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  1. HappyChristian

    Wedding Bells...

    So our son is getting married on June 10. We are beyond thrilled. His wife-to-be is a godly young woman, and had I tailored a wife for him, she is what I would have made. God is so good! Wouldn't mind some prayer that things all come together for the wedding.
    5 points
  2. The doctrine of election is clearly a Biblical doctrine. However, the question of dispute is how God's Holy Word actually defines the Biblical doctrine of election. Among Bible students there are various systems of belief ("theories") concerning how God's Holy Word actually defines this Biblical doctrine. Now, since these various systems of belief ("theories") contradict each other, it is certain that they all cannot represent the true Biblical doctrine of election. My primary dispute (although not my only dispute) with the Calvinistic system of belief concerning the doctrine of election is the Calvinistic teaching that the Lord our God predetermined for certain sinners to repent and believe by His sovereign will and for other sinners to have no ability or possibility to repent and believe. I would contend that the Calvinistic teaching of unconditional predestination/pre-election is Biblically false, for God's Word clearly teaches that our Lord God's work of predestination/pre-election is conditioned upon our Lord God's foreknowledge. I would contend that the Calvinistic teaching of irresistible/effectual calling is Biblically false, for God's Word clearly teaches that sinners can and do resist the gracious call of God. I would contend that the Calvinistic teaching of regeneration life before and unto repentance and faith is Biblically false, for a multitude of passages in God's Word place repentance and faith as the prerequisites to regeneration life.
    5 points
  3. I noticed that you didn't give a testimony of salvation which Dave W asked for...I find this something that most Calvinists avoid doing as well. I am asking for one now...this will make the second request for such on these forums.
    4 points
  4. Interesting. Iconoclast, you did not provide a single reference of Scripture to support your statement. You just provided your own emphatic declaration -- "period." If we take this statement at face value, then we would have to accept it upon your personal authority. Yet true doctrine is NOT founded on ANY man's authority. Rather, true doctrine is founded upon the absolute authority of God's Holy Word. So then, let us consider God's Word. Do we find the phrase "godly line" or the phrase "ungodly line" anywhere therein? While we certainly DO find the words "godly" and "ungodly" employed in God's Word to describe particular individuals and groups, we NEVER actually find either the phrase "godly line" or "ungodly line" in God's Word. Now, when the word "line" is used in the context of humanity, it generally means "lineage; the descendants of a common ancestor." If such was your intended usage for the term in your declaration, then it would have been better to use actual Biblical terminology, such as that there are two spiritual families -- the children of God and the children of disobedience. So, in Genesis 3:15 the singular seed of the woman is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ. Furthermore, through faith in Christ believers may indeed be called Abraham's seed (as per Galatians 3:29). However, this still does NOT mean that believers are the seed of the WOMAN in Genesis 3:15. Indeed, Genesis 3:15 has nothing to do with a "godly line." Rather, it has to do with a PROMISED SAVIOR.
    4 points
  5. The terms "actual" and "potential" as employed in the above questions are philosophical terminology. I would much rather employ Biblical terminology than philosophical terminology. So then: 1. Do I believe that God our Savior "will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth"? In accord with 1 Timothy 2:3-4 -- "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have ALL MEN to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." -- I boldly answer, "Yes." 2. Do I believe that our Lord Jesus Christ "gave himself a ransom for all [mankind]"? In accord with 1 Timothy 2:5-6 -- "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time." -- I boldly answer, "Yes." 3. Do I believe that "the grace of God" which "bringeth salvation" has indeed "appeared to all men"? In accord with Titus 2:11 -- "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL MEN." -- I boldly answer, "Yes." 4. Do I believe that Jesus Christ "is the propitiation," not only for the sins of believers, "but also for the sins of the whole world"? In accord with 1 John 2:2 -- "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD." -- I boldly answer, "Yes."
    4 points
  6. The question above is a faulty question. In Genesis 3:15 the seed of the woman is further described with the singular pronouns "it" and "his." Thus the seed of the woman as presented in this context is NOT a "godly line," but is a singular male individual; and we know that the singular male individual who bruised Satan's head and whose heel Satan bruised is none other than our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Himself. It should be noted that with your question above you employ the plural word "seeds;" whereas the Holy Spirit inspired grammar of Genesis 3:15 only employs the singular word "seed."
    4 points
  7. Thank you for posting this, Jim. Uke was a blessing to me personally and to the forum. Just for member info, for those who didn't know, his wife (whisperingsage) was also a member of the forum and she preceded him to Glory. Indeed, what a blessing to know we will meet again in Glory.
    4 points
  8. Just like flat earthers or evolutionists, reading the debate with this calvinist guy reminds me of an old saying. It is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how brilliant your moves are, the pigeon will simply knock over pieces, poop on the board and then declare victory.
    3 points
  9. Iconoclast, in my opinion you and your heretical posts targeted at me personally, do not deserve a reply; but out of Christian courtesy, I choose to reply to your accusations against me in your text above. You will find my responses directly under your accusations in this boldened contrasting text color. But before I get to that, as an administrator on this forum, I want to address your presence and motive for being on this message forum. Like the many heretical false teachers/preachers before you that have joined this forum; you burst on the scene in full blown teaching or preaching mode, without so much as the courtesy of introducing yourself. Members here cannot even determine if you are a Christian, since you have consistently refused to give a testimony of your salvation, if you have one, although you have been asked for such testimony several times. Based on your actions and posted content on this forum it is patently evident that you are here to argue, cause division and promote the heretical doctrine of Calvinism. This is made evident, not only on this message forum, but also on other message forums that you have joined and posted on. The very screen name you chose is a strong indication of your adversarial nature. The stated purpose of this message board is one of Christian fellowship with like minded believers and to the edification of those believers as Independent Fundamental Baptists. Since the beginning your presence here has been anything but the aforementioned. You also appear on the scene with the arrogant attitude that you know more than anyone else here and set about to straighten us out. If this sounds harsh, it is meant to be and I resent being pushed to moderate with a heavy hand. So, in this respect you may consider this a warning to cease and desist with pushing your Calvinist attack on this message board and also stop posting your long "copy and past" writings of others of your ilk. Titus 3:10 (KJV) A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 1 Timothy 1:3 (KJV) As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, Proverbs 16:18 (KJV) Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. Pr 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: Pr 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, Pr 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, Pr 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
    3 points
  10. I rarely post here, but this brings me to my favourite Calvinist question - surely you have an answer for me. Can you show me a clearly stated testimony of salvation for Calvin please? And whilst you are at it, you might give your own testimony of salvation. I will not answer, for I have no interest in any sort of debate, but would dearly love for SOME Calvinist to give me a clear record of Calvin's salvation testimony. Preferably something in his own words, and not what others have said of him. This should be an easy question to answer, and it requires no further clarity so there is no need for you to ask me all sorts of questions (which I will not answer anyway). If you refuse to give such a reference, I will have to assume it is because you either do not understand salvation yourself, or you cannot find such a testimony for Calvin. No one has yet provided any such thing to me, in spite of asking this question of Calvinists for the last 15 years.
    3 points
  11. I answered your question. You quoted Scripture and I said Scripture is never twisted. It is your interpretation of Scripture that is twisted; I said that in another reply. You are so right Bro. Tony. As my old missionary pastor used to say: "All means all, and that is all that all means."
    3 points
  12. Yea, hath God said? Titus 2:11 -- "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL MEN." First, in this verse it is NOT a truth that has appeared unto all men. Rather, it is "the grace of God that bringeth salvation" which has appeared to all men. Second, the "all men" are precisely that -- "ALL MEN," all of mankind. Third, the verse itself does not tell us how "the grace of God that bringeth salvation" has "appeared to all men." It just reveals the fact for us to believe as God's Word has reported it. Indeed, for the answer to that question, we would need to consider other passages of Scripture. Yea, hath God said? But surely He did not mean what He actually said. (sarcasm warning)
    3 points
  13. Of course Scripture is never twisted, it is the Calvinist interpretation of Scripture that is twisted, as is yours.
    3 points
  14. John 1:9 -- "That was the true Light, which lighteth EVERY MAN that cometh into the world." John 12:32 -- "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me." Romans 5:18b -- "Even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon ALL MEN unto justification of life." 1 Timothy 2:3-6 -- "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have ALL MEN to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time." 1 Timothy 4:10 -- "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL MEN, specially of those that believe." Titus 2:11 -- "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL MEN." 1 John 2:2 -- "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD." I wonder -- Is it "grammatical double-speak" for us to quote God's Holy Word as it is directly written under the specific inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, and then to accept it to be the very truth as it is so written? Or, is it "double-speak" to claim that what is directly written in God's Holy Word under the specific inspiration of God the Holy Spirit does not really mean what it actually says?
    3 points
  15. It is preposterously amazing how a Calvinist, or a person blinded by Calvinist doctrine, can twist Scripture to make it conform to what he or she believes, rather than letting Scripture form his or her belief system. As proven in this thread, their tenacity to wrest Scripture would interpret a Scripture such as this: Revelation 22:17 -- "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." to indicate that God did not mean what He clearly said. In this instance God clearly said "whosoever", but He really meant only the elect. This would indicate that the God of all Heaven and earth is incapable of expressing what He clearly means. This leaves us with only two choices: believe Iconoclast or believe God; I think I will choose to believe the God that saved a wretch like me.
    3 points
  16. I have not thought much about "humanistic" terms specifically in modern versions, though their approach to choosing manuscripts and translation choices certainly qualify as humanistic - bringing the Bible down to the level of any other human writings, believing certain parts are inspired and others are not, believing there are errors and things that need to be corrected, believing God did not really preserve His Word so they need to find the missing parts or correct the errors using their own humanistic judgement.
    3 points
  17. Perhaps this poem may offer some comfort to those who read this thread. I pray the Lord continues to comfort his family. I’ve Gone Home
    3 points
  18. Agree with all this. Our church sometimes changes things up when there is a practical need, but as an organist, it really helps me to be able to anticipate what will happen next. Especially if it’s a Sunday I’m also in the nursery. And shortening/lengthening unexpectedly isn’t nice on Children’s Church workers who have prepared for the time allotted them (let me tell you about the day we had a two-hour sermon after expecting a 45-minute one! And the 20 minute sermon - wasn’t as bad, but still threw off the whole class). Mixing things up just because is stressful to those people who have responsibilities during the service. And as humans, we generally work better with structure. The congregation will feel more at home if some semblance of expected order is maintained.
    3 points
  19. A bit off topic, but I still have my original Bible, bought in 1975; It is a Cambridge wide margin, with easy to read, bolder than normal print, easy on the eyes. I had it rebound twice.
    3 points
  20. I purchased the '390E3B Mid Size Wide Margin Black 3 Piece (Executive)' and it is exactly like my old Cambridge Wide Margin. Excellent purchase and wearing very well.
    3 points
  21. Try Local Church Bible Publishers. As they are a church ministry, their bibles are at cost. Many are leather and very good quality materials. All are under $80 and well priced. http://localchurchbiblepublishers.com/bibles/?filter_items=bibles
    3 points
  22. Catholicism is not a different denomination or church - it is an entirely different religion, using some of the same terms and words, but with different meanings. Yes, a Catholic can get saved DESPITE their religion, but their walk will be hindered or affected to the extent that they are still stuck in their doctrines and practices. My Mom was a Catholic. She got saved through reading her Bible around two years before she died. She was truly saved - but due to her cancer and being in and out of the hospital (and in and out of comas due to failed organs), she never "left" the Catholic church officially (though in reality, she was probably not that much in their services and activities in that last year or two anyway). She however, no longer believed the fundamental works doctrine of the Catholic church and its mass, as she was fully trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and His finished work on the cross. In regards to this thread: Is God limited by only being able to save those who have the King James Bible? Of course not - HOWEVER, the Bible you read and study from will affect your day to day walk with the Lord, your understanding of Bible doctrine to the extent that version is changed or different from the KJV, and and also possibly affect your reverence for the Lord and the things of God depending upon what type of Bible is being read (I have read or watched various testimonies of believers stating this exact thing, that reading a dynamic equivalent version or a paraphrase had affected them and that they themselves noticed a major difference when they turned to the King James Bible).
    3 points
  23. James 3:13-18 -- "Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? Let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace."
    2 points
  24. James I biggest problem was he liked having witches burned at the stake but this what belief in Covenant Theology led to at the time. "Suffer not a witch to live". Just like Replacement Theology led to the slaughter of many Jews at one time. King James behavior among the male members of the court may be normal from men in power at the time. Apparently, showing outward affection towards a wife was a sign of weakness and would make the king or any court official look hen-pecked and "cuckold". Wives were viewed at just as breeding machines to keep house. In some cultures, like among the Samurai, this led to pederasty (not pedophilia) among those in power. This behavior was almost exclusively practice in high society not among the vast majority of common people. That being said, King James only gave his stamp of approval to the translation and where there is the word of the king there is power (Ecclesiastes 8:4).
    2 points
  25. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! Luke 13:34 Interpretation? God's will was for them to come to Him, to believe on Him but they didn't want to. What is the 4th petal of the "tulip"? Isn't it "irresistible" grace? They resisted His grace. People will not accept anything if they don't want to....kind of like you're doing now.
    2 points
  26. Mr. Iconoclast, According to your understanding in the Calvinistic system of belief, does the Calvinistic system of belief hold concerning the absolute sovereignty of the Lord our God that He "totally controls" every single event that occurs? Furthermore, according to your understanding in the Calvinistic system of belief, does the Calvinistic system of belief hold concerning the absolute sovereignty of the Lord our God that He "totally controls" every single decision of every human being and every angelic being?
    2 points
  27. Not likely. I do not enjoy reading people's posts who continually twist the Word of God - or hyper-focus on one aspect and ignore all the rest. This says wisdom is free for the asking to whoever wants it and asks for it, not to who God sovereignly chooses to distribute it to. James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
    2 points
  28. Iconoclast seemed to be an odd screen name, so I went looking for a definition, which I found very interesting. Based on this definition it would appear that he is here to attack those that do not hold to his beliefs, rather than seek Fellowship with like minded Christians. i·con·o·clast /īˈkänəˌklast/ noun 1. a person who attacks cherished beliefs or institutions.
    2 points
  29. Ah yes, John 6:37-44 according to the Calvinistic system of belief. False (by adding to Scripture what is not there). In John 6:37 our Lord Jesus Christ stated, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." In this verse Jesus said nothing at all about the time "before the world was." In fact, in His statement Jesus employed the present tense verbs "giveth" and "cometh," not past tense verbs. False (by changing what Scripture actually says). The opening portion of Psalm 110:3 reads, "Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power." It does NOT say that they are "made" willing, nor does it say anything about them being "unwilling." False. I have no need to leave the context of John 6:35-47 in order to combat the Calvinistic viewpoint thereof. So, what do we learn from what it actually teaches? John 6:35 -- "And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst." From this verse we are able to discern that in this context "coming to Christ" is equivalent to "believing on Christ." John 6:37 -- "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." From this verse we learn that God the Father gives a certain group of individuals to God the Son. Furthermore, we learn that "all" (every single individual) of the group that God the Father gives to God the Son actually and certainly do come to/believe on God the Son. Finally, we learn that God the Son will "in no wise cast out," but will certain receive," anyone who comes to/believes on Him. Even so, if we were to put these truths in a logical sequence, we would have the following: 1. God the Father gives some unto God the Son. 2. ALL that God the Father gives actually and certainly come to/believe on God the Son. 3. God the Son does not reject, but definitely receives any who come to/believe on Him. John 6:38-39 -- "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day." Herein we learn that God the Son does not reject, but definitely receives any who come to/believe on Him so as to be in direct obedience to God the Father's will. Furthermore, we learn that God the Son has been assigned by God the Father not to lose even a single one of those whom God the Father gives to him. Finally, we learn that in obedience to God the Father's will God the Son will certainly raise up again at the last day (in the resurrection) every single one whom God the Father gives Him. Even so, if we were to add these truths to our logical sequence, we would now have the following: 1. God the Father gives some unto God the Son. 2. ALL that God the Father gives actually and certainly come to/believe on God the Son. 3. God the Son does not reject, but definitely receives any who come to/believe on Him. 4. God the Son will not lose, but will keep every single one whom God the Father gives Him, and thus who come to/believe on Him. 5. God the Son will certainly raise up again in the resurrection every single one whom God the Father gives Him, and thus who come to/believe on Him. John 6:40 -- "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." Herein we learn that every single one who believes on/comes to God the Son receives everlasting life. Furthermore, we have the truth repeated that God the Son will certainly raise every single one of them up at the last day (in the resurrection). Even so, in our logical sequence, we now have the following: 1. God the Father gives some unto God the Son. 2. ALL that God the Father gives actually and certainly come to/believe on God the Son. 3. God the Son does not reject, but definitely receives any who come to/believe on Him. 4. Every single one who believes on/comes to God the Son receives everlasting life. 5. God the Son will not lose, but will keep every single one whom God the Father gives Him, and thus who come to/believe on Him. 6. God the Son will certainly raise up again in the resurrection every single one whom God the Father gives Him, and thus who come to/believe on Him. At this point our logical sequence looks very promising for the Calvinistic system of belief; for at this point the sequence begins with God the Father's giving some unto God the Son. This certainly appears to indicate that divine election begins the process and is the very means by which individuals come to/believe on God the Son. However, in John 6:43-47 our Lord Jesus Christ revealed more about the process and about God the Father's work in the process. John 6:43-44 -- "Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." Herein we learn that no human sinner has any ability whatsoever in themselves to come unto/believe on God the Son. On the other hand, we learn that the ability for a lost human sinner to come unto/believe on God the Son is specifically granted by God the Father's gracious work of drawing. Finally, we have the truth repeated that God the Son will certainly raise up at the last day (in the resurrection) every single one who comes to/believes on Him. Yet these truths leave us with some questions. What does it mean for God the Father to perform His gracious work of drawing upon a lost sinner's heart? Furthermore, upon whom all does God the Father perform this gracious work of drawing? In order to relieve these question, our Lord Jesus Christ provided an explanation in John 6:45. John 6:45 -- "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." Herein our Lord Jesus Christ initiated his explanation with a quote from Isaiah 54:13, that as God the Son He altered for the present context of John 6:35-47. Therefore, we learn that "all" experience God the Father's work of teaching. Furthermore, we learn that each individual is responsible to hear and learn of God the Father from His work of teaching. Finally, we learn that each individual who does actually hear and learn of God the Father from His work of teaching will certainly come to/believe on God the Son. Even so, if we consider just the logical sequence of this verse, we have the following: 1. God the Father performs His work of teaching "all." 2. Each individual is responsible to hear and to learn of God the Father from His work of teaching. 3. Those who actually hear and learn of God the Father from His work of teaching certainly come to/believe on God the Son. Now, since contextually John 6:45 is presented as an explanation for the truth of John 6:44, we must ask how the explanation of John 6:45 relates to the truth of God the Father's gracious work of drawing. Since in John 6:44 the activity of God the Father is His work of drawing, and since in John 6:45 the activity of God the Father is His work of teaching, we may conclude that in these two verses these two elements are to viewed as contextually equivalent. Even so, in our logical sequence of these two verses together, we would have the following: 1. God the Father performs His work of teaching/drawing "all." 2. Each individual is responsible to hear and to learn of God the Father from His work of teaching. 3. Those who actually hear and learn of God the Father from His work of teaching certainly come to/believe on God the Son. 4. God the Son will certainly raise up again in the resurrection every single one whom God the Father gives Him, and thus who come to/believe on Him. So then, how does the sequence of these two verses fit with the earlier sequence of John 6:35-40? Since point #3 of this sequence concerns those who come to/believe on God the Son, and since point #2 of the earlier sequence concerns those who come to/believe on God the Son, we may recognize the merge of these two sequences at this point. Furthermore, since John 6:37 defines all those who come to/believe on God the Son as all whom God the Father gives Him, and since John 6:45 defines all those who come to/believe on God the Son as everyone who actually hears and learns of God the Father from His work of teaching/drawing, we may recognize that all those whom God the Father gives to God the Son are all those who hear and learn of God the Father from His work of teaching/drawing. Even so, we now have the following sequence: 1. God the Father performs His work of teaching/drawing "all." 2. Each individual is responsible to hear and to learn of God the Father from His work of teaching. 3. All of those who hear and learn of God the Father from His work of teaching/drawing are the some whom God the Father gives to God the Son. 4. ALL that God the Father gives actually and certainly come to/believe on God the Son. 5. God the Son does not reject, but definitely receives any who come to/believe on Him. 6. Every single one who believes on/comes to God the Son receives everlasting life. 7. God the Son will not lose, but will keep every single one whom God the Father gives Him, and thus who come to/believe on Him. 8. God the Son will certainly raise up again in the resurrection every single one whom God the Father gives Him, and thus who come to/believe on Him. John 6:46-47 -- "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life." Herein we learn that although lost sinners must hear and learn of God the Father from His work of teaching/drawing, they do not actually see God the Father in any physical manner. This reveals that the teaching/drawing work of God the Father is not a physical work upon the physical ear, but is a spiritual work upon the human heart. Furthermore, we have the truth repeated that every single one who believes on/comes to God the Son receives everlasting life. Now that we have considered all that our Lord Jesus Christ taught throughout the context of John 6:35-47, we recognize that the entire sequence does not begin with God the Father's giving some unto God the Son through a work of divine election. Rather, we recognize that the entire sequence begins with God the Father's work of divine teaching/drawing, which He performs for the sake of "all." Furthermore, we learn that individuals must respond aright to God the Father's work of teaching/drawing, by hearing and learning of Him, in order to be those whom God the Father gives unto God the Son. (Not the Calvinistic system of belief after all.)
    2 points
  30. KJ didn't make the KJV. As titular head of the Anglican Church, he merely gave the Anglican clerics permission to make their new Bible version. It was called the KJV because his toadie, Archbishop Bancroft, heaped lavish praise on KJ & credited him with things he didn't do with the new version.
    2 points
  31. Romans 1:16-20 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
    2 points
  32. Actually the verse says this: Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, God's grace has appeared to all men. Just like Jesus' enlightens every man, draws all men to Himself through the Gospel. He makes the truth and the gift of salvation available, but mankind is free to accept or reject the truth, accept or reject the Saviour and His gift of salvation. John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. - Doesn't say enlightens every elect person, but every man that cometh into this world (ie. all those who are born in this world). John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. - Salvation has been provided for all, the way has been prepared for all, all of sin's debt has been paid by the Lord Jesus Christ upon the cross. 2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: 2 Thessalonians 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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  33. Yet you have not demonstrated grammatically wherein my presentation is wrong concerning that which God the Holy Spirit directly and precisely inspired in Romans 5:18. First, the word "many" and the phrase "all men" are NOT the same in meaning. The phrase "all men" is a precise phrase, whereas the word "many" is a relative word according to any given context. In a given context the word "many" can be equivalent to the precise phrase "all men," for "all men" can indeed be many of them. However, the word "many" does not necessarily have to encompass "all," but can mean many among all. Yet whereas the word "many" could encompass the same group as the phrase "all men," the precise phrase "all men" cannot legitimately be lessened only to include some lesser many among all; for that would require the precise phrase "all men" to cease to mean "all" (which is the exact falsehood that you keep trying to teach). Second, Romans 5:15 does not directly say anything about men being justified. Rather, Romans 5:15 talks about "the grace of God" and the gift of God by His grace abounding unto many. It is Romans 5:16 which informs us that this free gift by God's grace is "unto [unto the purpose of] justification." Furthermore, it is Romans 5:17 which informs us that those who RECEIVE the abundance of God's grace and of His gift of righteousness/justification "shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ." Finally, it is Romans 5:19 which informs us that "by the obedience of one," Jesus Christ, MANY (NOT "all men") "shall be made righteous [justified]." Throughout the discussion you keep being imprecise with the grammatical statements that God the Holy Spirit directly and specifically inspired. Such imprecision is NOT "rightly dividing the word of truth." Now we are dealing with a different passage (1 Corinthians 15:22), and thus a different context and a different grammatical construction. Whereas the grammar of Romans 5:18 emphasizes that which is BY the offence of Adam and BY the righteousness of Christ, the grammar of 1 Corinthians 15:22 focuses upon those who are IN Adam and those who are IN Christ. Furthermore, whereas the grammar of Romans 5:18 very specifically designates the "all" with the defining phrase "ALL MEN," 1 Corinthians 15:22 designates its usage of "all" in the first half only with the phrase "in Adam" and in the second half only with the phrase "in Christ." Therefore, the word "all" is designated and defined DIFFERENTLY in these two different contexts. (You say - "Same word all, but two groups" - and you are accurate for 1 Corinthians 15:22, because the "all" in each phrase of the verse is designated and defined by a different phrase. However, in Romans 5:18 the grammar does not allow two different groups because the word "all" is designated and defined by the SAME phrase - "ALL MEN" and "ALL MEN.") Indeed, all in Adam do die; and all in Christ shall be made alive. On the other hand, by the offence of Adam God's judgment came (exists) upon ALL MEN to condemnation; and by the righteousness of Christ God's free gift came (exists) upon (unto/for the sake of) ALL MEN unto justification of life. Your attempt to "mash together" these two different contexts continues to demonstrate your imprecision with the grammar that God the Holy Spirit directly and specifically inspired in each case.
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  34. Yet in Romans 5:12 and Romans 5:18 God the Holy Spirit did not just say "all," but said "all MEN," very clearly and specifically defining the group that He was designating in that context.
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  35. I second this. This is an excellent study bible.
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  36. Um, what Bible are you reading? Neither the Bible, nor that passage specifically, teach what you just said. The Bible teaches that the Lord God provided salvation for the whole world, Jesus paid the penalty for the whole world, but salvation only comes through repentance and faith in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Many will not accept that, will reject the Saviour, His Word, His Gospel, and therefore WILL perish. God's desire is that they turn from their sins to the Saviour, but He will not force anyone to be saved.
    2 points
  37. Jerry

    Fault Lines May Open

    Good focus. Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
    2 points
  38. I prayed for all involved when I first learned of this years ago. What brought you to this forum? Care to share your testimony with us?
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  39. Since when is Scripture "fundamentalist garbage"???
    2 points
  40. It seems like there is a lot of evil associated with that church and several of its pastors. Good thing that the Lord God can bring healing to His people, even if they suffered some kind of sexual abuse or trauma. A victim does not have to stay a victim or remain in the bondage or damage that the abuse to them caused. I was sexually abused for a ongoing period of time during my teen years, and it did mess me up for years afterwards, but after I got saved and had a solid walk with the Lord based upon His Word, the Lord brought healing of my mind and spirit (in His time, I will add though). If their victims are not saved, we need to pray that the Holy Spirit enlightens them to the truth and that He clearly shows them that those pastors, etc. do not represent His true people or His Word. If they do respond to the Gospel and trust the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour, the indwelling Holy Spirit can heal what is broken over time.
    2 points
  41. The NIV is of the devil. It is a book of doubt, not faith, it contains the word of God here and there but it is not God's preserved Word. If we have to go into the whys again, I'll do it.
    2 points
  42. My mother made sure that my brother and I knew how to cook. Her teaching has served me well over the years. Not that my wife can't cook, she does very well, but both her and I like my cooking and I cook often.
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  44. My first exposure that I recall was in 6th grade (1972, Buffalo Public School 45) when we had about 6 or so weeks of Sex Ed. I remember all the kids being pretty uncomfortable. Most of us weren't ready for (or interested in) such a discussion. I believe my most pressing concerns at the time were the upcoming street hockey game and my balsa wood airplane models. It's a shame our current culture and educators will no longer let our kids be kids. Parents are the best judges of when to have these discussions with their own children. And people wonder why I homeschool. Personally I wonder why more people don't homeschool.
    2 points
  45. Tonight we are finishing up a roast that Vivian made on Sunday afternoon. We would have eaten it yesterday, but we were at the doctors office until nearly 3 PM. Then we had to grocery shop. The doctor told me that they hadn't ruled out TIA's, but that they will know more within the next 30-60 days. They want MRI's on my neck since I was supposed to have some of the vertebra fused together back in 2015, but wasn't able to because of Vivian's near fatal accident. The doctor also placed me on Lipitor as a precaution since it's so hard to accuratelyl diagnose a TIA, and my cholesterol was within a point or two of "crossing over" into the bad area.
    2 points
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