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  1. 4 points

    Fort Worth Star-Telegram Series

    And you both are ignoring the fact that no single person CAN answer your questions BECAUSE independent Baptist churches ARE INDEPENDENT. I absolutely directly answered the initial post when I said that the proper authorities should be involved - although I didn't state it, that is the policy in the church where I am. But because an independent Baptist church is independent I can not speak for any church but the one I am a member of. I can tell you that was the same for each of the three churches that I have been a member of. I have a question for the two of you. Why are you both singling out independent Baptist churches? There are many independent churches around - why exclude them? There are many church groups around - why exclude them? This singling out of only independent Baptist churches is what makes this seem fishy. We KNOW that this kind of thing is not exclusive to independent Baptist churches, so why focus on them? The Catholic church appears to have a systematic and organized way to hide and ignore the problem and not to even deal with it internally. The Anglican church has likewise had its issues with the problem. The Mormons have also has instances. The JW's have had instances. Schools have had many instances. The boy scouts have instances. And yet you both are focusing on independent Baptist churches only, even to the extent of attacking the other person who pointed out that others have the issue and to a far greater extent. My answer was absolutely, 100% applicable to the original question, you just don't want to accept it because it does not allow you to continue with your story.
  2. 4 points

    Absence of Doctrinal Authority

    If you have trusted Christ as your Saviour, then baptism is a good and proper thing to do, and a good thing to be desired. But you need to be certain that you are not desiring it because you think, in any way, that it will help assure your salvation. Baptism is a work - a thing we can do in obedience to God - thus to reliance on it in the least little bit for grace for salvation means that a person is not relying wholly and completely on Christ for salvation. And if we are depending on anything other than Christ alone as the propitiation for our sin (there's a good word to study!), then we are not truly saved.
  3. 4 points

    Classical Christmas Music.

    Hope you enjoy some Classical Christmas Songs for the Holidays courtesy of the London Symphony Orchestra. May the Lord bless all of you during the Christmas season and have a blessed time with your family and friends. "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." Matthew 1:25 Alan
  4. 3 points

    Bach -The Violin Concertos

    I hope you enjoy some relaxing music by Bach, 'The Violin Concertos." If any one else has some Bach favorites please feel free to add to this selection on this thread. Alan
  5. 3 points

    Fort Worth Star-Telegram Series

    I, for one would rather not dwell on the morbid. I am not denying that things like this happen, but do not see the need to drag them out and examine them as a simple point of interest on a message board. Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
  6. 3 points

    Happy New Year.

    From Western Australia, where it will be the New Year in about another hour and a half, I would like to wish you all a God honouring and biblically "successful" year to come. 1Co_10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Jos_1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
  7. 3 points

    Happy New Year.

    Happy New Year! Or, as we say in Chinese; 新年快樂! For you Westerners, this is the year 2019. For us in China, or rather Taiwan (the communist government on mainland China, is now using the Gregorian, or Western, calendar), it is the Chinese Year 107. Today's date, at least on Taiwan, is: 107年01月01日。 Oh !!! I forgot one minor detail. The Chinese New Year, which changes year by year, does not actually start this year until February 2nd. So, if all that I have said is a little confusing, don't worry, the Lord is not confused at all. God knows exactly what date it is and exactly when He will accomplish His will in all things. "But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." Galatians 4:4 & 5 Oh! One last thought, I feel sorry for those who set dates for the Second Coming of Christ! Whose calendar do you use? Jewish? European? Gregorian? Chinese? Chaldean?
  8. 3 points
    Baptism is a church ordinance, it is considered the first step of obedience for the newly saved Christian. But it does not stand alone, any Scriptural responsible church would not Baptize and then just turn the newly saved person loose to be at the mercy of any teaching that happens by. We are responsible to disciple those we Baptize, not just turn them loose. Mt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. This can only be accomplished in a local church setting that places the newly saved person in a place of church membership and accountability. To my mind finding a Scriptural New Testament Church should be of utmost importance, this is the only entity that is authorized to Baptize. You can find some so-called church, or pastor to Baptize you, but the real concern should be; is that baptism valid?
  9. 3 points
    The thing with any pastor and church is that you will have to try their spirit. Occasionally a pastor will have to call out a false teacher but their main ministry should be feeding the flock of God that they have been called to. If they are only putting down others and lifting up them selves while teaching very little actual bible doctrine, Then they should be avoided. If they have the Spirit of God in them then you will be encouraged and refreshed and motivated by the preaching and teaching, even when they occasionally have the sad and solom duty of calling out a false teaching or errant brothers. 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Acts 20:27-29 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Philippians 4:7-9 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things arejust, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 10:12-13 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise. 13 But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you. Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
  10. 3 points

    The beauty of creation

    Beautiful evening over Kent
  11. 3 points

    Is the KJVO "movement" dying?

    Thank you for mentioning Rodgers Baptist Church bro. Alan. This was the sending church for the mission work in Alaska that became the church I was saved in. I have always wondered why this church and its pastor have not got more mention on Online Baptist. They are a well known church and responsible for many missionary plantings. The late bro. James Dearmore was a missionary to Africa out of this church for many productive years, he was also a dear, personal friend of mine.
  12. 3 points
    Salvation is free, reward (or loss) is due to faithfulness. How does that relate to preparing for His coming? 1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
  13. 3 points

    Absence of Doctrinal Authority

    Yes, a mere heart belief in the Lord Jesus as your Saviour would save your soul.
  14. 3 points


    I posted this before but in 2014, so I will post it again in response. I Posted June 24, 2014 I was out soul winning, door knocking in the area when someone who answered the door stated "I have heard of your church, you guys are the one's with all those rules." I looked at him genuinely confused and said "we don't have ANY rules." He said, "then why do you guys dress so different, and you don't drink, go dancing, go to movie theaters, or party like normal folks, and you go to church like several times a week?" I told him it's because of a love for God and what he has done for us. We find principles in His word that indicates what would be most pleasing to Him and out of love we do all we can to please Him. You don't have to do ANY of those things to attend our church, that would make them rules that must be followed. You don't need to follow any of those things to be saved either and on your way to heaven. I then got the chance to explain a non-works salvation to him. A person who needs rules, doesn't understand principles. Galatians 5:18 (KJV) 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. If you are truly led of the Spirit, the Spirit will NEVER lead you to do anything that is contrary to God's will and Word, there is no need for the law. Rules are neccesary for a heart away from God. Galatians 3:19a (KJV) 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions 1 Corinthians 6:12 (KJV) 12 All things are lawful unto me [the Law], but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any [the Principle]. 1 Corinthians 10:23 (KJV) 23 All things are lawful for me [the Law], but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not [the Principle]. The law makes nothing perfect. Hebrews 7:19 (KJV) 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. The law was not made for righteous men. 1 Timothy 1:8-10 (KJV) 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disOBedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; Galatians 3:24 (KJV) 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. So many people, especially IFB's who have been raised since children in an IFB church, have no idea WHY we have the standards we do. Until they understand that a standard is simply a self-imposed boundary set to help us keep a conviction that was formed by understanding a principle from God's word. You first find a principle in God's word, and from that principle you form a conviction, and then a standard is set by yourself to help you keep that conviction. Because of this, some standards are entirely yours alone. For instance, I will not allow myself to own a boat. There is absolutely nothing wrong or sinful about boat ownership, but for me, outdoor recreation is a huge draw and I am weak enough to it ( "I will not be brought under the power of any"), that my ministry for God is hurt by it. Until people have standards put IN them by understanding the principles behind them, instead of ON them because "that's just the way we do things" they will never have them for their own and it is easy for them to backslide as soon as they are out of the house. Bro. Garry In His will. By His power. For His glory.
  15. 2 points
    My thoughts are that if these allegations are true it goes to show people are still sinners and need God's grace. Do you want strangers talking about your sins online? What if the allegations are not true? How can you be sure they are true? Why should I take the word of the supposed victims over the word of the supposed perpetraitors?
  16. 2 points
    Just curious, are you a reporter looking to get a quote for a story you might be running? It looks like you are on a fishing expedition.
  17. 2 points
    Yes and I heard an outstanding message on that very subject from Pastor Larry Winkler, a few weeks ago and look forward to posting it on my Sermon.net Page/Podcast, right after our upcoming Revival Meeting next week! It's called The Thief's Creed or (The Theology Of The Dying Thief).
  18. 2 points

    Happy New Year.

    "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus" (Philippians 3:13-14 KJV). Always an appropriate verse for a new year! By God's grace I'm hoping to start and maintain a daily devotion which we can call "Profiting From Proverbs." You are all welcome to add to it. Isn't it amazing that the Book of Proverbs has 31 chapters, and that there is generally 31 days in a month? You think God had something to do with that? Let's read a chapter a day and see what God might have for us. As the Lord leads, share with us what God has shown you in a special way and by His grace let us build up a devotional repository that may serve busy preachers and teachers for the work of their ministries. Let's keep our knives and forks handy for some daily bread! I'm sure that with all the preachers posting here, there will be some hearty meat on the table!
  19. 2 points
    The thief on the cross was never baptized, yet he went to be with the Lord.
  20. 2 points
    Since Brother Alan specifically mentioned me, I will present the information for the website of the church over which the Holy Spirit has called me to pastor. To be clear - I pastor a small country church in a small village within the Thumb area of Michigan, nothing of popular importance. www.melvinbaptistchurch.com (Note: I struggled a bit with presenting this information because I do not desire to push myself forward in any manner. Please receive this information in the spirit with which it was delivered.)
  21. 2 points
    John Young

    Is the KJVO "movement" dying?

    I would say that the majority of IFB pastors are actually humbly and quietly working and serving in their local areas and are mostly model Christians (There are over 6,000 IFB preachers in America). Its the very few public, limelight teachers (many not even pasotrs or IFB) that spread most of the contention that I have seen which give that impression to the masses who see their bad spirit. And conversely the same attitude in those of the Non-KJB limlight teachers do not help matters any.
  22. 2 points

    Revelation Bible Study.

    The Shepherd of the House of Israel will Gather His Scattered Flock In the context Jeremiah 23:7& 8, we read in Jeremiah 23:1 & 2 of the false shepherds scattering the flock of the house of Israel. God gave this prophecy, and promise, that one day, He, will gather the scattered flock of the house of Israel back to the fold of Israel and they, the house of Israel, would again be fruitful in the land. Jeremiah 23:3 & 4, “And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.” The Lord Jesus is the Good Shepherd and in Matthew 24:31 the Lord Jesus is gathering the house of Israel back to the fold of Israel. There is no “rising” to meet the Lord in air in Matthew 24:31 there is a gathering of the elect remnant of the house of Israel returning to the land Israel during the 7 Year Tribulation Period as prophesied by Jeremiah. The American Heritage dictionary meaning for 'gather' is: “»v. 1a. To bring or come together. b. To draw (someone or something) closer to oneself. c. to draw (e. g., cloth) into small folds or puckers. 2. To harvest or pick. 3. To conclude; infer; I gather you're ready. 4. To summon up: gathered up my courage. 5. To accumulate gradually: The bookshelf gathered dust. 6. To gain by process of gradual increase: gather speed »n. 1. An act of gathering. 2. A small fold or pucker in cloth. - gatherer n. - gathering n.”1 In the context of Jeremiah 23:7-8, Isaiah 11:11-12, Matthew 23:37-39, and Matthew 24:31, the meaning of the word “gathering” is to bring the the Jews, the elect, in a gradual process, from the four winds of the earth, from every nation, as Moses gathered the house of Israel together in Egypt, as a hen gathers her chicks, and the shepherd gathers his flocks, back to the nation of Israel. The word gather, in the context of the above verses, does not mean a rising in the air, the rapture, to meet the Lord Jesus in the air. Deuteronomy 18:18 The Prophet like Moses Deuteronomy 18:15, “The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken. John 6:14, “Then those men when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, this is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.” Acts 3:19-23, “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed among the people.” On a doctrinal note, the Apostle Peter clearly stated, “Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” Acts 3:21. The Lord Jesus will remain in heaven until all of the prophecies of the prophets are fulfilled. Therefore, the prophecies of the Isaiah, Jeremiah, Hosea, Zechariah, Joel, concerning the restoration of the house of Israel, or nation of Israel, have not been annulled, and are yet to be fulfilled. The Lord Jesus is the prophet that Moses spoke of. God will use the works of Moses to show us the greater works of the Lord Jesus. The scriptures clearly show Pharaoh is a type of the anti-Christ, that the events of the gathering of the house of Israel, and their Exodus from Egypt, is a clear example of the affliction that the anti-Christ brings upon the nation of Israel, on a world-wide scale, the gathering of the house of Israel, the Jews, from the tribulation period, into a conversion experience and led back to the land of Israel. The works of Moses, specifically the gathering of the house of Israel in the Exodus, will pale in comparison to the works of the Lord Jesus in the gathering of the house of Israel from the entire world. The House of Moses and the House of Christ – Hebrews 3:1-9 Hebrews 3:1-9, “Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God. And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To-day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.” “For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.” Hebrews 11:3 As the prophet Jeremiah prophesied, the house of Moses, and all of his works, the gathering of the house of Israel from the iron hand of Pharaoh, the Exodus from Egypt through great tribulation, the giving of the Law, pales in comparison to the works of Christ; His house, the saints, salvation through grace, and the gathering of the remnant of the house of Israel on a world-wide scale during the 7 Tribulation period. The comparison of Christ gathering the house of Israel from the wrath of God pronounced on the world during the entire time of the 7 Year Tribulation Period will exceed the glory, and honour, of Moses and the Exodus from Egypt. Therefore, the “elect” that the Lord Jesus refers to in Matthew 24:31 is the the saved remnant of the house of Israel that is gathered from the entire world and returned to the land of Israel during the 7 Year Tribulation period. Anderson – A False Belief Pastor Steven Anderson, Pastor Roger Jimenez, both ministers in the “New IFB,” movement, teach that the gathering together of the “elect” in Matthew 24:31 is a reference to the rapture of the church saints as taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. In the film, “After the Tribulation,” in a running conversation concerning the rapture of the church age saints, quoted as written in the pdf copy of the film, Anderson and Jimenez stated, “(Matthew 24:31) and he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Pastor Anderson: All the same elements! Jesus is coming in the clouds. A trumpet sounds. He sends the angels to gather his elect. Pastor Jimenez: The reason I showed you this is that I wanted you to understand that in Matthew 24:29-31, we see the rapture, and when we compare it to 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, it matches up perfectly.”1 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and Matthew 24:31 Contrasted 1. The dead bodies of the saints are raised in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. There is no resurrection of any dead saints in Matthew 24:31 There is a “gathering” not a “rising.” In the context, the word 'gathering' is a bringing together of the elect. 2. The bodies of the dead saints are changed, and ascend, to be with the Lord Jesus in the clouds in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 There are no dead bodies of any saint ascending to meet the Lord in the air in Matthew 24:31 3. Only saints are involved in the coming with the Lord Jesus, the ascension of the dead and live saints, to meet the Lord in the air as recorded in 1Thessalonians 4:13-18. Paul brings this truth out as a “comfort” to all concerned. There is no mourning of the tribes of the earth recorded, or even hinted at, in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. In Matthew 24:30, “… all of the tribes of the earth shall mourn.” This in in direct contrast, and opposition to, with 1 Thessalonians 4:18 when the scriptures state, “Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” 4. In the Bible, Leviticus 25:23-25 and Numbers 10:1-13, we have various usages for the blowing of trumpets by the Jews. In Exodus 19:13, 16 & 19 we have the trumpet of God: not the Jews sounding trumpets. In addition, in Revelation 8:2 we have the 7 angels with 7 trumpets. Revelation 8:2, “And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to to them were given seven trumpets.” The arch-angel is clearly a separate angel, with special duties apart from the 7 angels with the 7 trumpets. In 1 Thessalonians 4:16 we read: “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.” This trumpet sounding is called, “the trump of God,” and in heralded by an “arch-angel.” This is the “last trump” as spoken of in 1 Corinthians 15:52 The “last trump” in the Bible blown by the arch-angel is not the trumpet blown by the seventh angel in Revelation 11:15. None of the 7 angels in Revelation 8:2 and following is referred to as an arch-angel. And Matthew 24:31 the angels, plural, are blowing trumpets: there is not an arch-angel at all. Again, the angels in Matthew 24:31 are different angels from the arch-angel in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:52 Anderson presumes just because both of these passages have a trumpet sounding that they are the same. Anderson's presumption is speculation based on an inadequate study of the different trumpets in the Bible, who uses them, whether or not it is an angel, or an arch-angel blowing, “the trump of God,” and for what reasons. Conclusion Therefore, it is an inescapable conclusion that Matthew 24:31 and 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 do not have the same results, do not match up perfectly, and are not parallel passages. It is an inescapable conclusion that 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and Matthew 24:29-31 are two totally unrelated events at different time periods with different results. 1Anderson, Steven, “After the Tribulation” (Tempe, AZ: Faithful Word Baptist Church), pdf. Page 5-6.
  23. 2 points

    Rock Tumbling

    All I have is a smile to my name. But, I have a plan. If Trump can ask Shumer for $5,000,000,000.00 (I think that is 5 Billion dollars), than I am going to ask Shumer for $50.00. I'll get back with you once I receive the funding.
  24. 2 points

    Rock Tumbling

    I thought of an auction, but in the spirit of Christmas, I'd be willing to part with it for a low low sum of NT$1,500 just for you! 🤣 (~US$50 for everyone else) 😎
  25. 2 points

    Rock Tumbling

    Wow! Beautiful rocks. Thank you for the article on Rock Tumbling. Looking forward to the end result. The rocks in their natural state (full of dirt, scratches, grime, dross and imperfections), were not as beautiful, or useful for public display, or for sale, as much as after they were polished, as before. Right off the top of my head I can think of some illustrations concerning a new life in Christ, and the beauty of salvation, once the Lord polishes us up and takes away the "rough" edges off of us. "Take away the dross from the silver, and there shall come forth a vessel for the finer." Proverbs 25:4 "If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work." 2 Timothy 2:21