved, though there is no scripture in the church epistles to support this viewpoint.

Still others say Simon wasn't really saved, though scripture clearly says he believed.

It is a shame people will not to believe the Word, rather than preconceived notions.

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