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  1. 5 points

    Social Distancing

    I'm a Baptist. I've been teaching my daughters social distancing from boys for a long time time now. lol
  2. 5 points

    An apology

    Okay, so when I posted the articles concerning David Cloud, the Australian church, and the issue of the timing of the rapture, I did not intend for it to go where it did, though out of experience, I should have seen that happening. My intention was just to put forth whether the timing of the rapture should be considered a fundamental of the faith, and a matter of separation and heresy. Yes, it was a disagreement with David Cloud's position, but it was not meant in any ways to disparage him and his ministry, a ministry that I have used often, and do to this day. But yes, it was a disagreement. That said, I wish to apologize to those who saw my comments as being disparaging to him, or to them, and also apologize for allowing myself to run back into the argument over the particulars; such wasn't my intention, and those whom I have offended or angered, I apologize-there are some subjects that I know, from my own feelings about them, that I ought to leave unsaid, especially as a moderator. So consider the subject closed and done. If anyone wishes to speak more in detail on it, or has further argument with me, please let me know privately and we can do it as brethren in Christ. Again, I am sorry for the unintended contention I began.
  3. 4 points

    Social Distancing

    I was watching the news the other day on my computer and the they were explaining that we need to keep a safe distance, six feet, from other people (... six feet ...) . So, I moved my computer screen six feet away from me.
  4. 4 points

    Dear Any Godly Pastor

    Dear Any Godly Pastor Dear Pastor... I am old enough to be your mom! However! I'm NOT too old and I don't have so much more experience in life that I cannot continue to learn. What a blessing it is to hear the instruction of the Word. I have not grown so strong, so knowledgeable, or so wise that I no longer need comfort, encouragement, edification, exhortation, admonition, reproof, rebuke, and correction in righteousness. You see - it never gets old or tiresome to hear the Word with listening ears, ready to receive with an open heart, a message that the Lord has filled your heart with to preach. I sincerely believe that every Spirit-filled message is for me to hear as I run my race hungering and thirsting after righteousness; for I ought to pay attention to every word that has proceeded out of the mouth of God. God's Words and instructions are all given in the best interests of my heart. Pastor, it's a thing of awe to know that each week, though unseen by me, the Lord is preparing, teaching, convicting, and guiding you with messages of truth - that our God wants you to impart to our precious little church. The messages that the Spirit gives, are so very vital to the encouragement that I need, as I desire to walk with Him so as I ought to walk. What a joy it is, Pastor, to empty ourselves of ourselves, that the Lord can fill our hearts with exactly what we need and when we need it. I've learned to recognize that selfishness fills me with misery, and a void of contentment. Pride has a way of chewing me up and spitting me out and trampling me under my very own feet. It is futile to do anything in and of myself - ooooooh, how great a thing it is to welcome the instruction from His Word which indeed brings joy and peace, love and contentment! Long ago when my children were but babes, I kept a diary of heartfelt thoughts for them. I dearly wanted to encourage them to come to the understanding that it is wise to accept instruction, and to welcome it along with any discipline necessary, as a means of protection all the days of our lives. I wanted them to see that the Word itself, Jesus, was given to us coupled with any chastisement, because He loves us - and that He truly is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. So long ago, I wanted my children to begin to understand the importance that correction in righteousness is. For the sake of simplicity and illustration at the time, any godly reproof that we may be the recipients of - could be pictured as like going down a narrow road with precipices on either side, but that the Word of God is as "bumpers or guard rails" that help keep us from "derailing and going off track". I wanted them to understand the importance of living in obedience to the Word with a broken and contrite spirit and heart, and that by so-doing, keeps us on our toes, aware, alert, and with the desire striving to grow in Him in progressive sanctification. Pastor, I pray for you all throughout the week - I suppose like a momma would pray for her son. I pray that the Lord would teach you just what you need to know, with the love and power needed, in order to impart to us what He has given to you. I pray that you are filled with His Spirit as you study, as you learn, and as you prepare to preach to us. I cannot articulate the words to describe the blessing and joy it is to hear you preach; for it is easy to lose sight of you, the man preaching, and see that is is Christ through you speaking to me. I praise the Lord for your sensitivity to the Spirit, and your active fear of the Lord. It's a wondrous thing to see your testimony of pure religion; blameless, spotless, and without wrinkle. I'm sure that you must get discouraged at times, when it seems that the congregation is dull of hearing, and it's difficult to see lives being transformed. Surely there must be times that you would throw your hands up with the feelings of despair and burden. But, Pastor! When those times come, please remind yourself that there's a little ole lady - pretty much unseen, doesn't fit in with most of the others, but is doing the very best possible to be attentive to the Spirit working - being available and desiring to receive the Word and that it would pierce my heart. I'm so very glad that though I may be "nobody" on this earth, that I am yet still very much "somebody" to my Saviour! I desperately need to hear from my God, and I am so glad and joyous that you are availing yourself to Him as a vessel meet for His use. Carry on, Pastor, carry on! In serving Him, you serve us. Someone once so wisely said that - "A good leader is first a good follower of God". Continue to take up your cross and walk on in Him. The "momentum" in Him, lightens the heaviness that a man of God, a man after God's own heart, is so often burdened with. Just think! By God's mercies, we have the privilege, blessing, pleasure, and joy to present ourselves as living sacrifices because of our love for Him; yes - holy and acceptable unto God. It truly is reasonable for us to give ourselves, losing ourselves, and to reciprocate our love to Him with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength! God is love, and so to know love, is to know God. Please be encouraged, Pastor, and carry on! WWMS
  5. 4 points

    In Great Need of Work!

    Been looking for full time work for nearly 2 months. Thought I found it twice just to get laid off both times. Please pray for me in Jesus Grace I might find work. Beginning to think I will never find a job again.
  6. 4 points
    Yes, the epicenter is King County (good metaphor...King County is the cause of most of our political problems here in the state LOL), with Spokane being the next largest problem. Even with that, considering the numbers who are listed as having the virus, it is a negligible number in comparison to the flu. The flu has also killed more people than this has. However, the flu is so common that government would have a hard time mandating the closure of things and thus bottoming out the economy. Well, other than toilet paper manufacturers. LOL I'm glad you had 18 yesterday. And a visitor to boot! We had 5 in Sunday School and 7 in the main service, 5 last night. Some of our members (as I mentioned my mom) have self-quarantined due to colds. One member lives with his sister, brother-in-law, and niece (plus other family members). His BIL and niece both have major health issues that are actually terminial, so they are quarantined by doctor's order. They are also members of our church. Anyway, this member now has a cold and so is staying home - and virtually stuck in his room, because his niece is convinced he has covid (which has entirely different symptoms from what he has) and is afraid she will contract it. Understandable, because if she gets it, it will kill her most likely. However, that is a picture of what the media hype has done to people. Created a fear within them that makes them afraid of their own family. Small wonder that the majority of people have no issues with government mandated closures and limits on gatherings. My husband is preaching on the different aspect of Christ this month. Yesterday he spoke on Christ as Creator. He also was able to emphasize that we oughtn't let fear run our lives. I'm thankful for pastors who can actually comfort their people in this way! ~~~~~~~ Don't get me wrong - I don't want anybody sick. But I am tired of the hype. More people - VASTLY more - have survived the virus than have died from it.
  7. 4 points

    In Great Need of Work!

    My reply below is not meant to be critical or mean, just honestly asking because I don't understand the logic in your statement. Why? Because God is not answering a prayer request in the way and time frame that you want? God is not a genie in a box were you get 3 wishes that you wish. 1 John 5:14-15 (KJV) And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. James, I have been there before. I've had no job for over a year trying to provide for my family. I now look back and see how God provided over and over again during that time period. Not working actually saw my faith strengthen because I saw that God was with me and provided food and clothing for my family.
  8. 4 points
    Had a pretty good service yesterday. Numbers were down a little, only had 13 present. But good freedom to preach. One of my regulars is a 70 year old cowboy who was raised a catholic. He's rougher than a cob, but really supports us, listens intently to every sermon and keeps coming back. Every single Sunday. We went out to his place to work some horses yesterday afternoon, and he told my son Will to flag a colt in the round pen while he and I went and visited in patio chairs against the barn. It turns out he had more questions that had been bugging him. Questions about the validity of cofessionals, rasaries and praying using written catholic prayers. He's seeing the difference between the simple grace and liberty of the gospel as I preach it, and the bondage he grew up with. He not a practicing catholic, hasnt been anything but a rough ol' sinner for many, many years. But until now, that was all he knew of God. Seeds dont spring up and bear fruit overnight. They need to be nutured, watered and waited patiently for until God gives the increase.
  9. 3 points
    Boris Johnson is in St Thomas' Hospital. That is where i was born. He has handed some powers to his deputy. We pray for his recovery. Please pray for our NHS. Thousands of retired doctors and nurses had volunterted to return to work. Meanwhile here is one nurse asking for prayers.
  10. 3 points

    The light of the world

    The news has always been filled with doom and gloom, but due to the events of the past few months, the doom and gloom seems to have inundated every aspect of life. Recently I have read articles explaining that some people are so unable to cope with enforced isolation that they have taken their own lives. The articles warn that similar cases will increase before this current epidemic has been brought under control and life returns to normal. Unfortunately many churches/pastors have embraced this doom and gloom mentality, their only focus seems to be on what has been lost due to the church doors being shut. They seem to be spinning in circles, unable to help themselves, their congregations, or their community. This ought not to be. Matthew 5:14-16 14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Jesus said that we Christians are a light to the world. This should be at all times, not just the good when the church doors are open, but every day of the week. Especially in times like this when confusion has taken hold of everyone. Peoples lives have been shaken upside down and many are without hope. Now, more than ever, our communities need to see the light of Jesus. They need hope and encouragement. In today's Sunday school lesson, we read from Romans chapter twelve. In this chapter, Paul lists several things Christians should be doing, and it was a great reminder to me that Christians today need to be reading this chapter and pray about what they can do to be a help to others. Romans 12 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: 5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; 7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; 8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness. 9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. 10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; 11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; 12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; 13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality. 14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. 15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. 16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. 17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. 18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. 20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. So, based on Romans 12, what can YOU do today, tomorrow, the next day.... to be a help and a blessing to: your family, your church, your community? I'd like this thread to be filled with positive ways we can be a light to the world, whether we are stuck in our houses or whether we are still able to move around and interact with people. You can list anything that you're doing personally, or what your church family is doing, or your community is doing. Here are some positive things I've seen people doing: how-to videos on how to use youtube how-to videos on how to make masks recording themselves singing uplifting songs and posting to social media sites making boxed lunches/delivering groceries or other supplies for those unable to leave their homes singing for the community on front lawns or from balconies This is just a short list of things I've seen today. If I dig through the various social media sites I'm a part of, I could find many more. But, I just wanted to encourage everyone here to think of ways you can be light to the world. And if you're one of those needing help, please ask. We may not be able to personally help, but we may be able to reach out in other ways. Please remember you are not alone and are loved.
  11. 3 points

    The beauty of creation

    Just a little taste of the beauty of rural Missouri. The tree in the background is a, "Flowering Cleveland Pear Tree." The pond is just one of the many thousands that dot the landscape of Missouri.
  12. 3 points

    Jehovah's Witness

    There is a difference in telling the truth in boldness and being sarcastic/rude. Jesus was never the latter.
  13. 3 points
    "Not forsaking the assembling of yourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." Hebrews 10:25 Yes, 360Watt is correct. Some churches are sitting farther apart in the sanctuary, some are assembling outside on chairs, some churches are meeting in drive-in theatres, some have loudspeakers on the outside of the church, some are creative in other areas, some have put up a tent; but all are assembling. Have you noticed that all of the news media are focusing on only Christian churches in the religious realm. Not one word, at least on the main media, or on the front page, is focused on what the Muslims, or Buddhist temples, are told to do. Only the churches, so it seems, is forced into an internet setting. the politicians, as a whole, will not mention putting any restrictions on the Muslims nor the Buddhist Temples. It almost seems like the politicians are forcing churches, or bullying, or intimidating, churches to go on a online setting. Do you know that a lot of small churches cannot afford an church web site? do you know how much money a website costs to start? to maintain? Or, they are fearful of Facebook? I do not care for Facebook nor neither do a lot of other saints care for Facebook. I am not against Facebook, nor any other technological setting, but folks are using the internet to forsake the assembling together and the politicians are using the virus situation to force, or bully, or intimidate, churches from assembling. I did create a YouTube Channel, and a website for our church in Taiwan, and am now in the process of creating another website for my books, So, I am not against these technological advances for the ministry; but, I do not want that to replace the saints "gathering together."
  14. 3 points

    Social Distancing

    My granddaughter who is 11 on April 1st, has had to cancel her birthday party and asked if we could have family conference call on WhatsApp instead. My sister who will be 80 on 7th April has had to cancel her celebrationsas well.Her eldest son . He has written: As many as possible bring cakes with candles on and between them we could have 80 candles for mum to 'blow out' - feel free to do that if you can/want, and at the end we can all sing happy birthday, As many as possible to send me photos in advance - these need to either include a photo of mum or a picture of an event that took place during her life time - the critical thing is that you must know the year of the photo/event; you don't need to tell me but we will use the photos for a quiz on the day so then you can reveal the year once we have all had a chance t guess it. He hasn't said what platform he would be using . We usually use Messenger or WhatsApp. We stopped using Skype because the others give a more reliable service.
  15. 3 points

    Social Distancing

    My wife and I, driving down the road the other day, observing the speed limit, albeit sitting close together (we are still in love ), when I was stopped by the local Mayor (in these trying times the local officials, governors, etc... make the rules), and he gave me a ticket, and a scolding, for not enough distance between my wife and I!
  16. 3 points

    Social Distancing

    That's what I preached on last Sunday, my first week going streaming for the first time, so we were...separated!
  17. 3 points

    Social Distancing

    Yep, I wouldn't want my computer to catch anything I had either, no viruses or bugs to make it sick. Should I wear a mask while using my computer?
  18. 3 points
    Luke 10:42 How many things are needed? "ONE THING" or "A FEW THINGS"? Bible Babble Buffet at its Best. King James Bible - Luke 10:42 - But ONE THING IS NEEDFUL: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.” NASB 1963-1977 editions - “But ONLY A FEW THINGS ARE NECESSARY, REALLY ONLY ONE, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.” NASB 1995 edition - “But ONLY ONE THING IS NECESSARY, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.” NIV 1973, 1978 and 1982 editions - "BUT ONLY ONE THING IS NEEDED. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken from her." NIV 2011 edition - "BUT FEW THINGS ARE NEEDED - OR INDEED ONLY ONE. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken from her." Did you notice that both the NASB and the NIV changed THE TEXT from one edition to another, AND that they REVERSED THEIR CHOICES? What is going on here in Bible Babble Buffet Land? This section of Luke tells of the time when Jesus came to the house of Martha and Mary, and Martha was cumbered with much serving and Mary sat at the feet of Jesus and heard his word. In Luke 10:42, after Jesus told Martha that she was careful and troubled about many things, he says: "But ONE THING IS NEEDFUL: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her." The one thing that is needful is to sit at the feet of Jesus, to hear his words, and be in fellowship with him. "BUT ONE THING is needful” The "But one thing is needful" is the reading found not only in the Majority of all manuscripts and the TR, but also of P45 and P75, both of which predate the vaunted Sinaiticus and Vaticanus. It is also found in Alexandrinus, C original, E, F, G, H, K, M, P, S, U, V, Gamma, Delta, Theta, Lambda, Pi, Psi. And it is the reading of the Old Latin aur, f, g1, q, the Syriac Peshitta, Curetonian, Harclean, Coptic Sahidic and Vulgate ancient versions. "BUT ONE THING is needful" is the reading of Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the Revised Version 1881, the ASV of 1901 (the highly praised precursor to the NASB), the RSV, NRSV, ESV, NKJV, Holman, Common English Bible and Dan Wallace's 2006 NET version. But in the NASBs of 1963, 1972 and 1977 we read instead: "FEW THINGS ARE NECESSARY, REALLY ONLY ONE." This ridiculous reading comes from the Vaticanus manuscript. The Siniaticus goes back and forth, being corrected three times in this one phrase alone. First Sinaiticus actually read ὀλίγων δέ ἐστιν ἢ ἑνὸς = "but few things are the one" (Deep, huh?) Then a scribe changed it to read like the Majority text; and then another scribe changed it back again to read like Vaticanus. Also reading this way are the Jehovah Witness New World Translation 1961 and the 2013 J.W. Revision which say: “A FEW THINGS THOUGH ARE NEEDED, OR JUST ONE. For her part, Mary chose the good portion.” The Amplified bible of 1987 still non-sensically reads: “THERE IS NEED OF ONLY ONE THING OR BUT A FEW THINGS. Mary has chosen the good portion”. Rotherham’s Emphasized bible 1902 read this way - “OF FEW THINGS, IS THERE NEED, OR, OF ONE; Mary, in fact, hath chosen, the good part,” as does the Lexham English Bible of 2012 - “But FEW THINGS ARE NECESSARY, OR ONLY ONE THING, for Mary has chosen the better part” But the NASB update of 1995 has reversed itself, and now reads as the KJB and the NIVs EARLIER EDITIONS and the ESV. Why? Not because of any new manuscript evidence recently come to light; they simply changed their minds. The Catholic versions have done the same thing. The early Douay-Rheims of 1610 and the 1950 Douay followed the Traditional texts and read like the KJB - “But ONE THING IS NEEDFUL, and Mary hath chosen that good part”. But then the 1968 Jerusalem bible and the 1985 New Jerusalem bible followed the Vaticanus reading and read: “FEW THINGS ARE NEEDED, INDEED ONLY ONE.” But now the 2009 Catholic Public Domain Version has also gone back to the Traditional reading and once again says: “And yet ONLY ONE THING IS NECESSARY. Mary has chosen the best portion” Likewise the Nestle-Aland Critical Greek texts have changed over the years. Westcott and Hort originally went with the nonsensical reading ὀλίγων δέ ἐστιν χρεία ἢ ἑνός, which is not even grammatically correct and literally is “few things is necessary the one”. So also did the Nestle 4th edition 1934 and the Nestle 21st edition 1975. I have hard copies of both of these and this is how their critical text reads. But not even the RV, ASV or even the RSV were that far gone that they actually followed this absurd reading found in their own critical Greek text editions. The first major translation to adopt it and put it in their text was the NASB in 1963 and the NASB stuck with it through 7 different editions until 1995. Then sometime later they changed the Nestle-Aland, UBS critical texts and they now read as does the KJB with “ἑνὸς δέ ἐστιν χρεία = “but one thing is necessary.” But wait! There is more. The NIVs 1973, 1978 and 1984 editions had it right. The read: "BUT ONLY ONE THING IS NEEDED. Marry has chosen what is better." But now that the UBS/Nestle-Aland critical Greek texts have changed their reading to the correct one, which reads this way, the NEW NIV 2011 edition has come out, and now gone with the OLD Vaticanus reading the the critical text editors and the NASB just got done correcting. The New NIV of 2011 now reads: "BUT FEW THINGS ARE NEEDED - OR INDEED ONLY ONE. Mary has chosen what is better."!!! So the critical text promoters have abandoned in this place their beloved "oldest and best" manuscripts, all in the name of "the science” of Textual Criticism, don’t ya know. The question remains - Which NASB or which NIV was inspired and inerrant? The first 7 editions of the NASB from 1963 to 1977 or the 1995 update? Or the first three editions of the NIV, or this latest one done in 2011 where it doesn't even follow the late$t $cholarly Finding$? Well, actually, there is NO NASB or NIV user who believes their ever-changing versions are the inspired and infallible words of God. The 1995 NASB update changed 20,000 words and deleted another 8000 words from the previous 1977 NASB edition. This is not fantasy. I have the book Double Jeopardy, by Lawrence M. Vance, that documents in black and white every change that has taken place between these two different editions of the NASB. What we see among these bogus bible versions that are based on the ever changing Nestle-Aland/UBS/Vatican critical Greek texts (both the “Evangelical” NASB, ESV, NIV, and the modern Catholic versions) is the fact that they have no settled Scripture. What may be fa$hionable $cholar$hip today, will change with the wind tomorrow. And their so called “oldest and best manuscripts”, that these new Vatican Versions are based on, are in fact among the most corrupt in existence. Get yourself the King James Holy Bible and “meddle not with them that are given to change” - Proverbs 24:21
  19. 3 points

    My Own Traveling Singing Group

    The Lord has blessed me with opportunities to travel through out the Northeast preaching at different Churches and Baptist Colleges. Due to the virus all my recent meetings have been cancelled, but I'm looking forward to starting up again when this is over. Anyways, I recently (3 weeks ago) took my girls and one of our church teens with me to preach at Vision Baptist College in NJ to look at the school and sit in on classes. While I was there to preach I figured I'd let the girls sing in chapel. The girl playing the piano & the girl on the right are my daughters, and the girl on the left is a teen that was saved on our bus ministry and is looking at attending a good Bible college.
  20. 3 points
    I agree with your approach. Below is a copy-and-paste of the posting I just put on our church facebook page. "We are continuing to have our regular scheduled services during this trying time, as our numbers are well below the threshold recommended. However, we will be not be meeting after the service for our weekly church-wide Sunday dinner until further notice. All of life is a balance. And we get in trouble when we get out of balance in one direction or another. God is not a God of fear, and those who live a life of faith need to fear nothing. We believe that God will lead us through the storms that we must face, and around the storms he does not intend for us. However, this does not excuse heedless recklessness. We are commanded all the way back in Exodus, in the 10 commandments, to not tempt God. One of Satan's temptations of Christ in the New Testament was just that, to do something physically foolish and expect the Father to rescue him. Jesus' response was to quote that commandment "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God". So we, as Christians, must follow this path in life. We do not live a life dictated by fear, but nor do continue in arrogant, religious foolishness to stubbornly continue on a path that is unwise, and tempts the Lord our God. Be secure, be sane and love God."
  21. 3 points

    Making America Great Again

    I do keep abreast of the news in China (Communist), Taiwan (Free China), and Hong Kong. President Trump, many times, in order to assure the world that the United States is a free Republic (Democratic), has stood up to the communist leaders. President Trumps actions, not just words, is good for America and our ideals that our Founding Fathers set forth in the Constitution. https://www.thenewamerican.com/print-magazine/item/34946-hong-kongers-heroic-fight In the article is the following quote, "President Donald Trump is the first occupant of the White House since the communists came to power in China in 1949 to reverse the suicidal policies of the United States vis-à-vis China. Having already hit the Beijing regime with tariffs and put them on notice that the United States would not continue ignoring their closed markets, huge subsidies to Chinese corporate “champions,” and violations of intellectual property rights, President Trump also signaled that he wouldn’t follow the Bush example of looking the other way if China chose to send the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) into the streets of Hong Kong as it did at Tiananmen 30 years ago." In my understanding, President Trump, and his stand against the communists, is good for America and the freedom that we enjoy.
  22. 3 points
    We have not cancelled our services as of yet. I encouraged our members last night to watch our midweek service on our live stream, instead we had a larger than normal crowd by far and we did not do some pickups. Granted we are a church plant so its not like we had hundreds of people. I know I'll probably get ridiculed for having the doors open at this time, but we are taking precautions and just doing what we believe God is telling us to do at this time. I will not criticize any pastor that closes the doors and goes online only during this time. I believe they are doing what they feel is God telling them what to do, that's the nice thing about being Independent.
  23. 3 points
    Update. The government have now given their new advice and it is not as bad as we were given to believe. Those of us over 70 have been advised top self isolate for 12 weeks. They may introduce penalties if people don't comply. I have been told that Iceland stores are setting 2 hours, 9-11am tomorrow exclusively for those who are self isolating. I spoke to our pastor this morning and said we would stay at home and listen to the services online for the immediate future and he agreed. He is considering what to do about services and will consult with members. It is my birthday on Saturday and I was planning to take our family to a meal at the Everest Inn, a Nepalese which is popular with the family, but I will need to put that off.
  24. 3 points
    I too live in WA. My wife has been working part-time in the school as a teacher's aid, and that ends today for a while. There has been no evidence of the panic reported in other areas here in SE Washington, for which I am greatful. Our church is growing, but still very small. We had 18 in attendance yesterday. We will not be canceling services at this time, but will fully support and encourage those who are deciding to stay home for a time. We actually had a visitor, an elderly man in a wheelchair. I preached on not letting fear run your life, but balancing that with being wise and not tempting God.
  25. 3 points
    Here in England all sports events have been cancelled, Our local elections have been put off from May till May next year. Over 70's have been told to self isolate for 2 weeks, but it seems it may be extended to mandatory self isolation for 4 months with a £1,000 fins if you don't comply. Shelves in many stores are emptying of toilet rolls and long lasting foods. I saw a report on the news today in which they visited a street market to ask about shortages. One stall had a sign "Spend £10 and get a free toilet roll." Our church has had services as normal, although I haven't been for two weeks as both my wife and I have had sore throats and been coughing a lot and are supposed to be self isolating if we show any of those symptoms. It was our Sunday Schoolprizegiving this afternoon and it went ahead as usual. Our previous church was closed today as the visiting preacher who was travelling from a distance, called and said he had just had a call to say that someone he spent an evening with a day or two before had been tested positive and was told it was better for him to return home because it would be better for him to be ill there than away from home. A member of the church said he would preach today, but be suddenly got a very high temperature and several leaders of the church had been with him just before, they cancelled the Sunday services and are all self isolating. It is a very small church. My wife and I are both self isolating as we are both over 80. We are not looking forward to being confined for 4 months. Although I can spend time on my allotment which is just through a gate at the bottom of our garden.
  26. 3 points
    I'm curious as to who said they aren't "allowed" to hold services. As far as I can see, the NJ dept of health is only recommending the cancellations of gatherings of 250 people or more, not requiring the cancellation, churches aren't even on the list of things to avoid, although it's implied for larger churches. And if the church has live streaming, as larger churches commonly do, there's no need to "not be allowed" to hold services, people can watch from home. Seriously, in light of how much people are either panicking or outright denying there even is an epidemic, staying home seems to be the better plan. https://www.nj.gov/governor/news/news/562020/approved/20200312a.shtml I doubt that. They're just trying to stop an epidemic from spreading, and the best way to do that is to limit social gatherings, of all kinds. Major sporting events are being cancelled as well and you should hear the uproar over that, people love their sport ball. People are balking at being regulated, I don't see much of people quietly letting it happen. Will some governments try to take advantage of the epidemic? Probably. But it really is also common sense to stay away from large gatherings when contagious sickness (of any kind) is going around, but people in these days don't appear to have the common sense to self regulate themselves. This panic over tissue paper is a perfect example. People panic and don't think. The government steps in to regulate or try to control the panic and people panic more because they believe their liberties are being taken away. So the circle of panic continues. What to do? Trust God. Pray for wisdom. Use the common sense He gave us. Try not to spread articles that lead to panic - misinformation is rampant on social media sites being spread by the media, regular people, and Christians alike, so be careful about what you're reading, try to find the source of something that concerns you. Stay informed about what's actually happening in your area, don't give in to gossip. II Timothy 1:7 "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."
  27. 3 points
    Not allowed, eh? That right there concerns me a whole lot more than any health danger. Our governments are using this as an excuse to test severe restriction of liberties, and the people are letting them.
  28. 3 points
    Folks getting nuts is a very apt observation.
  29. 3 points
    What I dont understand is the treating of the issue as heresy. Yes, I believe that the post-trib rapture view is incorrect, but does every difference of opinion over doctrine have to be treated as actual heresy? When we do this, it weakens the charge against actual, serious heresy, like denying the divinity of Christ, the resurection or or the second coming. No one is denying anythig, just disagreeing on the timing of it all. Is wisdom not, in part, learning to pick our battles?
  30. 3 points
    Just to let everyone know, Ronda passed away last month. She was a faithful servant of God to the very last, defending the faith with her whole heart. If ever I am in the same situation, I pray I am able to face it with the same grace and peace that she did.
  31. 3 points

    The KJVO myth

    Moderator me: Robycop, I will remind you that this is a KJV site, and that all members are asked to respect that when posting. In light of that, I feel that this entire thread is in bad taste. Tread cautiously. Me me: I don't think I'm 'KJVO' (because that view usually involves dual inspiration), but I am TRO. However, I am unaware of any modern translations that compare in quality and reliability. The 'updated' translations are based on faulty texts, with poor translation techniques (think dynamic equivalency) from far less learned scholars than were involved in the translation of the KJV. How can God approve of translations that take away from His Word (wasn't there a curse about that somewhere?). Personally, I think that the English language is increasingly being dumbed down. It used to be a lot richer - a richness we've lost - and I see no reason to allow modern laziness as an excuse for not using the KJV. People may need explaining the first time round, but they will be wiser and richer for it in future.
  32. 2 points
    Will Kinney

    John 6:11 Who fed the 5000?

    John 6:11 KJB - “And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed TO THE DISCIPLES, AND THE DISCIPLES to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.” ESV (NASB, NIV, NET, Jehovah Witness NWT, Catholic Douay, St. Joseph NAB, New Jerusalem bible) - “Jesus then took the loaves, and when he had given thanks, he distributed them to those who were seated. So also the fish, as much as they wanted.” All of the other passages found in the synoptic gospels show that Jesus first gave the loaves of bread to the DISCIPLES and they, in turn, distributed to the multitude of people. Matthew 14:19 - “And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves TO HIS DISCIPLES, AND THE DISCIPLES to the multitude.” Mark 6:41 - “And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves, and GAVE THEM TO THE DISCIPLES TO SET BEFORE THEM; and the two fishes divided he among them all.” Luke 9:16 - “Then he took the five loaves and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed them, and brake, and GAVE TO THE DISCIPLES TO SET BEFORE THE MULTITUDE.” In John 6:11 the traditional reading of the Reformation bibles in all languages is that Jesus distributed “TO THE DISCIPLES, AND THE DISCIPLES” to them that were set down” (τοις μαθηταις οι δε μαθηται) This is the reading found not only in the Majority of all remaining manuscripts but also in Sinaiticus correction, D, Theta, Psi, f13, the Old Latin b, e and j. P66, P75, Vaticanus, A and a few others omit the words “to the disciples, and the disciples”. Wilbur Pickering says that 97% of the Greek manuscripts read like the King James Bible does and that the omission of the words is just a case of what is called “homoioarcton” or “same beginning”. What most likely happened is that the eyes of some scribe skipped from the word “the” (τοις) to the next word “the” (τοις), and thus the words were accidentally omitted, and then others copied from this deficient manuscript. You can see how this could easily happen by looking at the Greek text which reads: “διεδωκεν τοις μαθηταις οι δε μαθηται τοις ανακειμενοις” “He distributed TO THE disciples and the disciples TO THE ones that were set down.” Agreeing with the reading found in the King James Bible are Tyndale 1524, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew’s bible 1549, the Bishops’ bible 1568, the Geneva bible 1587, Beza’s N.T. 1599, Wesley’s N.T. 1755, Worsley N.T. 1770, Haweis N.T. 1795, Young’s 1898, the NKJV 1982, The Amplified Bible 1987, The World English Bible, The Majority Text Version (Esposito), The Koster Scriptures 1998 - “and having given thanks He distributed them to the taught ones, and the taught ones to those, sitting down", . Complete Apostle’s bible 2005, Jubilee Bible 2010, New Heart English bible 2010, The Hebrew Names Bible 2014 - “he distributed to the talmidim, and the talmidim to those who were sitting down”, Wilbur Pickering New Testament, the Modern English Version 2014, the New Matthew Bible 2016 and The Passion 2017. Foreign Language Bibles = KJB Reading like the KJB with “to the disciples, and the disciples” are the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras 1569, Cipriano de Valera 1602 and the Reina Valera 1960-1995, the Italian Diodati 1649 and the New Diodati 1991 - “li distribuì a’ discepoli”, the French Martin Bible 1744 and the French Ostervald 1996 and the French Louis Segond 2007 - “il les distribua aux disciples”, the Portuguese A Biblia Sagrada and the Portuguese Almeida Corrigida - “discpulos, e os discpulos”, The Russian Synodal Version - “ученикам, а ученики”, Luther’s German bible 1545 and the German Schlachter Bible 2000 - “den Jüngern aus, die Jünger aber denen”, the Hungarian Karoli Bible - “adta a tanítványoknak, a tanítványok”, The Polish Gdansk Bible 2013 - “rozdał uczniom, a uczniowie siedzącym”, and The Romanian Cornilescu bible 2014 - “le-a împărţit ucenicilor, iar ucenicii le-au împărţit celor ce şedeau jos”. The Modern Greek Translation - “Και ελαβεν ο Ιησους τους αρτους και ευχαριστησας διεμοιρασεν εις τους μαθητας, οι δε μαθηται εις τους καθημενους· ομοιως και εκ των οψαριων οσον ηθελον.” And The Modern Hebrew Bible - ויקח ישוע את ככרות הלחם ויברך ויתן לתלמידיו והתלמידים אל המסבים וככה גם מן הדגים כאות נפשם׃ Once again it comes down to the difference between the Reformation Bibles versus the Vatican Versions that nobody seriously believes are the inerrant words of God.
  33. 2 points
    Due to equipment limitations, we're a little beyond that decision.
  34. 2 points
    Fear is a powerful tool and especially dangerous in the wrong hands, like government. Fear can and does affect individual lives and liberties and has a great negative impact of society on a broad scale. I refuse to live in fear. I believe in being careful, responsible, and reasonable, but fear I will not tolerate. II Timothy 1:7 "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."
  35. 2 points
    The individuals that are against the Constitution of the United States, the liberals, the Globalist, the Communists, the Atheists, Socialists, Deep-State elites, and most, not all, of the Democrats, the haters of the church, will use any method, including the COVID-19 pandemic to get rid of President Trump. As we speak, Congresswoman Pelosi and Schiff, has started another committee (or more correctly, a witch hunt), to investigate the COVID-19 pandemic, with subpoena powers of course, to find any fault, and mistake, and miss-spoken word, any nonfactual information that President Trump has spoken, or did, in order to try and impeach President Trump a second time. So, yes, the Globalists, along with many other individuals, Senators, Congressmen & Congresswomen, and others, are using the COVID-19 pandemic to get rid of President Trump.
  36. 2 points
    Well, I do not believe tithing is a NT principle in the first place, but giving definitely is, so I will approach from that perspective: As far as, should Christians keep giving? Absolutely! As we are prospered, so we ought to give to God's work. Of course, those out of work, on furloughs, laid-off, etc, well, see to your family first; many are out of work so they cannot be expected to continue. Church expenses should be a bit down for buildings, in power usage and without normal activities, but I also know utility companies and mortgage companies are being told to give breaks during this time, as well. This is also a good time for believers to practice helping one another, as those who are still working should help see to the needs of those members who cannot right now. This is also a basic Bible principle. Brethren in need, don't hide your needs from those who are still doing alright-we need to know your plight if we are to help. Brethren who are still working, time to put basic NT tenets to work! Don't be stingy with what God prospers you with.
  37. 2 points


    Did I miss something?
  38. 2 points

    Grace abounds

    The great thing about Jesus' forgiveness and grace, is that the ENTIRE work has already been finished, long before you ever knew the Saviour. On the cross, Jesus paid for ALL sin, and when you came to Him in repentance of your sin, and sought to be forgiven and saved, ALL that forgiveness was applied to ALL your sin, past, present and future. But let's deal with your prayer issue for a moment, since that seems at the center of your concern. I suspect it isn't quite as bad as you believe it to be, because the Lord IS faithful to answer prayer. Now, why might He NOT answer prayer? Well, (and mind you, I make no judgments on you because I know nothing of your life), the Lord won't answer our prayers if we are dwelling in sin, if there is unrepented-of sin in our lives. David says "If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:" So it is important that we see any sin dealt with as soon as we know it is there. And will God forgive every one, even if we go to Him time and again? Absolutely! "If we confess our sin he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin..." Remember, Jesus told Peter and His disciples that if our brother sins against us and repents, we are to forgive them, even to 70x7 times, each day! If we take that literally, it is 490 times each day, we are to forgive one another, so if the Lord expects us sinners to be that forgiving, how much MORE does HE forgive? Second, if a man doesn't treat his wife right, the Lord won't hear his prayers. 1Pe 3:7 "Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered." So if there are issues in your marriage you're not seeing to in a godly manner, it will hinder your prayers. Finally, if we ask outside of His will, we can depend that it will not be answered, or not in the affirmative. And of course, make sure your salvation! Are you certain you're saved? What is your salvation testimony? There are many who believe themselves to be saved, who are trusting the wrong things, and are not saved. So make sure there first. As for a job, it may be you will need to go somewhere where there is a job available. Or maybe the Lord has a ministry He wants you for, and you haven't submitted to His will on that, but are running away, maybe thinking yourself not worthy, not ready-I was there, and yes, my jobs suffered when I ran. When you are asking from God, consider first, What are you doing for God? Again, none of this is meant to be critical, judgmental or anything, because I don't know anything about your life-I am just going to basic biblical principles and hoping maybe something helps.
  39. 2 points
    John Young

    In Great Need of Work!

    I suggest you read the letter of James in the Bible and take it to heart. Don't play games with your faith, as you won't please or amuse God. Either believe or don't and don't base your faith off of what you can get form God because a half hearted believer or those who are self serving will get nothing. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+1&version=AKJV
  40. 2 points
    In the interest of Independent Baptist fellowship, a place to interact with other Independent Baptists and in deference to BroMatt's Board Rules which state this: ""We will not allow the following a) Bashing of other message boards. b) Bashing of your pastor or church. ** Online Baptist is a place for fellowship, disagreements you may have with others should not be handled here. c) Members that come just to argue doctrine instead of fellowship. I am going to lock this thread. This is an attempt to start anew, so please, if anyone wants to discuss the timing of the raptures, start another thread after first searching to see if there is a already a thread on this subject that you can reply to.
  41. 2 points
    Jordan Kurecki

    In Great Need of Work!

    I almost said basically the same. People need to realize that God doesn't behave according to their preconceived ideas. As one person said “we have no right to expect or believe something that God never promised or said”... God has not promised that people would be happy or rich or never without work or trying times, he HAS promised that all who believe the Gospel will be saved from hell and that He will take care of the financial/material needs of anyone who seeks to do HiS will!
  42. 2 points
    He would NOT be. In my opinion, the idea that the Holy Spirit is presented as being removed from the earth altogether in any manner is a false view of this passage.
  43. 2 points

    Scientific Facts in the Bible.

    Brethren, In my current project to put his study in PDF form, and since the the time I made this lesson, I read the book, "The Twilight of Evolution," by Dr. Henry Morris. I am going to add this quote, found on page 71, concerning the water, or hydrologic, cycle of the earth, by Dr. Morris to this lesson, " Waters are evaporated from the oceans (Psalm 33:7), carried inland by the winds (Ecclesiastes 1:6) caused to encounter particles of dust and sea salt to serve as nuclei of condensation (Proverbs 8:26), condense into liquid water droplets in the form of clouds, (Job 26:8), which in turn under the proper conditions coalesce and fall as rain (Job 36:27-28), providing water for maintenance of life on the earth (Isaiah 55:10), and finally return by the rivers to the oceans from which they come (Ecclesiastes 1:7)." The scientific accuracy of the scriptures is amazing! God Bless! Alan
  44. 2 points
    As far as I know, David Cloud is not on this site. You'll have to ask him yourself. /tongue-in-cheek Seriously, DaveW, let's give it a break on the whole defending-David-Cloud bit. No one's out to attack him. The church and the subject were brought up by another member; UkeMike is just continuing the discussion on tribulational doctrine in the churches. Can we focus on that, please?
  45. 2 points

    Announcement of impending physical death

    Thank you for informing us of the passing of Ronda. Her life, testimony, writings, both in public and in private, were a personal blessing, and an encouragement, to my wife and I and I am sure to many folks not only on Online Baptist but in other places as well. "For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain." Philippians 1:21 As we speak, Ronda is in heaven, in the presence of the Lord Jesus, and is rejoicing as one day all of us will be.
  46. 2 points
    Thank you for this update Rebecca. Although this announcement is sad in many respects, it is also a reassurance that Ronda is now in the loving presence of her Lord and Savior. Free from pain and the ravages of this life, she is now living the life we all look forward to and actually able to at last realize the promises that God has made. I, for one am thankful for her life as well as her dedication, perseverance, love, and willingness to share her faith and life's work with others. Her writings were always a blessing to me.
  47. 2 points
    weary warrior

    The KJVO myth

    His original post on this thread will be a year old tomorrow, and was basically already dead with no responses until yesterday. It does seem a little pointless to revive it for the sole purpose of just killing it again. It's dead, let it be dead, and let the dead bury their dead. Where there is no fuel, the fire goeth out.
  48. 2 points
    Brother Cloud, in the https://www.wayoflife.org/database/ruckman.html article, has this conclusion. "CONCLUSION While I have serious problems with Dr. Ruckman, I also have serious problems with many of his detractors. Many of Peter Ruckman’s most bitter enemies are trying to discredit the idea that there is an authoritative Bible anywhere in the world. They have their own rotten agenda, undermining men’s faith in the preservation of God’s Word (in any practical sense) and attempting to pollute their minds with the strange, unscriptural, convoluted theories of modern textual criticism. “Who, then, can we trust?” some might be thinking? The Word of God says, “Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm ... Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is” (Jer. 17:5, 7). Man is defiled even at his best. Our confidence must be in Jesus Christ and in His eternal Word, and let no man shake your confidence in that."
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