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  1. 5 points
    I love the way you mischaracterise the literal interpreter so that you can then discredit them. That is what is called a "Straw man argument". The literal interpreter takes the literal interpretation unless there is a reason to take it otherwise. The reason could be a literary mechanism, such as when the Bible uses the term "like", which indicates that something is not the literal stated item but is "like" it. Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: Not an actual dove, but "like a dove". Or it might be where the context clearly indicates a literal interpretation is not intended. Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Jesus was not saying the Pharisees and Saducees were actually descended from snakes....... The ones leaning to their own understanding are the symbolisers. They decide what the symbols mean based on nothing more than their desires to find a particular interpretation or doctrine. Of course there are some literalists who do the same, but the safest way is to let the Bible tell us clearly what is literal and what is symbolic, and that lies with the literal interpretation. The point is that the literalist will accept symbolic meaning not at a whim as you suggest, but when it is clearly indicated, and will them interpret that symbol within the context of the passage. The symboliser takes whatever he wants as symbolic when it fits his purpose and then interprets it to mean what fits best with his doctrine. One is clearly not relying on the words of the Bible to define symbolic and literal.
  2. 5 points
    weary warrior

    Starting Again

    We had a NY's fellowship last night here at the church, with games and finger food planned. Well, instead of just the core 10 church members showing up, 34 people arrived. People I had never met before. Including about 10 teenagers from town who are totally unchurched and unsaved. I spent the entire evening policing. Don't get me wrong, everyone had a great time, although the carpet in the fellowship hall may never recover. When everything was done, and all were gone, I found myself upstairs in my office at about 12:30am this morning praying. There had been no preaching, no evangelism, no "church". I had no plan or desire to provide a teen shelter, I'm not interested in intertainment or compromising for numbers. This was soooo outside of my comfort zone and realm of experience. As I prayed, trembling at my desk before God, fearful that I had somehow, unwittingly begun a path that would ultimately weaken and cheapen the church and the gospel, I was compelled to randomly flip open my Bible that was laying there in front of me. It fell open to Hosea 6:6, "I will have mercy and not sacrifice..." The Spirit gave me great comfort as I sat there in that chair, assuring me that these lost, cussing, promiscuous kids (and adults) need to be loved too, and that it's not their job to come to where we are, it's our job to go into the gutter and meet them where they are. With mercy. So yeah, the carpet downstairs may never recover. Words were said in the church building that ought not be said anywhere (yes, they were gently corrected). Public displays of affection were ended with a word and a look by me, teens were run back inside from the dark parkinglot and I ended the night a nervous wreck. A joyful, amazed, exhausted nervous wreck. (Kids are not my thing) A number of people have said they will difinitely be in church Sunday because of last night, a service which is held upstairs, which does produce the truth and gospel without reserve, without compromise. So, in the end, I left my study fully at peace, went to bed and slept like an exhausted baby.
  3. 5 points
    Ah, but this report is wherein the incorrect estimation lies. Actually, some Christians have Christmas trees "in spite of Jeremiah 10" because they do NOT believe that Jeremiah 10:1-16 is talking about Christmas trees, but that it is talking about idols formed and carved from trees. They are not seeking to stand in stubborn disobedience against the Lord. Rather, they simply do not believe that this passage at all reveals our Lord's viewpoint concerning Christmas trees, but only His viewpoint concerning idols. They believe this because of the statements made throughout the WHOLE context of Jeremiah 10:1-16 -- "Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They [the heathen people] deck it with silver and with gold; they [the heathen people] fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They [the things made from the trees, decked with silver and gold] are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they [the things made from the trees, decked with silver and gold] must needs be borne, because they [the things made from the trees, decked with silver and gold] cannot go. Be not afraid of them [the things made from the trees, decked with silver and gold]; for they [the things made from the trees, decked with silver and gold] cannot do evil, neither also is it in them [the things made from the trees, decked with silver and gold] to do good. Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee. But they [the heathen people] are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock [the thing made from the tree, decked with silver and gold] is a doctrine of vanities. Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their [the things made from the trees] clothing: they [the things made from the trees] are all the work of cunning men. But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens. He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures. Every man is brutish in his knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them [in the graven image made from the tree]. They are vanity, and the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish. The portion of Jacob is not like them: for he is the former of all things; and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: The LORD of hosts is his name." Take notice of the word "vain" in verse 3, the word "vanities" in verse 8, and the word "vanity" in verse 15, which all help to tie this entire context together. Certainly, I agree that there is much hypocrisy within the Fundamentalist movement; and it grieves my heart deeply. (Although it is also likely that there is yet such hypocrisy within my own heart to which I remain blind.) However, when we Biblically assess the position of others on a matter, it behooves us to do so with as precise accuracy as possible. (There, I have finally contributed to this thread discussion.)
  4. 4 points
    DaveW

    Happy Australia Day

    Happy Australia Day everyone! 26th January 1788 is the day the First Fleet arrived at Sydney Cove. 11 ships 1400 people, and an evangelical preacher called Richard Johnson, who brought with him 4200 bibles. He preached from Psalm 116: 12, 13 12 What shall I render unto the LORD for all his benefits toward me? 13 I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD. The first Christian message preached on Australian shores was from this passage, by a man who refused to preach good works (when ordered by the governor), instead preaching of salvation by grace through faith.
  5. 4 points
    Well, since you haven't been around, then I can only assume that you aren't familiar with Totoosart nor his background. I warned HIM...with a level of warning that I felt HE should hear and would benefit from. There was enough information given in my warning that it should give enough reason for others (who aren't HIM) to seek more information if they are unfamiliar with John Ogwyn or "Tomorrow's World". ...just like you did.
  6. 4 points
    DaveW

    Away for anniversary

    The Lord provided for us and I was able to take my wife away for our 31st anniversary- not "away - away", just to the south-west of our state (about 200km away from home), to stay in a little cabin in the bush for a few days. Anyway, one of the things we did was to find a popular off-road track down here called Three Bears. We have a 1985 Toyota Landcruiser - it is not new, but it is in good condition, and they are a capable truck. Anyway, we got a little video of the track. 31 years married and she still comes 4x4ing with me (on the rare occasion we get to go.) I hope you enjoy this few minutes as much as we enjoyed the hour of track work. a888c6703cca18dec3123e60981cca03.0.mp4
  7. 4 points
    Rebecca

    Music help?

    I'd like to add a suggestion. At the church I attended during Bible college, occasionally the song leader would bring out an interesting fact about the hymn we were about to sing, whether about the song itself or the author of the song. It really helps with the understanding or appreciation of the hymn. It would take some effort on your part to do some research about one of the hymns, but if you do this than the folks who know nothing about the hymns will grow in their understanding and appreciation of why we sing the traditional hymns. It's not something you need to do for every song and not needed every service, but just once in awhile bring something interesting out about what you are singing. Nothing more than a minute or two of talking, especially if you just had the people stand for the song! I would also like to encourage you not to worry about whether or not you have a singing talent. Just keep up what you are doing and some day God will lead someone to help lead the singing. With the way the church is growing, it's possible God has already put this on someone's heart, they just might not be ready yet.
  8. 4 points
    Invicta

    Ethiopia

    Our Pastor is going to Ethiopia on Wednesday to support an Ethiopian friend Pastor xxxxx who has a church about 100 km (abt 63 miles) from Addis Ababa. Pastor xxxxx has had at least two attempts on his life and been threatened many times. We are praying for the Gospel that our pastor will preach and for the safety of both pastors. Pastor is also going to the midlands here on Monday, to preach at a funeral of his former boss who was not a believer. He accepted as long as the family knew that he would preach a message from the bible.
  9. 4 points
    DaveW

    Fires in Austrailia

    Just an update. There are people worldwide who are blaming the recent and current bushfires on "climate change". As I have already mentioned, fires such as these (this scale) are not common, but also not unprecedented. Twice in the last 40 years we have seen fires similar to this. I don't know if it is being reported, but over the last 2 - 4 weeks there have over 180 arrests of arsonists related to the recent and current bushfires. This is unprecedented. We do have fire bugs of course, but a bad year would be 30 arrests through the nation over the entire summer. 180+ is astoundingly out of proportion. I am not really one for conspiracies, but with all the protests about climate change shouting about the fires, and all the accusations against our PM, along with a hugely disproportionate number of deliberately lit fires........ well, it all just seems a little bit...... coincidental. But is it really possible that people would risk causing death and horrendous damage to property, just for political gain, and to advance the "environmentalist agenda"?
  10. 4 points
    DaveW

    Fires in Austrailia

    Ok then - a few bits about this. The article is referencing the fires on the East coast - I am on the West Coast. That means that those fires are not affecting me. However, there are extensive fires along the east coast and in fact all over Australia. Every State and Territory is suffering fires at the moment. But it is summer in Australia, and we ALWAYS have fires in summer. These are worse than recent years, but really only because the last several years have been relatively mild. The stuff about our Prime Minister is political fluff from his opponents. The PM is not responsible for the fires and cannot do anything about them. The fire services are State controlled, not federal. But for context - Western Australia (where I am), currently has 40+ Bush fires raging through the state, including one that has cut the main transport route between the east coast and the west coast. But the majority of these fires are in unpopulated areas, and so there is almost no news on the WC fires situation. On the East coast, the population is far greater, and spread wider in the country, so many smaller country towns are suffering. The suffering is widespread and real, but not extremely unusual. The problem is that the progressive political parties have managed to stop all sorts of management of bushland areas (like cool weather burning of bush areas, cattle grazing of bush areas), and now they are blaming our (conservative) PM for the results of their own policies. We have had two bushfires within 3 miles (5km) of our house, but in WA most houses are built with a construction that makes fires less of a threat. Double brick walls, tin or tiled rooves, and not generally right against bushland. Remember that I put up a photo of our fire danger signs? They start at "low moderate" and the second level is "high" which is every day from spring through autumn that it isn't raining. We currently have a total fire ban - if you go into the bush you cannot light any campfire, and can only cook with a controlled, contained bbq flame. You cannot drive through bushland off the well defined tracks for fear that your exhaust may light scrub. No harvesters can be moved through fields. No welding, grinding, or anything else that could throw sparks. And those are normal summer restrictions. In short - the bush fires are worse than the last few years, but we always have them.
  11. 3 points
    This was a national debate over here not so long ago. Bread or roll....... For the record, I prefer a snag angled from corner to corner of a square piece of bread, topped with fried onion, and drizzled in tomato sauce, then fold the bread around it all. But if I get given a bun, I am gracious enough to consume it without grumbling. And I am serious about it being a national debate - news stories, stations taking votes of their viewers/listeners, even the politicians getting involved. But everyone knew it was just for fun. Mostly. Sorta.
  12. 3 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Eternal Security vs O.S.A.S

    In one post you say "Eternal life does NOT depend on works." And in a post directly before it you say: "As i have stated if we are faithful, committed to serving our Lord, trying to obey and do what is right, we have no fear. " This is works for salvation if we have to DO anything. So which is it, works or no works?
  13. 3 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Eternal Security vs O.S.A.S

    Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. It's not my salvation to lose. The deal (covenant) was made in eternity past between God The Father and God The Son. The ONLY part I have in Salvation is accepting it. Once I accept it there is no provision in God's Word to un-accept it, or discard it.
  14. 3 points
    John Young

    Eternal Security vs O.S.A.S

    If you could "lose" or CHOSE TO LEAVE eternal Salvation then an all knowing God would have never given it to you in the first place. Ephesians 1:4 according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
  15. 3 points
    DaveW

    Eternal Security vs O.S.A.S

    Answer a few questions for me please: 1. What names does God use for "Salvation life"? (I will give you these ones) There are two main ones: Everlasting life, and Eternal life. 2. If something is everlasting, what does that mean exactly? 3. If something is eternal, what does that means exactly? 4. If something can end, was it EVER everlasting? 5. If something can end, was it EVER eternal? With all the verse arguments that go on, sometimes people forget the simple facts. God, not men, calls Salvation life both everlasting and eternal. These names can only properly be used to refer to something that was, is, and always be eternal or everlasting. If God says something is eternal, and then it ends - for any reason whatsoever - then that makes God a liar. If God says something is everlasting, and then it ends - for any reason whatsoever - then that makes God a liar. Now remember, these are not my names for salvation life, but God's names. So one last question: Why would God use terms that indicate that salvation life is both eternal and everlasting, if that salvation life can be lost in way for any reason? He would be lying in His use of those terms. I know I haven't quoted any verses "Proving" you can't lose your salvation, but you all the verses I am talking about: Mat 25:46 (46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Mar 10:30 (30) But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. Joh 3:15 (15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Joh 3:16 (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Joh 3:36 (36) He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Joh 4:36 (36) And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. Joh 5:24 (24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Joh 5:39 (39) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Joh 6:27 (27) Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. I could of course go on, but you get the idea. And of course I know this is a really simplistic argument, but if it is so simple, then it should be a breeze to answer - but no one has ever explained it away to me. Eternal and everlasting are God's names for salvation life, and if salvation can be lost, then it is not everlasting nor eternal and NEVER WAS.
  16. 3 points
    BALONEY! Please allow me to LEEK a little iinformation for you. The last THYME that I MUSTARD enough energy to KETCHUP on important things in life, it was needful, because I had been working 12-16 hours a day...7 days a week...for several years. I had to STEW over my predicament for quite some time afterward. I was tired, and my countenance was PASTE-like. LETTUCE move beyond this. Perhaps we can learn to SQUASH our differences, and STEAK a claim; in that, to KETCHUP or not to KETCHUP...there is no question. We all must KETCHUP on some things at some point. Posted with love, respect, and admiration to my brothers and sisters of Online Baptist. If I could give you each a FLOUR, I would. Respectfully, NN
  17. 3 points
    Alan

    Fruit in the Life of Joseph

    Genesis 41: 47-53, “Fruit in the Life of Joseph” “And in the seven plenteous years the earth brought forth by handfuls. And he gathered up all the food of the seven years, which were in the land of Egypt, and laid up the food in the cities: the food of the field, which was round about every city, laid he up in the same. And Joseph gathered corn as the sand of the sea, very much, until he left numbering; for it was without number. And unto Joseph were born two sons before the years of famine came, which Asenath the daughter of Potipherah the priest of On bare unto him. And Joseph called the name of the firstborn Manasseh: For God, said he, hath made me forget all my toil, and all my father’s house. And the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction. And the seven years of plenteousness, that was in the land of Egypt, were ended.” Genesis 41:47-53 As God warned Pharaoh, in Genesis 41:1-8, in two frightening dreams, which the magicians and wise men could not correctly interpret, that a severe famine was coming, and how Joseph correctly interpreted the two dreams, the two dreams of Pharaoh start to happen. For seven years the earth brought plenty of food exactly how Joseph correctly interpreted the two dreams. As we read the Bible we must remember that every word, of every prophecy, will come to pass, whether or not the wise men of this world correctly understand it, and that the man of God, who correctly interprets the scripture, will be rewarded in the end. For seven years, exactly as Joseph had prophesied, the land of Egypt brought forth the fruit of the ground in so much abundance that Joseph stopped numbering the quantity that he had stored up. God is one who causes the land to bear fruit as He so decrees it. Like the ant, Joseph stored up food, as God led him, during the time of plenty, in preparation for the time of want. “The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer.” Proverbs 30:25. Could it be that during the time of his confinement that Joseph studied, by observation, nature, and learned how to lead men? Joseph, a Jew, due to the envy of his brethren, was rejected, temporarily, by his own people, had a Gentile bride, and bore fruit. The Lord Jesus, a Jew, due to the envy of His brethren, was rejected, temporarily, by His own people, has a Gentile bride, and bears fruit. John 1:10-12, “He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.” Romans 11:11, “I say then, Have they [the Jews] stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them [the Jews] to jealousy.” Ephesians 5:23-25, “For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it.” God is using the life of Joseph, a type of Christ, to give us, Gentiles in the church, because of His love and promises towards the Jews, a clear picture of what He is going to do with His chosen people in the last days. Like Joseph, the Lord Jesus, loves His brethren and, like Joseph, will reconcile Himself to them in the last days The first son, Manasseh, means that God caused Joseph to forget his toil and His father's house. I think this meaning can help us. The Lord Jesus can help us in our troubles. The second son, Ephraim, means that God caused him to be fruitful. I think that this meaning can help us also. The Lord Jesus can help us be fruitful in our toils of life. It is obvious that Joseph believed that God caused the hardship and the blessings. We need to remember that. In this life God will give us hardship and blessings. Job 1:21, “And said, Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return hither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.” In Josephs era, and in our era, this world is full of temptations of the flesh, heartache, anxiety, distress, and times of unjust actions from others. We need to reminded of the words of Paul the apostle in order to encourage us in our time of toils, hardships, anxieties, and distress. “There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.” 1 Corinthians 10:13 With a wife, Asenath the daughter of Potipherah, God is starting the family of Joseph and eventually the tribe of Ephraim, and Manasseh. Proverbs 20:7 “The just man walketh in his integrity: his children are blessed after him.” The integrity of Joseph, as with the integrity of Job, has wonderful fruit. God is starting to abundantly bless Joseph for his life of integrity and his close walk with God. Throughout the story of the life of Joseph we can see the results of the fruit of the Spirit. Joseph is an example for every believer who will decide to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh. Galatians 5:22-23 & 25, “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law… If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.” At this juncture we need to consider the part of the prophecy of Zechariah in Zechariah 10:5-10. Zechariah 10:6, “ And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them to place them; for I will have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the LORD their God, and will hear them.” And, Zechariah 10:10, “I will bring them again also out of the land of Egypt, and gather them out of Assyria; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon; and place shall not be found for them.” This prophecy is literal, is very clear in interpretation, cannot be applied, or given, to the church, and has not been fulfilled yet in any sense of the word. Among many passages in the Old Testament prophets, the Lord Jesus prophesied that one day the house of Joseph would be gathered a second time out of Egypt, and bring them back to the land of Israel, “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” Matthew 24:31 Exactly as Joseph prophesied that after seven years of plenty there would be a famine of seven years comes to past. I am reminded of the words of King Solomon when he said, “In the day of prosperity be joyful, but in the day of adversity consider: God also hath set the one over against the other, to the end that man should find nothing after him.” Ecclesiastes 7:14 God brings prosperity, and adversity, in everyone’s life for a particular reason. When adversity comes our way, and surely it shall, then at that time we need to consider what God is trying to tell us and to let us know that, in the end, all of this life apart from God, and His perfect will, is what we should do. And, in conclusion, “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.” Ecclesiastes 12:13
  18. 3 points
    NO NO NO -- when things need to be done, the energy is to be MUSTARD that no KETCHUP be required..
  19. 3 points
    Rebecca

    The beauty of creation

    Hermit crabs are an interesting critter. They use the empty shells of other critters for their protection since they don't grow their own shells. Usually when they outgrow the shell they are in they have to go in search of an empty shell large enough to fit them, and if another Hermit crab is nearby that also needs to upgrade they will wait in line to take the hand-me-down shell. I thought I was witnessing that when I saw these three Hermit crabs surrounding a larger shell. However, it turns out that there was a fourth crab inside the large shell! Two crabs were trying to evict the one in the large shell while the smallest was just waiting for the winner to leave its shell so it could take it over. I wasn't able to stay to the end of the fight to see the outcome, unfortunately.
  20. 3 points
    My wife, upon hearing all this, said, "Hast thou considered that thou mayest just be a picky old man?"
  21. 3 points
    Rebecca

    The beauty of creation

    I'm going to change it up and show an ugly creation: the Black sea cucumber/Black tarzan (both names are common). I at first thought this creature was a piece of garbage floating around in the shallow tide pool, but on closer inspection, it turned out to be a creature that is very ugly. However, when I looked closely at its head, it was interesting how the tendrils flowed out and around in search of food. The video quality isn't very good and my dog is splashing around, but you can see it moving its tendrils in search of food.
  22. 3 points
    DaveW

    The beauty of creation

    Sunset from Gracetown, South West of Western Australia
  23. 3 points
    DaveW

    Away for anniversary

    3 bears carpark and surf breaks in the background, our old Cruiser in the fore.
  24. 3 points
    OLD fashioned preacher

    Major changes

    ¡Que interesante! (How interesting!). I assume that the majority of folks here have already learned that the Lord directs and coordinates things without consulting us and sometimes without showing us where it "makes sense". Our job is not to be able to explain or understand "why", but rather to determine that it is indeed Him and be obedient (and without griping, murmuring, disputing - ie. be content and trust Him. Therein lies our greatest failure.) Anyway, I had the "Holiday Season" approaching, one son and his family were in the lower 48 having a youngun' and we saw them in the Chattanooga, TN area. We were leaving the motorhome in W. Memphis, AR for a month and driving the van to Dodge City, KS to spend a month with 2 of the boys and their families at Thanksgiving while another grandchild was born. My plan was to try for meetings in MS, AL, NW FL, Central FL, S FL as I sought to get to the Miami area where I knew I a definite meeting in Jan. Alas, one meeting in Tallahassee in Jan (500 miles from Miami) and 3 brethren want me in the churches in TN in Feb (875 miles from Miami). I picked up ONE other Miami area meeting but the pastor was going on vacation and wanted me to fill in the Wed before the meeting (Sun AM). It's an hour and a half from Miami. I developed vehicle problems with the motorhome and couldn't try to book any definite dates due to not knowing when I can be where. I couldn't get peace about cancelling any of the meetings. Not the way I want to spend money (at 5 miles per gallon fuel consumption). Fast forward: I'm in the middle of the largest Seminole reservation in Florida (Big Cypress) an hour from anything. The Hispanic church we had a meeting at gave us a huge love offering - it covered the expenses of traveling here and up to TN!! The pastor of the church here on the Res is the one I'm filling in for. We found out that this was not "merely" a vacation, 3 months ago they unexpectedly lost their 38 year old son and haven't had any chance to get away, slow down, or grieve. I'm SOOOO glad I didn't cancel for my inconvenience or personal concerns! The Seminole Indians only became a recognized tribe in the 1957, they were a loose band of Indians from several tribes (mostly Creek) who were hiding from US soldiers and living in the swamps and their descendants. This reservation is in the Everglades. They have a Chairman who may or may not choose to use the term "Chief" - some have , some have not. Their first chairman was a saved man who was also an Independent Baptist preacher! He started this church (Big Cypress New Testament Baptist Church). The large Bible on the communion table was presented to him in 1973 and cost $39.95
  25. 3 points
    weary warrior

    Music help?

    I appreciate all of the advice and encouragement. We had 28 present again yesterday. I chose "O For a Thousand Tongues to Sing" because of its very short verses and modest range. And with 6 verses, there was opportunity for them to kind of learn it by the time we were done. It went much better...no one's ears were bleeding by the time we finished. It all actually is a blessing in a way. We sing the one song, I rattle through 1/2 dozen announcements and then go straight into the preaching. As you might imagine from reading my posts on here over the years, my preaching is not what one might call fluffy and light. It's not harsh or mean, and I'm definitely not a screaming wind-sucker, but it is very direct and to the point, so a 30 minute message is usually enough. We then dismiss and go downstairs for a church family Sunday dinner every week. So the timing is working out well. The weekly meal after church? It's our version of "breaking bread" together, and Im finding that the benefits of this to the people individually, and to the cohesion of the church as a whole, are so much more than I ever imagined. Have you ever noticed how many important things in scripture Christ did with the disciples were done over a meal?
  26. 3 points
    Alan

    Music help?

    A word of encouragement. At our last church we started, in Taiwan, in the Chinese language, with just me and my wife, and no piano player, with me as the song leader. We sang traditional Baptist hymns every Sunday. Most of the folks who came, one by one, did not know any of the songs and a lot of them learned new words every service. A lot of the Bible words, and expressions, were new to them as well as the tune they were sung in. So, every month or so we sang some of the same songs until the folks started to learn them and the meanings. After awhile, a long while, Rebecca came and helped with the piano playing and the songs got more better. After a while one of the young adults felt led to take piano lessons. The church paid for the piano lessons and then another young person (very young), also took lessons. Eventually, the young people took over the piano playing and, at the same time, the folks took over the whole service. All in all, the church, Victory Baptist Church, has three young people who play on a rotating schedule (that they set up themselves and not me). In the photo below the song leader is one of our converts and the piano player is also one of our converts. Here is my word of encouragement and my suggestion. Keep on singing the same hymns out of the traditional song book. Yes, most do not know the words nor the meaning of the words. Yes, you do not have a piano player. So, you just sing the best you can and if you have grace to bear the members mistakes they will bear your mistakes. By the way, my mistakes in the song services, and my preaching, were the mistakes I made was not only in my lack of singing ability but also in the language. So, I had to endure smiles of folks holding down a laugh at my language mistakes besides my lack of singing ability. Eventually, God, will move your converts, or folks moving from one church to your church, to play the piano. God bless.
  27. 3 points
    Alan

    Revelation Bible Study.

    Evil Beasts The “evil beasts,” and “children of wickedness, is a direct reference to the false shepherds, or religious leaders, and the national leaders in the nation of Israel. False shepherds, in either the economy of the nation of Israel or in the churches in the Church Age, are like “evil beasts.” The Lord Jesus referred to the lost religious leaders in Israel as serpents and Herod, the leader in Israel, as a “fox.” Serpents and foxes are ‘brute beasts’ who destroy and not help. In Daniel 7 the great four kings of the earth are compared to beasts. In 2 Peter 2:12 the apostle Peter refers to the false prophets and teachers in the churches as, “natural brute beasts.” 2 Peter 2:12, “But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption.” “… out of the land ...” is a direct reference to the land of Israel. David as Prince Also, the “prince,” it is a direct reference to the “prince’ in Ezekiel 44:1-3 and 46:1-18. The prince is to offer burnt offerings, peace offerings, meat offerings, voluntary burnt offerings, and the prince will inherit land (Ezekiel 46:16), and have sons: “Moreover the prince shall not take of the people’s inheritance by oppression, to thrust them out of their possession; but he shall give his sons inheritance out of his own possession: that my people be not scattered every man from his possession.” Ezekiel 46:18 The Lord Jesus has never had to offer an sin offering nor will He ever have physical sons according to the nature of man. It is a scriptural impossibility for the “prince” to be the Lord Jesus in any manner; whether prophetically, literally, symbolically, allegorically, or any other sense of the word. And, up the time of the apostles, David, the prince of Israel, was not resurrected. Acts 2:29, “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.” Unmistakable Literal Prophecies of the Restoration of Israel “And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing. And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit ...” As with other prophecies of the Old Testament, the physical blessings of the natural fruits of the trees of the field, the abundance of rain in the land of Israel, will cause an abundance of food productivity in Israel. Isaiah 35:1-10 “… and they shall be safe in their land ...” Since the days that Ezekiel penned these words, until this very day, this prophecy has not been fulfilled. Even from the days when the Israel became a nation in May 1948, the Jews in Israel have not dwelled safely in the land. “… in their land ...” is clearly a reference to the physical land of Israel. There is absolutely no way “… in their land ...” can be construed in any other manner. Again, this is another reference (verse 13 & 25 and now verse 27), to the Jews being safe ‘in their land.’ The prophet Zechariah prophesied, “And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.” Zechariah 14:11. The only time the nation of Israel, will be inhabited safely is during the reign of Christ as revealed in Revelation 20:4-6. “…and shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them. And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen ...” To this day, the Jews are despised among men, a shame among men, and a physical prey to the Muslim world and a verbal prey to those who despise the Jew. Psalm 124 In this Psalm King David expresses his thanks to God for His protection from the ungodly who ‘prey’ upon the Jews, with their ‘teeth.’ The haters of Israel, in their wrath, or anger, or envy, use their ‘teeth,’ the words of their mouth, because they despise the Jews, to scorn, ridicule, malign, the nation of Israel with their tongues.“If it had not been the LORD who was on our side, now may Israel say; If it had not been the LORD who was on our side, when men rose up against us: Then they had swallowed us up quick, when their wrath was kindled against us: Then the waters had overwhelmed us, the stream had gone over our soul: Then the proud waters had gone over our soul. Blessed be the LORD, who hath not given us as a prey to their teeth. Our soul is escaped as a bird out of the snare of the fowlers: the snare is broken, and we are escaped. Our help is in the name of the LORD, who made heaven and earth.” Psalm 124:1-8 “… neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid. And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.” The “beasts of the land” is a reference not only to the animals of the land, Isaiah 11:6-9, but, in the context of Ezekiel 34:1-12 and 2 Samuel 7:10, the beasts of the land is a figure of speech concerning the wicked rulers, enemy nations, and false shepherds, who act like beasts of the wilderness. Hosea 1:10-11 The Promise of a Future ‘Great Day’ Hosea 1:10-11, “Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.” The ‘great day’ for the nation of Israel will be fulfilled during the 1,000 Year Reign of Christ. At that time, the nation of Israel will be completely free of the haters of Israel, and their fiery tongues, and will not suffer shame any more. “… in the land ...” is another clear reference to the physical, literal, land of Israel. The prophecy by Ezekiel is crystal clear that all of these promises of the reign of David as King, Prince, and the shepherd of Israel will take place ‘in the land.’ The “plant of renown” is a figure of speech in a reference to the Messiah, the Lord Jesus. William Kelly stated, “It is absurd on every point of view to interpret these prophecies of the church or of the gospel. Then the very beasts will have their nature changed, and the earth yield its increase: for it will be the day for which creation waits, groaning still and travailing in pain, but then it is to be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God. It is the day when Messiah is raised up for them, not now rejected and despised as once, a plant of renown, and Israel shall no more either pine with hunger in the land or be a reproach of the Gentiles. Jehovah will be with them, their God, and they His people. Has He spoken, and will He not make all good? Is aught too hard, too good, for the Lord?”1 “Thus shall they know that I am the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the LORD God. And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the LORD God.” This prophecy is unfulfilled to this day. Once the remnant of the Jews return to the Lord, and trust in Christ as their Messiah and Saviour, this prophecy will be fulfilled as revealed by Paul the Apostle in Romans 11:26-27, “And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.” God, through the prophet Ezekiel, Hosea, and Jeremiah, is crystal clear that all of these prophecies will be fulfilled after they are gathered “in the land,” and “upon the mountains of Israel.” At that time, the fulfillment of the unconditional covenant given to David in 2 Samuel 7:12-7 will be fulfilled. Therefore, all of the prophecies of Ezekiel 34:23-31 are literal and can not be construed as ‘allegorical,’ or ‘spiritual,’ or fulfilled in heaven with Christ on His throne in heaven. All of the prophecies have not been fulfilled up to our day, were not given to the church but await a literal future fulfillment. This prophecy of Ezekiel in Ezekiel 34: 23-31 has not been fulfilled in any sense of the word and can only be fulfilled, in every sense of the word, during the reign of Christ as written in Revelation 20:4-6 1Kelly, William, Notes on Ezekiel, (London: G. Morrish), n.d., page 167.
  28. 3 points
    Alan

    Fires in Austrailia

    We appreciate the update on the fires and are thankful that you have not been affected. We also appreciate your political analysis of the situation. Liberals are the same throughout the world and it seems a lot of politicians use disasters for their own agenda and let the environment, and people, and nature, suffer for their own agenda. Did not King Solomon say, "If thou seest the oppression of the poor, and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province, marvel not at the matter: for he that is higher than the highest regardeth; and there be higher than they." Ecclesiastes 5:8
  29. 3 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Starting Again

    It sounds like the exposure that some of those unchurched people had may just bear fruit in time to come. I will pray to that end.
  30. 3 points
    Well, my wife put up a 12" white ceramic christmas tree on our kitchen counter. I guess we're okay? This is my opinion, and my opinion is worthless...but I think too often, we look for boogeymen in too many places. If someone is against a Christmas tree, that's fine...I understand. If someone is fine with a Christmas tree, that's fine...I understand. Just as Paul was inspired to write about observing certain days, my opinion (which is worthless) about this is the same... Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
  31. 3 points
    Growing up, the church I attended only had Sunday morning service (with sunday school). Maybe a lot of people don't realize it's different sermons each time? They don't see the importance of attending as many services as you can. Providing good health. Our church is broadcast live online. So if we miss a sermon we're able to catch up online. Not very many churches at all that do that. Not every one is at the same stage of spiritual growth to want to attend 3-4 times a week. As you grow spiritually, speaking for myself, you can't get enough true Biblical preaching!
  32. 3 points
    Good news to report. She and I discovered we both like to color. I like coloring the journal/ art coloring Bibles and she like to color the very detailed coloring books. So for Christmas I got her a journaling/ coloring Bible. She seemed to really like it. She lets me pray for her whenever I want. I hold her hand and she bows her head and closes her eyes. So I don't think she believes in reincarnation that much. Every week I ask her if she wants to come to church with me, she always says no. I asked her many times to come to Christmas eve service. Always said no. I pray I will break her down and she'll come one day! When we visit, I always talk about what God had done for me that day or another day. And even she'll say sometimes "I pray …". Or she'll tell me "you better pray for that". So I'm much more encouraged than my first post.
  33. 2 points
    This is why I stay up North. You all are weird.
  34. 2 points
    Not a Hebrew National, Jim. They blend with the ketchup, mustard, and bread (sorry, we didn't have any buns hehe) to make one GOOOOOD dog! I'm so glad it didn't put you into a PICKLE. Wouldn't want any bitterness SPROUTing, right? As ESCAROLE through this thread, it still makes me laugh. It is THYME for me to go to church now, so ICEE ya'll later.
  35. 2 points
    No Nicolaitans

    Eternal Security vs O.S.A.S

    Gregg, the examples that you've given had to do with earthly/physical happenings. Salvation is spiritual. Man can do nothing of his own merit or works to earn salvation, nor can his merits or works cause him to remain saved or cause the loss of salvation. His merits and works can make his relationship with God stronger, or his merits and works can break his fellowship with God...but not his relationship with God. The word "saved" is an interesting word...it is a past-tense verb that defines past, present, and future happenings... I was "saved" many years ago. I am "saved" today. I will be "saved" in the future. No man can pluck us from his hand...and "no man" includes our self. Christ said that if any man will come to him, he will not cast them out. To say that we can lose salvation is to say that Christ is a sinner. Lying is a sin.
  36. 2 points
    DaveW

    Eternal Security vs O.S.A.S

    So in other words you, like everyone else I have asked, cannot answer the simple matter of the names God chose to use for salvation life, but choose instead to sidestep, redefine, and ignore the plain and basic truth. Eternal life cannot be eternal if it ends for any reason. Everlasting life isn't and NEVER WAS everlasting if ends for any reason. And OF COURSE we want Scriptures for your points. We are not interested in Calvin's lies and false doctrines.
  37. 2 points
    Okay. I'm done now...I may have gone a little overboard. Sorry. I'll ketchup with you later.
  38. 2 points
    That's IT!!! I'm done here! God's holy infallible word says that by their fruit, you shall know them (paraphrased because I'm really really really really really really really really really really really upset). Lest ye know, the tomato is a fruit. Lest ye know, ketchup is derived from the tomato. I thought that I was among friends here; however, now the cat is out of the bag...it's carved in stone...it's recorded on Google... I may be wrong, but I'm pretty suspicious that the manna that the Israelites ate in the wilderness was scrambled eggs with ketchup on it. Anyone who is against scrambled eggs with ketchup is surely a heretic!!! Hey...I'm just speaking the truth whether you like it or not!
  39. 2 points
    Rebecca

    What happened in church today?

    In Sunday school we are finally back to our series on Moses, where we had left off after switching to a few weeks of lessons about the birth of Christ in December. Today we have started learning about the ten plagues. In the main services, the pastor taught on Matthew 25:34-40 After services, people like to stay and fellowship for awhile before heading home. These two girls decided to take that time to finish coloring and to chat a bit before their parents were ready to go. No, they don't sit on the table during class!
  40. 2 points
    Alan

    Revelation Bible Study.

    Jim, I agree. Your post was pertinent and not off topic. The priests were leaders and they miss-used their position of authority over the people. As a person reads the prophets, in this case Malachi and Ezekiel, the religious leaders, the national leaders (after King Josiah especially), the priests (not all of them), and the many false prophets, as a whole, were abusing the office(s) that God gave them. Also, one of the reasons why I brought the subject of the shepherds out in the forefront was that Ezekiel makes it plain in Ezekiel 34:24 that David is called a Shepherd: a national leader, that will lead the nation of Israel in righteousness. Alan
  41. 2 points
    weary warrior

    Starting Again

    Well, after 10 years since the last one, we've accepted a request to take a pastorate of a little church in Washington State 40 miles south of Spokane. They've been looking for a pastor with "callused hands and muddy boots" who can relate to the farmers, ranchers and working men of the area. When they first contacted me back in June, we turned down the offer, not feeling we were up to it. But they never found a pastor they were looking for, and we never found the ministry we were looking for. So when they came back around again last month, we accepted after much prayer. I'm taking off with a truck and u-haul here in about 3 days for the 2500 mile trip out there. I have no support, no job and no salary waiting. (The church has shrunk to a congregation of...6). We are not worried at all, but are excited to see what God does. Our plan? To simply preach straight truth, pray much prayers and love unlovable people. Beyond that, it's in God's hands.
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