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    Saved in 3 tenses?

    Indeed, 1 John 2:18-23 declares, "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also." First, there is no indication herein that these individuals departed from the FAITH. Rather, there is only an indication that they departed from the CONGREGATION of believers. Second, this passage reveals that they departed from the congregation of believers specifically because they had never been a true part of that congregation through faith. These "departers" were antichrists, who denied that "Jesus is the Christ." As such, they were NEVER believers in Christ, and thereby NEVER had a saving relationship with the Son or the Father. In fact, they were NEVER in the faith itself at all. Being in the congregation of believers has to do with one's relationship to the believers, and believers CAN be fooled for a time. However, being in the faith has to do with one's relation to God the Son and God the Father, and they can NEVER be fooled. These antichrists were indeed in the congregation of believers, but they were NEVER in the faith. They did indeed depart from the congregation of believers; but they NEVER departed from the faith because they were NEVER in the faith to begin with. Ok, I had a few moments for a quick post. I intend to deal with the question concerning believers departing from the faith and the question concerning a seared conscience in a future posting.
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    Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Yes, in verse 8 the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking is grouped with the spiritual gifts of prophecies and of knowledge. However, the manner of cessation for the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking is expressed differently from the manner of cessation for the spiritual gifts of prophecies and of knowledge, for which two spiritual gifts the manner of cessation is expressed precisely the same. For this very reason, as I have expressed above, I disagree that the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking is to be viewed as being in the category of revelatory gifts. From my perspective, the argument given in the quotation above only considers a partial picture, not the whole picture. Thus I remain with the position that the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking is to be viewed within the category of the sign gifts, as per Mark 16:17-18. On the other hand, the rest of the thoughts in the article above are worthy of some consideration.
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    Saved in 3 tenses?

    Indeed, Sister Rose, I have intended to respond; but I am being pulled in too many different directions at once at the moment.
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    Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Then you will understand my position that 1 Corinthians 13:8 includes the one statement of this passage concerning the cessation of the SIGN gifts (as per their representation through the gift of tongue-speaking), and that the majority of 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 actually deals with the cessation of the REVELATORY gifts (as per their representation through the gifts of prophecies and of knowledge). With this in mind, it would be my position as per 1 Corinthians 13:8 that the SIGN gifts have already ceased (probably near the end of the first century) because their purpose to confirm the word of the gospel message had ceased. Inspired Scripture itself is a more sure word than miracles (sign gifts); therefore, the sign gifts would no longer be necessary for the confirmation of the gospel after the inspired Scriptures were complete. (Consider the teaching of 1 Peter 1:16-21 & Luke 16:27-31.)
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    Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Well, I was unable to complete this posting by yesterday afternoon, or even by yesterday evening. However, here it is . . . Concerning 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 – Answering Questions from Verse 8 1. Are the spiritual gifts of prophecies and of knowledge intended as a different category of spiritual gift from the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking? I would contend that the spiritual gifts of prophecies and of knowledge are to be viewed as representing a DIFFERENT category of spiritual gifts from the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking. I come to this conclusion based upon the difference in grammatical presentation concerning the cessation of these spiritual gifts. As I have noted in an earlier posting (A Grammatical Consideration), the Greek verb that is translated by the phrase, “Whether there be prophecies, they shall fail,” and also by the phrase, “Whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away,” is the same Greek verb in the same verb tense and the same verb voice, with both cases being translated from the Greek verb “καταργέω” (“katargeo,” Strong’s #2673) in the future tense and the passive voice. However, the Greek verb that is translated by the phrase, “Whether there be tongues, they shall cease,” is a different Greek verb in the same verb tense, but a different verb voice than the other two cases, with this case being translated from the Greek verb “παύω” (“pauo,” Strong’s #3973) in the future tense and in the Greek middle voice. By means of this grammatical difference, we learn that the spiritual gifts of prophecies and of knowledge would come to cessation through a DIFFERENT manner than the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking. On the one hand, the spiritual gifts of prophecies and of knowledge would be made completely idle, useless, inoperative by some outside force, with 1 Corinthians 13:9-10 revealing that this will occur when “that which is perfect” replaces them with a more perfect operation. On the other hand, the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking would simply cease all on its own, not because it would be replaced by something else, but simply because its reason for usefulness would cease to exist, as if the Lord God built into the gift of tongue-speaking an expiration date, after which the gift of tongue-speaking would no longer be viable. Even so, this difference in the manner of their cessation moves me to conclude that the spiritual gifts of prophecies and of knowledge are a different category of spiritual gift from the spiritual gift of tongue speaking. So then, what are these two different categories of spiritual gifts? I would contend that the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking should be viewed in the category of sign gifts. I come to this conclusion based upon the statement of our Lord Jesus Christ in Mark 16:17-18 – “And these signs shall follow them that believe; in my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” Herein our Lord mentions signs that would follow believers, and then lists a series of different possible signs. I would contend that this passage reveals the list of sign gifts, as follows: (1) the gift of devil-casting; (2) the gift of tongue-speaking; (3) the gift of miracles; (4) the gift of healing. On the other hand, I would contend that the spiritual gifts of prophecies and of knowledge should be viewed in the category of revelatory gifts (gifts by which God’s truth is directly revealed from God to man). I come to this conclusion through the apostle Paul’s illustration concerning these gifts in 1 Corinthians 13:11. Therein he indicates that the shift from childhood to adulthood illustrates the shift from the operation of the spiritual gifts of prophecies and of knowledge to the coming and operation of “that which is perfect.” Yet his illustration includes something more. It includes the idea that this shift involves the difference between the thinking, understanding, and speaking of childhood in relation to the thinking, understanding, and speaking of adulthood. Even so, I am moved to view the spiritual gifts of prophecies and of knowledge as involving the operation of spiritual thinking, understanding, and speaking, and thus to conclude that these spiritual gifts deal with the revelation and communication of God’s truth. This might then raise the question concerning what other spiritual gifts might be in the category of revelatory gifts. At this point in my study on spiritual gifts (which could be a bit more thorough than it presently is), I would also place the spiritual gift of apostleship (as per 1 Corinthians 12:28) in this category. 2. Are these spiritual gifts intended simply to stand for themselves alone, or are they intended to represent the entire category of spiritual gifts in which they might be classified? I would suggest that these spiritual gifts are intended to represent the entire category of spiritual gifts in which they might be classified. As such, I would suggest that the principle of cessation that is herein presented concerning the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking would apply unto ALL of the spiritual gifts within the category of sign gifts. Furthermore, I would suggest that the principle of cessation that is herein presented concerning the spiritual gifts of prophecies and of knowledge would apply unto all of the spiritual gifts within the category of revelatory gifts. I come to this conclusion based upon the reason for the cessation in each respective case. As we have learned, the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking (in the category of sign gifts) would cease of its own accord simply because its reason for usefulness would cease to exist. So then, what is the purpose (the reason for usefulness) for the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking? Concerning all of the sign gifts, Mark 16:19-20 appears to give the answer, saying, “So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.” The purpose for all of these sign gifts, including the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking, was to “confirm the word” that they preached. In this immediate context as per Mark 16:15, the specific word that they were to preach was the gospel. Thus the purpose for the sign gifts, including the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking, was to confirm the word of the gospel message itself. Even so, when the Lord God deemed that such a confirmation of the gospel message before the world was no longer necessary, the purpose for the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking would cease to exist; and then the spiritual gift itself would no longer be viable. This means that after this time the Holy Spirit would not grant or empower this spiritual gift. In fact, since this same purpose (reason for usefulness) encompasses all of the sign gifts, I would suggest that this same principle of cessation would also encompass all of sign gifts. In like manner, I would suggest that the principle of cessation that is given for the spiritual gifts of prophecies and of knowledge would also encompass any other spiritual gift that might be classified under the category of the revelatory gifts. As we have learned, this principle of cessation is different from the principle of cessation for the sign gifts. Indeed, this principle of cessation is not that of natural cessation when the reason for usefulness ceases to exist. Rather, this principle of cessation is that of replacement by “that which is perfect,” because “that which is perfect” will accomplish a more perfect operation of their purpose. The purpose (reason for usefulness) of the revelatory gifts will not cease, but something “which is perfect” would come forth that could fulfill this purpose more perfectly than the revelatory gifts themselves could accomplish. So then, what is the purpose for the revelatory gifts? According to the apostle Paul’s illustration in 1 Corinthians 13:11, I would contend that their purpose was to guide believers in the thinking, understanding, and proclamation of God’s truth with spiritual accuracy. Even so, 3. How is the spiritual gift of prophecies to be Biblically defined? There is some dispute concerning this definition, and the most precise definition would require a very thorough study of how the New Testament handles the matter of prophets and prophecy. Yet I would suggest that the spiritual gift of prophecies should be defined as the reception of direct revelation from God for the purpose of proclamation unto men. 4. How is the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking to be Biblically defined? I would suggest the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking should be defined as the miraculous ability to speak a real (human), foreign language without previous education in that language. 5. How is the spiritual gift of knowledge to be Biblically defined? Since this spiritual gift is referenced so little in the New Testament, discerning a definition for it is somewhat difficult. Yet I would suggest that the spiritual gift of knowledge should be defined as a supernatural understanding of spiritual truths for the purpose of explanation unto men. 6. What is the reason of usefulness for the spiritual gift of tongue-speaking that shall cease to be necessary, whereby the spiritual gift itself would cease to be viable? I have provided my thoughts concerning the answer to this question as I answered question #2 above.
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    Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Brother Kurecki, I certainly agree that 1 Corinthians 13:12 is the verse that makes the passage so "complicated." After lunch I will see what I can do with sending forth the next posting. Praise the Lord for your personal efforts of study. My comment was not intended as a rebuke, but only as a reminder. Never quit being diligent in your own Bible study.
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    Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Sorry, Brother Kurecki, I have been traveling a bit over the last few weeks; and the rest of my time has been quite ministry and family busy. I will try to get another posting out this afternoon; but likely it will only cover the questions from 1 Corinthians 13:8, as per my posting above. On the other hand, (without seeking to be "abrasive") maybe the Lord intended for you to focus upon your own study of the passage in order to teach the class, rather than to depend overmuch upon me. Certainly I am willing to be of help, but ever remember the need for personal study. In any case, let me see what I can do this afternoon.
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    Saved in 3 tenses?

    Absolutely, AMEN!!!! Big mistakes in contextual understanding and Biblical doctrine are made when we just make that assumption.
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    Saved in 3 tenses?

    Brother Wayne, I agree with your intended point. However, to be more precise - The meaning of the word "saved" is not really different, since it ever means "to be delivered from something;" but the intended application can be quite different from context to context. Certainly worthy of consideration in any given Biblical context.
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    Kingdom of Heaven vs Kingdom of God

    I hold that the phrases are interchangeable.
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    Giving the Gospel / Are YOU Ashamed of Christ?

    To whom it may concern, Although I myself have on this site in the past had (what some might call - significant) conflict with Ronda concerning certain points of doctrine, I HIGHLY COMMEND HER SPIRITUAL CHARACTER ON THE GIVEN POINT OF BROTHER ALAN'S POSTING!!!!!!
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    Saved in 3 tenses?

    Sister Rose, I believe that the "salvation" of 1 Timothy 4:16 refers to the daily deliverance (saving) of the soul from doctrinal compromise and sinful corruption. 1 Timothy 4:1-3 is one among a number of passages in 1 Timothy wherein the apostle warned Timothy concerning the matter of false doctrine and those who were following thereafter: 1 Timothy 1:3-7 -- "As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: from which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm." 1 Timothy 1:18-20 -- "This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare; holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme." 1 Timothy 4:1-3 -- "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." 1 Timothy 4:7 -- "But refuse profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness." 1 Timothy 6:3-5 -- "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself." 1 Timothy 6:20-21 -- "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen." As I consider all of these passages together, I come to the conclusion that the apostle was speaking primarily about genuine believers who had gone astray into false doctrine.
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    Salvation After Rapture

    To whom it may concern, I myself hold that 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 applies to the mid-point of the seven year tribulation, not to the beginning-point, and that it applies unto ALL unbelievers at that time without any exceptions.
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    Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Pondering on 1 Corinthians 13:9-10, I thought of an additional question that should be added to the list of questions, as follows: Is this speaking concerning the spiritual gifts of prophecies and of knowledge in the context of all ages, or only in the context of the church age? I have edited my posting above to include this additional question.
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    Saved in 3 tenses?

    Sister Rose, I myself believe that Mark 8:34-38 (as well as the similar passages in the other gospels) is a discipleship/fellowship passage, and that the ides of losing one's own soul is a Biblical reference unto the "soulish" death that I mentioned above. Sister, to this point in our conversation, I do not believe that you have any reason to make apology to me. I am not at all bothered by a multitude of questions, as long as I am able to find the time necessary to answer them. Patience with my time restrictions is all that I request, and thus far you have granted that. Furthermore, I do not believe that anywhere throughout this thread discussion with me thus far you have come across as wanting to debate or as being difficult. I have only perceived you as being uncertain in your own mind on some things, and therefore as having many internal questions that need relief. Answering such needs is (I believe) one of the reasons that the Lord our God has made me the way that He has and has placed me upon this earth.
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