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  1. 7 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Archaisms in the KJV.

    This argument is a "Straw Man" and meant to deflect answering a genuine opinion from someone else that views the subject differently. I've studied the qualifications and credits of the original translators and I will take their translation abilities over yours in a heartbeat. Oh, and I'll also take their ability in the form of the KJV. Please keep in mind, although I am certain you have; that this message forum is exclusively KJV and will remain so long after you have gone, as will my opinion. If you came here with the intention of changing it, or to cause trouble over our use of the KJV, you may as well give it up, you will not succeed.
  2. 6 points
    heartstrings

    Rough Times

    My son was involved in an accident, on one of our vehicles, and it looks like we will be sued. I can't go into details on here but sure could use some prayer. To compound that, it's lambing time, we have already lost 10 lambs. Then yesterday someone bought one of our pieces of skid steer/tractor equipment and, by the end of the day, severely damaged it, then stopped payment on our check. I sent their photo to the manufacturer and they said it was abused but I have received no word yet when a replacement part will be sent. I'm feeling pretty low.
  3. 6 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Goofs and booboos in the KJV.

    I must have a different KJV. I have been reading it for 44 years and have yet to find a goof or booboo.
  4. 6 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Goofs and booboos in the KJV.

    I'm just a simple guy, but I think I can see a parallel between what Mr. Roby zeros in on and other so called "pet theories". We have had those that have passed through before trying to set us straight with their pet theory ideas. We see this also outside of our forum. They are always the ones that cannot seem to focus on anything outside of one issue that takes up their whole thought processes. We've seen it here in the form of just one that I will mention out of the many, and that is with the former member SFIC who has been banned , his sole issue in any interaction with others was with the tithe. Out in the real world outside of the Internet these folks can be seen promoting their pet theories such as; women wearing pants; women should wear hats; men wearing beards; universal and local church; the tithe. Anyway you get the idea. Although it may be interesting for some who have never heard these theories and the valid arguments against them to read for the first time, the proponent of these pet theories is almost never convinced of the error of his or her ways and ends up being banned or just moving along to what they consider easier targets. So, having said all of that it leaves my simple mind to wonder if the Bible itself might address situations such as these. Pr 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself. Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; If any of what I have written seems uncharitable I would offer this: 2Tim 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
  5. 6 points
    They CANNOT be the same because they were translated from DIFFERENT textual families and through DIFFERENT viewpoints of textual philosophy. Any talk that the "modern translations" are simply an attempt to "modernize" the language of the King James translations is FALSEHOOD. They are not different because they use "modern, updated language." They are different because they were translated from a DIFFERENT SOURCE. So then, IF the SOURCE for the King James translation is truth, then by definition they must be falsehood. On the other hand, IF the SOURCE for the "modern translations" is truth, then by definition the King James translation is falsehood. As for myself, through the Biblical doctrine of preservation and its doctrinal details, I believe that the source for the "modern translations" is FALSEHOOD. Therefore, I will NOT respect them, but will OPPOSE them. I know that some would claim that a King James Only position is a myth because it does not have direct support from the Holy Scriptures. For me my King James positioning, in opposition to the "modern translations," is a doctrinal CONCLUSION that is BUILT UPON my understanding concerning the DOCTRING OF PRESERVATION. So, I would ask - IS THE BIBLICAL DOCTRINE OF PRESERVATION A MYTH?
  6. 6 points
    Matt Souza

    Why Large Families?

    While I understand what you are saying, God is bigger than you, myself and money in this area. If God wants someone to have a large family and the money is not there, God WILL provide. God has been known as the Lord who will provide (Genesis 22:14 & 2 Peter 1:11). Did it make sense for the Israelites to leave Egypt when they did not have enough water or food for the trip for the children? Did it make sense for Abraham to bring Isaac into the mountain for a sacrifice? Please don't limit God's ability. I dont think it's fair to make a blanket statement about what you've seen. I have seen what you have seen, and I also have seen God supply and take care of large families that had no financial way to take care of the kids, and I saw God provide and meet need after need. The quantity of kids is not a situation that is across the board. I must trust God in what He tells me, regardless of my bank account. GOD is bigger than anything.
  7. 6 points
    Salyan

    Steven Anderson

    Can you please show some respect for our beliefs already? You are a guest on this site. You aren’t required to agree with it (Re KJV), but you could be a bit more polite and stop throwing your “KJV myth” comments everywhere you possibly can.
  8. 5 points
    Jerry

    Sinking In The Mire

    Sinking In The Mire Jeremiah 38:6a Then took they Jeremiah, and cast him into the dungeon of Malchiah the son of Hammelech, that was in the court of the prison: and they let down Jeremiah with cords. The prophet Jeremiah's enemies gathered together against him, seeking to put him to death. As a result, he was cast into the dungeon, where he began to sink in the mire. Jeremiah 38:6b And in the dungeon there was no water, but mire: so Jeremiah sunk in the mire. Adversities and afflictions will often seem to rise against us, much like Jeremiah's enemies rose against him. Left with no firm footing, you may find yourself sinking in the mire of despair, overwhelmed and oppressed. In the midst of discouragement, your eyes fail you of tears, your voice chokes up and your cry to the gates of Heaven seems to come to no avail, and it becomes harder to look up to the Lord in hope. Psalms 69:1-3 Save me, O God; for the waters are come in unto my soul. I sink in deep mire, where there is no standing: I am come into deep waters, where the floods overflow me. I am weary of my crying: my throat is dried: mine eyes fail while I wait for my God. Isaiah 38:14a Like a crane or a swallow, so did I chatter: I did mourn as a dove: mine eyes fail with looking upward: But the Lord has not forsaken you, He has not forgotten you, He has not left you to face these trials alone or in your own strength. He is only waiting for you to cry out to Him in faith. Will you look to Him to deliver you from your trouble? Will you trust Him? The following quote from the book of Lamentations very likely expresses Jeremiah's prayer from this same dungeon, where he was literally sinking in the mire: Lamentations 3:52-56 Mine enemies chased me sore, like a bird, without cause. They have cut off my life in the dungeon, and cast a stone upon me. Waters flowed over mine head; then I said, I am cut off. I called upon thy name, O LORD, out of the low dungeon. Thou hast heard my voice: hide not thine ear at my breathing, at my cry. Isaiah 38:14b O LORD, I am oppressed; undertake for me. Psalms 56:3-4 What time I am afraid, I will trust in thee. In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me. Jeremiah 38:7-10 Now when Ebedmelech the Ethiopian, one of the eunuchs which was in the king's house, heard that they had put Jeremiah in the dungeon; the king then sitting in the gate of Benjamin; Ebedmelech went forth out of the king's house, and spake to the king, saying, My lord the king, these men have done evil in all that they have done to Jeremiah the prophet, whom they have cast into the dungeon; and he is like to die for hunger in the place where he is: for there is no more bread in the city. Then the king commanded Ebedmelech the Ethiopian, saying, Take from hence thirty men with thee, and take up Jeremiah the prophet out of the dungeon, before he die. Just like King Zedekiah sent his servant Ebedmelech to rescue Jeremiah from his affliction, so too will you find that the Lord God will send His servant (whatever He may choose, however He may choose - according to His will) to help you in your distress. (Note: the name Ebedmelech literally means "servant of the King".) When the mire seems the deepest and you are ready to give up, you will find your Heavenly Father is still at work behind the scenes, setting in motion the plan that will release you from your imprisonment. Psalms 91:14-16 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation. Lamentations 3:57-58 Thou drewest near in the day that I called upon thee: thou saidst, Fear not. O Lord, thou hast pleaded the causes of my soul; thou hast redeemed my life. Jeremiah 38:11-13 So Ebedmelech took the men with him, and went into the house of the king under the treasury, and took thence old cast clouts and old rotten rags, and let them down by cords into the dungeon to Jeremiah. And Ebedmelech the Ethiopian said unto Jeremiah, Put now these old cast clouts and rotten rags under thine armholes under the cords. And Jeremiah did so. So they drew up Jeremiah with cords, and took him up out of the dungeon: and Jeremiah remained in the court of the prison. Keep your focus on the Lord Jesus Christ, trust in Him and His Word - and like Jeremiah was drawn out of the mire of his prison, so too will you be drawn up out of the mire and the waters that have flooded your soul. Drawn With Cords Hosea 11:4a I drew them with cords of a man, with bands of love. Drawn From Above Psalms 18:16 He sent from above, he took me, he drew me out of many waters. Set Upon A Rock Psalms 40:1-3 I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD. Whatever the situation your are facing now, when it seems that your soul is sinking deep in the mire, look above - and let Jesus draw you up out of that prison of despair, and set your feet back upon the solid rock! Only in Him will you find the firm footing to face the trials of life. Love Lifted Me (Lyrics: James Rowe) I was sinking deep in sin, far from the peaceful shore, Very deeply stained within, sinking to rise no more, But the Master of the sea, heard my despairing cry, From the waters lifted me, now safe am I. Chorus: Love lifted me! Love lifted me! When nothing else could help Love lifted me! Souls in danger look above, Jesus completely saves, He will lift you by His love, out of the angry waves. He’s the Master of the sea, billows His will obey, He your Savior wants to be, be saved today. November 19th/05 Jerry Bouey http://www.earnestlycontending.com/ewministries/jerry/sinkinginthemire.html
  9. 5 points
    Salyan

    How do you explain the Holy Light?

    Lucian, I would like to challenge your approach to 'proving' what is heretical vs. authentic. Your post appears to suggest that you are allowing miracles to 'prove' truth. I would challenge you that truth should prove all things by itself. I assume you're Orthodox? I think we can establish a base that we can both agree with - that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God. God Himself inspired its writing, and the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost (2 Peter 1:21). Can we start with the agreement that the Bible is God's direct Word to mankind? As God is Holy, True and Perfect, so His Word is True. It cannot be anything but True. Therefore, we can judge all things by it. We are, in fact, instructed to prove all things; hold fast that which is true (1 Thess. 5:21). Consider: And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. (Acts 17:10-12) So we are told to look in the Bible to see if what we are taught by other sources is true. Consider also: For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Peter 1:16-21) Here Peter is referring to the Transfiguration described in Matthew 17. This was an amazing, miraculous event where the disciples not only saw Jesus as God in His glory, but also saw the great (dead) prophets speaking to Him! What an amazing sign and event this was - yet Peter tells us in this passage that the written Word of God (the Bible) is a more sure source of information and truth (i.e. prophecy) than that miraculous sign. The principle here is that the Bible is to be our first source of Truth - more so than any sign. We do see in the Bible where at different times, God used signs & wonders - especially in His dealing with the Jews. But that was never His primary form of communication. God sent prophets to tell His people His truth; many of those prophets He used to write down His Word in the Bible. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! (Matthew 23:37). Moreover, we are repeatedly warned that there will be false prophets, and false christs, that will use signs and wonders to deceive people: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders... (2 Thess. 2:9) And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many... Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. (Matthew 24:11, 23-25) (Mark 13:21-22) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast... (Rev. 13:11-14a) This last one specifically refers to fire being used as a false sign! Remember also, that in the time of the Exodus, the priests of the false Egyptian gods were able to recreate some of the miracles of the plagues. Satan is not without power, and uses that power to deceive people lest they believe in the true Gospel of God and be saved. And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the Lord had said. And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt. (Exodus 7:22; 8:17) This, then, is what the Bible says about all signs and wonders; that they must be proven by Scripture, that Scripture is always the final Word, and that they can be the work of false prophets and must not be implicitly trusted. Is this Holy Fire used to demonstrate the veracity of Orthodoxy? Then one must look at the doctrine of Orthodoxy. How does it compare to the Bible? Ephesians 2:5-6 says: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:Not of works, lest any man should boast. Is Orthodox doctrine in agreement with this? Does it agree with the teaching of Isaiah 53 and the rest of Scripture which teach that Christ is our substitutionary atonement - that God literally accepted His Death as sacrifice for sin in our stead? If not, you must reject the doctrines of men in favor of the teaching of the Word of God. Trying to worship God using the doctrines of men is vain. Look at Matthew 15:9 (But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men) and Mark 7:7; study Colossians 2 which warns about replacing the simple Gospel of faith in Jesus Christ's finished work alone for a works-based attempt at pleasing God. (which can never succeed: But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Isaiah 64:6) You had asked what I thought about the Holy Fire. First, my library training (I'm a Library Tech by education) teaches me not to trust a site that has an inherent interest in the subject. In other words, of course an Orthodox site will cite proof for this phenomenon. Any claim of scientific proof needs to be backed up by an impartial witness. Secondly, a quick Wikipedia search shows that this phenomenon has apparently been debunked by multiple individuals over the past millennium. Thirdly, (and actually the most important), since the Bible warns me of false teachers using miracles, and since I know Orthodox doctrine is not in line with the Bible, I honestly don't care whether it's an authentic miracle or a hoax. It could be a miracle of Satan, or it could be a hoax of the priests. Doesn't matter. I will trust the Bible, God's Word, as True and Truth and follow its teachings rather than that of the Orthodox church. Food for thought. I was not 'raised Baptist', rather as a born-again believer I choose to attend the Baptist church that I do because I believe its teachings align most closely with the Bible.
  10. 5 points
    John Young

    Goofs and booboos in the KJV.

    A selection of all the "Goofs and booboos" of the modernist movement in the ongoing process of trying to find and fix the Goofs and booboos.... I'm sure the'll get them all eventually...
  11. 5 points
    Matt Souza

    Archaisms in the KJV.

    I never put much weight into those who is against the KJV only when their only explanation is experience, common sense, & audience request. I'll put my faith and trust in God and His Word, not what man says. As to the original topic: While I believe the KJV is perfectly preserved for English speaking people, I do not have a problem with Archaic words being updated. Modern version failed because they have changed meaning of verses by re translating the verse.
  12. 5 points
    1Timothy115

    Cards For Randy DePriest

    LuAnne, (HappyChristian) gave me permission to post an address to send Randy get well wishes and to let him know people everywhere are praying for his speedy recovery. Please send the cards to his church, some of you may already have this address but here it is again: Pastor Randy DePriest c/o Lighthouse Baptist Church 108 Airport Road Port Townsend, WA 98368 I'm sure it will encourage Randy and the Church at Port Townsend.
  13. 5 points
    HappyChristian

    Hubs in the hospital...

    Yesterday Randy's INR made it to 1.9. This morning he called me at 8:30 to inform me that it had jumped to 2.4! The doctor was happy - and told him he was going to send him home today! He told him it wouldn't be til this evening because they had to shut off the heparin and they need to monitor things for a bit with that. The Lord's timing is interesting - this is the first Sunday of the month, so we have afternoon service following lunch, and no evening service (usually we go to the nursing home, but because Randy was in the hospital we had to cancel this month). So I talked to Randy about 3 pm. He told me the doctor said he could come home at 5. Yeehaw! Josh drove me to the hospital, and we got there at 4:55. I helped Randy get dressed and away we went! The hematoma is still there, and still causing him pain. But he is able to bend his leg a bit - and the horrible bruising has really been clearing up (his entire thigh was badly bruised). After 18 days away, Randy is home! The doctor is pretty optimistic that the warfarin is dissolving the DVT. He'll likely have an ultra sound some time soon just to be sure (at least I hope so!). He has to see his primary doctor as soon as possible, so we'll be calling for an appt tomorrow. They were testing his INR every day, but now it'll stretch a bit further. He goes in Tuesday for it and then again Friday. He was able to take a shower for the first time since the morning of Feb. 14. Boy, was he happy! And he didn't miss out on the cowboy baked beans I made for church today. I so appreciate your prayer. I would appreciate continued prayer that the DVT would dissolve and that the hematoma would continue to shrink as the muscle continues to heal. It's been so great to glance over at his chair and see him in it.
  14. 5 points
    Rebecca

    Old and unmarried

    I'm a woman, but figure I'll throw my two cents in. You're younger than I am, and I've been single, never dated, my whole life. My situation is different than yours, I lived in a highly Christian/Baptist saturated area, went to a Baptist Bible college and never met "the one". Now I'm dedicated to be a missionary to a country where it's very rare to bump into single Christian, Baptist, missionary men. I decided a long time ago that I would only be interested in a man who is also dedicated to being a missionary to the same country God called me to, knowing I'd probably never marry because of this. God has given me peace concerning this situation. Are there times where I feel lonely or sad that I may never marry? Yes, those feelings are only natural. But, again, God gives me peace of heart and I feel satisfied that God's will for my life, whether I marry or not, is the best way to live my life. For your situation, would you really rather marry someone who will probably physically abuse you and cheat on you with another woman? Is that security? Is that love? Will your life have any peace? Is it so bad to be a single woman that you would rather be abused? I just don't understand. Is there any way you could move to a less depraved city or country? Is something preventing you from moving? How did you become a Christian? Are there no other Christians or churches in the area who can help you? I beg you to turn to Christ for peace and security and not a man with empty promises. Please trust Christ. To answer your question: It is unacceptable for a believer to marry an unbeliever, even though it sadly happens all the time. II Corinthians 6:14-18 "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
  15. 4 points
    The technological revolution we’ve seen in our Baptist churches over the past 20 or so years is astounding. What’s even more remarkable is the speed at which technology in the church continues to improve and change the way some worship. A few years back having one projector screen was a revolutionary way to change worship. Now many worship services include multiple screens, concert-style stage lighting, websites, apps, live streaming, Computerized Child Check-In, Video Announcements, video-based curriculum, podcasts, and more. Of course, many churches do not use some (or any) of these technologies in their worship service. And, honestly, neither your church nor mine really need any of them to function as a church. There are countless churches all over the world with little to no technology that are fulfilling the great commission in ways that would put to shame some of the most technologically-driven Baptist churches. The shift that has taken place with technology is that it has been placed ahead of everything else. Technology should enhance worship, not replace it. Gone seems the days when Bibles are carried into church, the Bible is being replaced by phones and computers. However, technology can be useful and serve a function in our churches. Here are a few ways that technology can be used in our Baptist churches without compromising to the world. Of course, the use of technology and which ones we use, is dependent on the area that we are located in. Church Website: Long are the days when people look at the Yellow Pages for church. Before anyone steps into a church, there is a high probability that they looked you up online. Projectors & TV's: Video announcements, Bible Verses, Hymnal lyrics are a few ways where projectors/tv's can be used. Live Streaming: It's often been said that if you live stream people will stay home instead of coming to church. I've found the opposite to happen. Folks in the community seems to watch a service online before attending. With wachy churches out there it is a way of folks to screen the church. Social Media: The use of facebook and/or Instagram is a great way to get your community engaged. Proper use of Hashtags can help get folks in your community to learn about your church that never would have drove by or looked you up online. Getting your church on Google maps is another way where your church will show up on their phones as they use their gps to head to a location. The important thing is that the use of technology does not take priority over worship. The Word of God is the main focus. It seems that technology may be hindering spiritual growth in our Baptist churches. Whenever there is change there always is opposition. I've often wondered how much opposition was there when the piano was first brought into the church, or electricity. Probably the only modern thing that did not receive opposition was indoor plumbing. Please comment below what ways your church uses technology without compromise worship.
  16. 4 points
    Salyan

    Reply to Lust

    James, I think there are some wise mentors among the men here who may be able to help you with your struggle. However, a mixed forum is really not the best place to discuss this. May I suggest that you join the forum (as a member, not just a guest)? You can then continue this discussion in the men’s area.
  17. 4 points
    Matt Souza

    God will bless Assyria...

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I definitely don't speak that style of English or any style of English of any translation. Also, if I picked the Bible based upon my area's style, I would be using the ebonics Bible and it would have no grammatical structure, spelling errors, abbreviations, and not use complete sentences.
  18. 4 points
    Salyan

    Antichrist will come from

    I agree that that's how the term originated. However, by the New Testament times, and perhaps before, it was used both for traditional Judea, and for all Israel as a whole (particularly by outsiders). Example of the word 'Jew' used to refer to non-Judaic tribes: John 6:41,52 (Capernaum, Galilee) Examples of the word 'Jew' used to refer to corporate Israel: Matthew 2:2-6 (the wise men referred to the one that 'should rule Israel' as 'the King of the Jews') John 2:13; 5:1 (The Passover & feasts were not given only to Judah/Benjamin/Levi, but to all Israel) Romans 3:9, 29, 9:24; 1 Cor. 1:22-24; 10:32, 12:13 (Jews as opposed to Gentiles, which are commonly understood to be non-Israelitish peoples). Galatians 1:13-14 (Reference to the Jews religion - while centered in Jerusalem, it was never only a Judean religion) Basically any reference to synagogues or Jews in Asia or Europe. I think it's a stretch to assume that the only reference we have to those following Judaism or identified as Jews in these parts of the world were only from 3 tribes. Frankly, long before the New Testament times, I suspect that all the references in Esther to 'Jews' referred to them corporately. We know that many tribes were removed to Persia; are we to assume that the national identity was sustained in exile to such a great extent that they were not all affected by these events? All modern Jews - most of whom have no idea which tribe they are descended from - celebrate Purim just as all Jews were told to do in Esther 9. That's arguing from silence.
  19. 4 points
    Jerry

    Goofs and booboos in the KJV.

    Ditto Jim. On my part, it has only been 21-22 years of being Kjvonly (though leaning that way for several years before I actually started doing personal research on the matter). I especially focussed on Bible difficulties - and have never found an “error” that couldn’t be reconciled in some way - whether by studying out the exact English words of the passage or by comparing related passages. And inthe same manner, have proven over and over that other versions do have errors - whether by omissions creating a contradiction or difficulty or by reading the exact wording of that verse or passage in that modern version to see there is a conflict (and not finding the same error or conflict in the Kjv). For the record Robycop, it is one thing to prove there is an error and another thing to just say there is. Just because you disagree with how someone reconciles or explains a Bible difficulty does not prove there is actually one. You’ve already explained your issue with the word Easter in Acts 12, now list or show us the myriad other actual errors you have personally found - if in fact you have found some. I can guarantee that the believers in the authenticity of the Kjv here can defend the Kjv from all those supposed errors, and show from each passage or related passages that our King James Bible is not in error. Can you do that with your favourite modern Bible version(s)? If not, you are just creating more smokescreens and being a stumbling block to the faith of any believer following your philosophy. For someone who claims to love the Lord and His Word, that should be something that you would strive against. P.S. Hi Happy Christian. Good to “see” you again.
  20. 4 points
    Jim_Alaska

    How do you explain the Holy Light?

    Thank you Salyan, well thought out and said. Lucian, you would be well served to closely study what Salyan has written here. Please don't just read the words over quickly, but study them and compare them to Scripture.
  21. 4 points
    Rebecca

    Happy Birthday Online Baptist!

    This site is old enough to have a drivers license. They grow up so fast.
  22. 4 points
    DaveW

    Goofs and booboos in the KJV.

    (My last post was posted at the same time as Mr Roby, when it seemed as though he was ignoring the thread....) Oh my - the old Easter issue..... Have you READ the Bible sir? Acts 12 3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) 4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered himto four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. Notice in the text quoted above that vs 3 says he arrested Peter in the days of unleavened bread? That is somewhat significant, as the days of unleavened bread was the feast that directly followed the Passover feast. That means that the Day of Passover had already finished and sometime during the next 6 days Peter was arrested, during the days of unleavened bread. It may take some actual Bible study, but if you research the Passover and also the feast of unleavened bread you will see it is true. Therefore when Herod intended to bring forth Peter after Easter, it CANNOT POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN referring to the Passover, for that was already days past when Peter was arrested. Sure enough Easter as we know it today was not a known named event, but the pagan feast of harvest was certainly known, and at that time, and based on the harvest moons, just as Easter is today. The Translators, who were aware of the pagan feast and its alignment with modern Easter used the CORRECT term to distinguish the even from the Passover WHICH ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE TEXT, it could not have been, seeing the Passover was already days past, and it was now the time of the feast of unleavened bread. Any version that renders the word as passover rather than Easter is simply incorrect according to the Bible itself. Easter is the correct rendering, and in fact the only rendering that makes Biblical sense. Strike one, try again.
  23. 4 points
    DaveW

    Archaisms in the KJV.

    So the answer to that question is "No, we don't have a perfect translation today". And you use the version YOU BELIEVE is best......... Since you don't believe we have a perfect Bible available to us how DO YOU determine what is actually God's Word and what is "not right yet"?
  24. 4 points
    DaveW

    Archaisms in the KJV.

    You are right - there is not a person alive today who could rival the linguistic skills of many on the KJV translation panel. There is indeed a VAST difference.....
  25. 4 points
    DaveW

    Steven Anderson

    This website is a clearly stated KJV forum. Isn't it a somewhat disrespectful act to come to a clearly stated KJV website and attack the KJV?
  26. 4 points
    Salyan

    Archaisms in the KJV.

    Actually, I find that much of a modern English use is dumbed down and oversimplified. We don’t use nearly the breadth of language available to us in classic English. I have no desire to use a Bible whose language has similarly been simplified to the point it can no longer be accurate. The scholarly knowledge present in the KJV is also something that can hardly be replicated today. I wouldn’t trust modern “translators” to have the same language knowledge. Ever studied just how educated they were, and how many steps were taken to remove bias or inaccuracy from the text? The specificity provided by the singular/plural meanings of thou/you are not always discernible from the context. And where they are, it really is a lot easier to understand the difference from the word itself, rather than studying it out through the context. Why wouldn’t you want to use what’s available?
  27. 3 points
    New discoveries do not equal new creation of creatures or plants. I’m sure there are many living creatures in various places on the planet that mankind still has a lot to learn about (such as some of the fish, etc. at thr bottom of the sea, and in unexplored areas of different rainforests, for example).
  28. 3 points
    Robert P. Reynolds

    Hello

    Hello all. My name is Robert Reynolds. I am an independent, dispensational, King James Bible believing, Baptist missionary in Lipa City, Batangas, Philippines. My family and I have been in the Philippines, as of next month, for eight years. If you all do not mind, please pray for, me, my family and the ministry that the Lord has entrusted us with, that he will use us mightily for his glory, to reach the Filipino people. Thank you all so much. God bless you all.
  29. 3 points
    Websites (or at least a Facebook page) are a requirement nowadays, I think. If I'm searching for a church to visit, I won't even consider any that I can't first look up their statement of faith and peruse their website. But the website needs to look like it was updated within the last 15 years!
  30. 3 points
    HappyChristian

    Steven Anderson

  31. 3 points
    Salyan

    God will bless Assyria...

    Oh, brother...
  32. 3 points
    2bLikeJesus

    Our Glorified Bodies

    1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV) 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. I believe our bodies will be like Jesus's incorruptible. You will be able to touch and feel and be touched, eat (yeah!), and even pass through walls like Jesus did after his resurrection. Can't wait to come back as the Lord's host in an incorruptible body. That will be terrible and fun at the same time.
  33. 3 points
    Jerry

    Our Glorified Bodies

    Seems like most of the active threads lately are about endtime prophecy. While it is beneficial to finetune our theology, some of those endless debates just don’t feed my spirit, if you know what I mean. Having some bad health lately, I have been tremendously blessed by passages about one day having a glorified body. Let’s post verses talking about this theme, and what those bodies will be like. A few that have really encouraged me recently are: Psalm 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness. One day each of us who are saved will be taken home to be with the Lord forever - perhaps it will be like sleeping and then awakening to find ourselves made like Christ, in His image - holy, righteous, no longer to struggle with our sin nature. A dream (promise actually) worth waking up to! 1 John 3:1-3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. Romans 8:16-25 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, the heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. What a day, glorious day that will be.
  34. 3 points
    Alan

    Revelation Bible Study.

    Isaiah 2:1-5, “Beating Weapons of War into Implements of Farming” Isaiah 2:1-5, “The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.” “ … concerning Judah and Jerusalem ...” This prophecy of Isaiah is concerning the future events that will take place in Judah and Jerusalem. Judah and Jerusalem are physical locations within the Jewish nation of Israel or, “O house of Jacob.” We must take careful note that there are no physical promises given to the church. All of the promises, or the inheritance, given to the body of Christ are spiritual or in heaven. (1) Ephesians 1:10-22 (2) Colossians 1:9-13 The inheritance for the Body of Christ, the church, is incorruptible and in heaven. The “holy Jerusalem,” Revelation 21;10, is the inheritance of the saints in the Body of Christ. The Apostle Peter stated, “To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you.” 1 Peter 1:4 Therefore, this prophecy has to be fulfilled within, and flow out of, these boundaries given by Isaiah and cannot be applicable to the saints in the body of Christ, or symbolized, to the church in the New Testament. “And it shall come to pass in the last days ...” The “last days” are to be fulfilled in the latter times as described by John the Apostle, in the book of Revelation. Since the temple built in the Tribulation Period is occupied by the anti-Christ, the last days referenced in Isaiah has to occur after the Tribulation period and before Revelation 20:11 “… that the mountain of the LORD’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains ...” The Temple of God, as also prophesied by Ezekiel, will be re-built, on a much larger scale never been seen in Israel nor the world. In Ezekiel chapter 40-48, the prophet Ezekiel is shown, by a vision, the re-built Temple in Jerusalem. The prophet Micah also prophesied the in the last days the house of the LORD would be established in Jerusalem in Micah 4:1-7 and gave additional detailed information concerning the world-wide worship at the Temple in Jerusalem. “But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow into it.” Micah 4:1 Therefore, as the New Heavens and the New Earth, Revelation 22:1-3, has no temple it it, the only possible conclusion is that the “Lord’s house,” the temple of Ezekiel 40-48, is the Temple in the Millennium. “… and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.” People from all the nations of the world will flow into the city of Jerusalem to worship God in the Temple. The prophet Micah states, “And many nations shall come ...” Micah 4:1a “And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob...” The “house of the God of Jacob,” is the re-built Temple in the Millennium. In Ezekiel 40-48 Ezekiel gives minute detail of the worship services. “… and he will teach us his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.” The Law will be used to “teach” the nations of the world the ways of God. The prophet Ezekiel prophesied the same prophesy concerning the teaching of the Law in Ezekiel 44:23, “And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.” “And he shall judge among the nations ...” Isaiah had previously prophesied, “And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin: And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city. Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.” Isaiah 1:25-27 Both of these passages in Isaiah are a direct reference to Revelation 20:4. The “he” in Isaiah 2:4 is a direct reference to the Lord Jesus. “… and he shall judge among many people ...” Micah 4:3a Micah further states, “… and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.” Micah 4:7b. The apostle Paul and the apostle John clearly states who will reign, “That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords.” “1 Timothy 6:14 & 15, and “And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.” The Lord Jesus will judge among the nations of the world as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 20:4, “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Again, this prophesy cannot apply to the Body of Christ, the church, in the Church Age in any manner; whether symbolic, figurative or spiritual. The saints in the Body of Christ, the church, except for themselves, are not to judge a person. “… and shall rebuke many people ...” The Lord Jesus, as the supreme judge, will rebuke the nations of the world. “… and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks ...” As with all the prophets of the Old Testament, the prophet Isaiah is given clear, literal, observable, touchable, discernible, signs and benchmarks, that clearly proves when his prophesy is fulfilled. A sword and a spear, from time immortal, in every country, and in every generation, are weapons of war designed to kill. Plowshares and pruninghooks, from time immortal, in every county, and in every generation, are farming implements designed for work on a farm. “… nation shall not lift up sword against nation ...” The Prince of peace, the Lord Jesus, through His leadership, will create a perfect government that will create perfect peace for 1,000 years. “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 9:6 Micah prophesied, “And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.” Micah 4:3 “… neither shall they learn war any more.” We will quote Micah 4:3b again, “… neither shall they learn war any more.” In the Church Age, up to the current time, the nations of the world have had “War Colleges.” These War Colleges are institutes of the art of learning the aspects of armed conflict: war. The nation of Israel, or, the House of Jacob, currently has three major War Colleges. 1. The Israel National Defence College. 2. The Tactical Command College. 3. The Command And Staff College. Isaiah is very clear in his prophecy, in the last days, the nations of the world, not just Israel, will, learn 'war no more.' So, this prophecy has not been fulfilled since the inception of the nation of Israel in May 1948. This prophecy is very clear, observable, tangible, unmistakable, and in no manner can it be applicable to the Body of Christ, the Church, in the church age. Therefore, this prophecy has not been fulfilled and can only be fulfilled during the Millennial reign of Christ as depicted in Revelation 20:4-6 “O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.” The prophet Isaiah concludes this prophecy with a plea to his fellow Jews to walk in the light of the Lord.
  35. 3 points
    Salyan

    Archaisms in the KJV.

    Okay, I think we need a break from this subject for a bit. Robycop, you were told that it is rude to come in and attack others’ beliefs on their own forum. I personally gave you some leniency because I believe there is room for discussion on what it means to be KJVonly. Some think the KJV supersedes the original manuscripts, yet the manuscripts are how God has preserved His Word through history. You have, however, repeatedly shown that the only authority you will accept in this area is yourself, no matter how contradictory your position may be. I am hereby, in my capacity as moderator, issuing a cease and desist order. This topic is on hold for you; do not attempt to discuss it further.
  36. 3 points
    Rebecca

    Archaisms in the KJV.

    I'm not going to get involved in the debate, I just wanted to say a couple of things: 1. I read the KJV as a child, yes I asked questions - but those questions were answered and my vocabulary and understanding of scripture grew. 2. I teach bilingual Bible classes to ESL learners and when reading English scripture we use the KJV. My ESL learners are not only learning the Bible, they are also broadening their vocabulary, so using the KJV isn't a deterrent, it's an asset.
  37. 3 points
    Pastor Scott Markle

    Archaisms in the KJV.

    Indeed, its faithfulness to its SOURCE would reveal if it is a valid translation of THAT source; but it would NOT reveal if the SOURCE ITSELF is a faithful source. You see, the question of this matter is NOT whether a given translation is a faithful translation of a given source. Rather, the question of this matter is whether a given translation is a faithful translation of GOD'S VERY WORD. In order for that to be the case, at least TWO things must be true: 1. The translation MUST be a faithful translation of its source. 2. The SOURCE ITSELF must be a faithful source of GOD"S PRESERVED WORD, without corruption and error. Even if a translation is a faithful translation of its source, it is still NOT a faithful translation of GOD'S VERY WORD if the source itself was not a faithful source of God's preserved Word, without corruption and error.
  38. 3 points
    Leviticus differentiates passover and feast of unleavened bread: Leviticus 23: 5-8. "On the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein." This instruction clearly shows us that the Easter mentioned in Acts is not the same as Passover, as Dave has pointed out. While I do not accept any modern versions, both the NIV and the NASB are clear as to the difference as well. Easter has always been a pagan festival, in homage to Ishtar, the fertility goddess. It has NOTHING to do with Christ, so Tyndale got it wrong. Period. Christ is our Passover Lamb, not our fertility lamb. And before you jump on me as you did Dave, Jordan, rest assured that I don't believe Tyndale was stupid in any way. Just wrong to call Christ our Easter Lamb. Just as wrong as the modern translators who were wanting to refer to Christ as the "pig of God" because the people of Papua New Guinea didn't know what sheep were and held pigs as sacred. There is no mistake about Easter in the KJV. "Pascha" means Easter, and is the word used in Acts. "Pesach" means Passover. Two different words, two different meanings. The feast of Eostre (Ishtar, Easter) took place around the same time as Passover. Herod was referencing Easter - the festival of Ishtar - not the resurrection of Christ nor even Passover. Herod was an Edomite. His ancestors had converted to Judaism, but that doesn't mean Herod did. By his referring to the feast of homage to Ishtar, it is clear he was a pagan.
  39. 3 points
    The answer to you question requires a study concerning the Biblical doctrine of preservation. In that study the following questions would be answered -- 1. Did the Lord God promise to preserve His Word? 2. If He did, in what manner did He promise to preserve His Word? 3. If He did, to what extent did He promise to preserve His Word? 4. If He did, for whom did He promise to preserve His Word? 5. If He did, for how long did He promise to preserve His Word? As a corollary to these questions, the following questions would also need to be answered -- 1. What is our Lord God's viewpoint concerning manmade alterations to His Word? 2. Does our adversary the devil pursue efforts to alter the truth of God's Holy Word? Having done this study, and thereby having Biblically answered these questions, I have a Biblical foundation upon which to make appropriate decisions about which textual source is good and which is bad. As such, I also have a Biblical foundation upon which to make appropriate decisions about which translation from a given textual source is good and which is bad.
  40. 3 points
    DaveW

    Archaisms in the KJV.

    And once again you are missing the point and presenting something sideways. The whole point of the NKJV is to own the copyright.... ANYONE who uses the NKJV to print a Bible must pay the owners of that copyright. Plenty of people print KJV Bibles without making money, some without even covering their costs. EVERY other Bible version (as far as I know) has a requirement to pay the copyright holders a reproduction fee. THAT is why the NKJV was really produced - to gain rights to the reproduction fees. No matter what printer prints it, the NKJV copyright holder makes money. And by the way Brother Markle, the UK copyright is regarding the veracity of the KJV text, meaning it cannot be changed and still called the KJV. It can be freely reproduced without payment to the UK copyright holders, as long as the text is preserved. Not chasing money there......
  41. 3 points
    Jerry

    Is writing fiction a sin?

    Lucian, not sure why you chose the confused emoticon. The Bible teaches that as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. See Proverbs 23:7. If our fiction is based on evil (ie. the promotion of evil - characters performing evil, evil being the primary themes, worldviews based on evil philiosphies - evolution, man becoming gods, multiple gods, or to use the opposite philisophy - a worldview based on utter and complete chaos, etc.), then it is evil to dwell on those things. See Philippians 4:8.
  42. 3 points
    Basically Baptist Doctrine is based on what you read in the bible alone as your authority for faith and Practice. Catholic doctrine is based on what the catholic church teaches for authority in faith and practice. Catholics believe that you must be part of their church and keep all their commandments to be saved. Baptist believe as the bible teaches, that salvation is given to anyone who puts their faith in Christ alone. This means baptist believe anyone can be saved regardless of what church they attend or not. Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 3:21-30 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Romans 10:6-13 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
  43. 3 points
    DaveW

    Do only Baptists get saved?

    Salvation is not in any church. Roman's 10 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. No mention of any church there, just trusting in Christ. And also: Ephesians 2 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it isthe gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. No mention of any church. Salvation is about what Jesus Christ has done to pay for our sins.
  44. 3 points
    DaveW

    Archaisms in the KJV.

    Strangely enough, our friend gave a KJV to a someone who came up with a word that he didn't understand, and to alleviate the problem our friend here FIRST OF ALL explained the meaning of that word to the gentleman. The result was that the gentleman grew in his knowledge of God by the explanation, and ALSO grew in his knowledge of English. Our friend here presents this as a negative, but how is a gaining in knowledge a bad thing? Also, our friend has unknowingly followed a Bible principle. That of explaining the meaning of a word that is unfamiliar - NOT OF CHANING THAT WORD, but explaining it. 1Sa 9:6-11 (6) And he said unto him, Behold now, there is in this city a man of God, and he is an honourable man; all that he saith cometh surely to pass: now let us go thither; peradventure he can shew us our way that we should go. (7) Then said Saul to his servant, But, behold, if we go, what shall we bring the man? for the bread is spent in our vessels, and there is not a present to bring to the man of God: what have we? (8) And the servant answered Saul again, and said, Behold, I have here at hand the fourth part of a shekel of silver: that will I give to the man of God, to tell us our way. (9) (Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to enquire of God, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was beforetime called a Seer.) (10) Then said Saul to his servant, Well said; come, let us go. So they went unto the city where the man of God was. (11) And as they went up the hill to the city, they found young maidens going out to draw water, and said unto them, Is the seer here? Interesting here that the writer of this passage inserts vs 9 as explanation to the readers, for in his current time the Man of God was called a prophet, but then in vs 11 which is a retelling of the actual account, the word used is not prophet, even though that would have been the common word in the writer's time, but the word "seer" is used because that is what Saul spoke on that day. So what we have here is a direction by example of the writer of the book of 1 Samuel (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit remember) not to CHANGE the archaic word used to the modern term so the audience understood, but to EXPLAIN the archaic word for the audience. I had just this example the other day - talking of the Seraphim of Isaiah 6 and the word "twain" is used in reference to the pairs of wings. I knew that there were some in our audience who might not understand that word, so I stopped momentarily and explained "the word "twain" simply means "two", and I could see the light of understanding shine in a few eyes to whom this was new knowledge. From then on when I read that verse as I did a few times, I didn't change it to "two" - they all understood it with no problem, and they now had a greater knowledge of the English language than they did when they came in, and when they read that word in other places of the Bible or indeed in other settings, they have understanding. And by the way, what happens when you get to a word that is still in modern use but not common? - it is not an archaic word, but it still needs to be explained, and even moreso if there is no modern alternative. When I was learning to be a photogrammetrist, (sorry for those don't know it is a specialised area of geomatics), they didn't find common English terms for things such as Parallax, but they taught me what Parallax meant. I had no idea what "Sterovision" was but instead of finding another word that I understood, they explained what it meant. They didn't find a common term for a graphic pantograph mechanism, they explained it to me. They didn't find a common word for a stereotriangulated solution, they explained what it was. Personally I have found that when people come across a difficult or archaic word, often the first they will do is find a dictionary - especially nowadays on line. If they still don't understand, then will ask at church, and hopefully get a reasonable and sufficient answer. I have some people here who are seriously deficient of education, but they ask questions, they seek understanding, they learn and they grow - and the learn how to understand the Bible. Note: for those who understand neither the old word "photogrammetrist" nor the modern equivalent "Geomaticist", I will EXPLAIN IT for your understanding: It is the science of compiling map data from aerial photography, airborne laser scanning data, or other survey tied spatial data - I draw maps from photos taken from planes.
  45. 3 points
    Jerry

    Steven Anderson

    I haven’t been here for a long time - but I remember Robycop and the problems he has stirred up on various message boards in the past. He does seem to have toned down his approach, which is good. He is saying he will discuss this issue, but he has not answered it yet from what I can tell. What Bible is inerrant today? What Bible do you fully 100% trust and rely upon, if you do not trust and rely upon the KJV? It is one thing to say you are not KJVonly and to say there are problems with it - but give us the name of the Bible versions today that are fully reliable - or else you are just creating more smokescreens to further confuse the issue.
  46. 3 points
    DaveW

    Archaisms in the KJV.

    Two things: First of all, you explained to him the meaning and his knowledge grew. Secondly, and far more importantly, you are constantly saying that you decide what is God's Word based on your understanding, your "experience, common sense, and audience request". If you are deciding what is God's Word, then you are placing yourself in authority over God. It is UP TO YOU which rendering is correct in any given setting. This matter of authority is why any man should choose a single version and stick to it - they accept it as God's Word ONCE and then accept it in everything it says. God's Word is then AND ONLY THEN truly the authority in your life. If I choose which version I think is best in each different situation, then I DECIDE what God's Word looks like. Who then gave you the right and ability to decide when the Bible is right and when it is wrong? Which version you choose is actually irrelevant to this aspect, but the choice of a SINGLE VERSION to be your authority is of utmost importance. You see this all the time in books that use multiple versions - they don't like a particular rendering, not for any doctrinal reason, but because it suits their own argument better. They decide what God's Word means based on their own ideas, their own experience, their own "common sense". If they used a single version, they would simply not be able to support all their arguments, for their "preferred version" doesn't support ALL their ideas. Multiple versions makes it very easy to use the Bible to support what YOU want to say - a single version restricts you to what the text says.
  47. 3 points
    DaveW

    Steven Anderson

    That is not the point. To Claim "advanced member status" when you haven't been active on the site for TEN YEARS, whilst being correct on the technicality of the statistics, is in reality borderline deceitful. And the fact that you refer to Slayan as a gentleman only serves to prove the point. The fact is that you noticed your status comment and have tried to use it to give your position more weight, but Salyan is a senior member of the forum, a moderator, and a woman, none of which you realised, which proves that you are not in fact an advanced member IN REALITY.
  48. 3 points
    There's a parable in Matthew 13 about a sower who sowed seed representing "the word of the Kingdom": This "seed" was the real deal. Now some of that seed fell on "stony places" and sprang up, but it had never taken root. So those in the "stony places" actually heard the TRUE word but only had a "head knowledge" because they neither really trusted Christ nor were indwelled with the Holy Ghost. But that's not what this is about. The Philippian Jailor was not told to do a "repeat after me" prayer. Salvation has to take place in one's HEART, not LIPS. Teaching kids to sing praises to the pastor, aside from stealing God's glory, is controlling people. Making tons of money off people, sleeping with other mens' wives and underage girls by using "feigned words" is making "merchandise" of them. Teaching "repeat after me prayers" thereby inducing folks to THINK they received salvation, is a "damnable heresy" as the whole world condemns Christianity because of the "pernicious ways". But "damnable heresies" sneak in among us "privily". 1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
  49. 3 points
    I have no opinion of Hyles, Gray or Cloud, I don't know the men. But I do know about easy believisim. And I have seen the devastating results. Large or small church, it's all semantics. It just doesn't matter except for numbers of people deceived. Easy believisim is to be condemned wherever it is found. In this respect I applaud anyone that identifies it and calls it out for what it is. If only one soul is deceived into thinking they are saved when they actually are not, that is one soul too many. I cannot even imagine being the one responsible for a false profession gained by this method from the pits of hell. And what about the newly saved that are being taught to witness to people in this way? Is their faith and Christian witness not worth anything? I have seen first hand the devastating results of the newly saved that have been taught to witness this way. Instead of coming back with glowing numbers to report they are devastated when they have to "fess up", just because someone would not say a "repeat after me" prayer. I can tell you because I have seen it, they are crushed emotionally and their enthusiasm for soul winning is shipwrecked. We need to get back to witnessing with the Gospel message and leave the persuading to the all capable Holy Spirit. God doesn't need salesmen and women using the methods of worldly commercial sales pitches.
  50. 3 points
    HappyChristian

    Hubs in the hospital...

    Randy's INR is still at 1.8. So unless it jumps to 2 tomorrow, he won't be coming home Sunday. Maybe Monday.
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