John Young

I heard the first are actually going to be last so does that mean the one who started this thread is the real winner? lol

Wow. It is not Pharisaical to give God our best and to be Qualified. To say that it is Pharisaical to hold men to the NT qualifications of a church office is certainly not right. No one ever said they could not serve or be very valuable to God. Nor that "we are better than they" or that they have no forgiveness. Only that they should not hold on to an office to which they are not qualified.

In regards to Brother Anderson, I am neither a supporter or a detractor. I consider him a Christian Brother who holds to errant doctrine. I do not recommend him, his church, or his errant Covenant doctrines to anyone and I think he and his followers should be corrected when they try to promote those doctrines. (My attitude toward recommending him and his camp is the same that I have for Ruckmanites or contemporary Baptist groups). However, I also am not interested in promoting lies about him (or any fellow Christian) and these lies should also be confronted as well. To be sure, many people on either side of this want me to go further than his doctrine and take a stronger stand on him as a person. They want me to either say he is an "unsaved false prophet" and partake in condemning him, beyond what I believe there is actual evidence for, so they can label me friend or foe as well but I'm not really interested in being an enemy to any Christian but instead to correct and help them and if I can, give them the benefit of the doubt.

Mainly because both men's video's speak for themselves and the people who frequent "online baptist" are capable men who have already decided the matter for themselves one way or the other. Additionally I have made my feelings on the matter clear in previews post. So I don't feel the need to qualify my statements other than to say the accused has a right to be heard and give an account of himself. Whether people accept his defense or the accusations is up to them.

It is precisely because I follow Christ that that I'm speaking out against misrepresentation and false narratives regarding Anderson. If you see this as my defending him, then that is what you chose to see. But if you look closer, and consider what I have been saying all along, then you will see that I have been trying to defend my brothers from getting caught up in believing and sharing lies to "defeat" a errant/false teacher. We should not and cannot overcome lies with lies but rather only with truth.

My problem isn't so much with wanting to defend Brother Anderson and his errant doctrine so much as it is with, supposed Good people trying to discredit him with equally false lies and misrepresentation. If people must spend their time speaking out against him beyond the basic warning, they should at least try to do do it with with verifiable and factual information and address his errant covenant theology rather than, Straw men menial arguments, assumptions about his motives and character and the promotion of equally bad teachers (from their pulpit), simply because those people they speak against him, etc.

Basic details of the Four Returns of Christ in Revelation (Part 4 of 4) The Return For His Kingdom (Chapters 15-22) When: At the marriage Supper Where: Earth, Babylon How soon: An hour and a day after Christ's return to Mt. Sion (An hour to judge and destroy the city of Babylon and then a day to finish the marriage supper Battle at Armageddon) Who is included: Anyone who is with Babylon and gathered to the battle against Christ will be judged and destroyed. Preparation: "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Timeline: Hereafter, After New Israel is gathered to Mt. Sion. Notable Persons Places and Things: Seven angels with seven vials, sea of glass mingled with fire, harps of God, the song of Moses, the song of the Lamb, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven (no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled), angel of the waters, Angel of the Alter, the kings of the east, unclean spirits like frogs, Armageddon, Babylon (the great whore), scarlet coloured beast, sins reaching unto heaven, the merchants of the earth, a stone like a great millstone, a voice coming out of the throne, the marriage of the Lamb, the marriage supper of the Lamb, the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy, heaven opened, white horses, Faithful and True, the Word of God, the armies which were in heaven, a sharp sword, an angel standing in the sun, the supper of the great God, the beat and false prophet, a lake of fire, remnant were slain with the sword, angel with a key and chain, Satan bound a thousand years, thrones, the first resurrection, Gog and Magog, tormented day and night for ever, a great white throne, the book of life, death and hell, a new heaven and a new earth, new Jerusalem, the water of life, the second death, a golden reed to measure the city, the glory of God, the nations of them which are saved, the Lamb’s book of life, the tree of life, the Spirit and the bride, The grace of our Lord. Amen.

In my opinion both men are and most "Evil Anderson" videos play too much with straw men and most are made by men who hold to worse errors than he. That's why he is able to correct them so easily. However, as you pointed out, most of his errors stem form his Covenant Theology, which the majority of these hit videos don't address very well, so he doesn't have to actually defined, or correct his core doctrines that caused him to error in the first place.

Basic details of the Four Returns of Christ in Revelation (Part 3 of 4) The Return For His Nation, Israel (Chapters 8-14) When: At the Gathering of the First fruits of Israel to Jerusalem (at the harvest/Reaping of the Earth by the angels) Where: At Mount Sion (As the Lamb, and Son of Man) How soon: Forty-two months after the Sealing of the 144,000 and three days after the two witnesses of God are killed in Jerusalem. Who is included: The 144,000 and believers of Christ (those who endured through unto the end). Preparation: Don't worship or take the mark of the Beast. Believe on Christ, expect to be be martyred or endure unto the harvest. Don't persecute the Saints or retribution will be given in like measure. Timeline: Hereafter, At the Harvest of the Earth, Forty-Two moths after the sealing of New Israel (The Woman with Sun Moon and twelve Stars, picturing the 144,000 who received Christ) Notable Persons Places and Things: Half hour in Heaven, Seven angels with seven trumpets, Angel with golden censer, Prayers of the saints, the golden altar, fire of the altar, Wormwood, The angel crying woe to the earth, the three woes, the star with the key, the bottomless pit, the locust of the pit, Five months of torture, Abaddon, the four horns of the golden altar, the Four angels in Euphrates, an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, the army of horsemen, another mighty angel with a little book, seven thunders, time no longer, the seventh angel, the mystery of God, the voice from heaven, the continuing prophesy Of John, the reed like unto a rod, the Gentiles, Forty-two moths, the holy city, the beast of the pit, the remnant, The last Trump (the seventh angel sounded), the temple of God opened in heaven, the ark of his testament, a great wonder in heaven, The woman with child (New Israel), the red dragon, a man child caught up to heaven, the wilderness, a place prepared of God, the war in heaven, Michael and his angels, a flood and the earth, the remnant of the woman's seed (the 144,000), the beast from the sea, the wounded head, the mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, names not written in the book of life, another beast coming up out of the earth, the image to the beast, the number of the beast (666), a Lamb standing on mount Sion, his Father’s name, the new song of the 144,000, the firstfruits, another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel, another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, the third angel with a warning against worshiping the beast, a voice from heaven comforting the dead in Christ, a white cloud with one Like the Son of man, another angel coming out of the (earthly) temple, the harvest of the earth, another angel coming out of the (heavenly) temple, the great winepress, a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Basic details of the Four Returns of Christ in Revelation (Part 2 of 4) The Return For His House (Chapters 5-7) When: At the Abomination of Desolation (on the great day of his wrath) Where: In the Temple (By His Glory) How soon: When the Temple is dedicated (to the anti-Christ religion at the placement of the image of jealousy) Who is included: All of Jerusalem will be judged of God's Glory and then retribution by the Anti-Christ will affect the whole world (Mark of the beast will be implemented after this act which will include wide spread Martyrdom of those to trust in Christ because of this event) Preparation: Cry and sigh for the abominations done therein. Sanctify yourself. Read and Understand. Timeline: Hereafter , Mid Week Notable Persons Places and Things: Seven Sealed Book, Strong Angel, Christ (Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David/Lamb as it had been slain), The Four horsemen, The souls under the throne and their fellowservants/brethren, The Four Angels of the earth, Angel with the seal of God, The 144,000 Israelites, The great multitude that "came out of great tribulation", His temple.

It can also be thought of as "Four Stages of Christ's Return" but I wanted to emphasize the fact that in His return to establish His millennial kingdom, the bible does not actually teach that there will only be one "touch down" for restitution of all things but rather in His return He organizes and sets in place and motion and then "comes for" each of these groups in separate events before finally finally coming to earth in Revelation 19 with the armies of heaven. In the First stage He comes in His Spirit for His Body (Revelation 1 and 4), In the second Stage He comes In God's Glory to cleans the Temple at the abomination of Desolation (Ezekiel 9, Revelation 7) , In the Third Stage He Comes as the Lamb and the Son of Man to save His Sealed Saints, and to make war with the Beast (Revelation 14), Then in the fourth stage he comes as the Word of God and In Power to judge and take over the world (Revelation 19).

The Law and the National covenant of Israel was never about giving salvation but about teaching us Sanctification and creating an environment in which it would be harder for sin to take root. Within the Law and the national covenant, sin's evil and destructive influence would be greatly reduced and Holy and helpful influences would increase. Within that environment the goal was preservation of righteousness on earth and the lifting up of and drawing of men to the light of Christ. Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The reason the Bishop cannot have two wives is because Christ does not have two wives. Nor does he have "one church at a time". He hated it when the Priest of the OT made excuses for their infidelity, so what makes us NT priest think we are any better or that he now thinks it is okay?!! "Abandonment" is also not an excuse as the Hardness of the man's heart toward his wife is why most wives "abandon" their husbands and disqualifies regardless of fault. It is a disqualifier from the office but not from service. If a man can not accept that, then it reveals his hard heart and desire to hold on to power of some-sort. A humble Bishop who has been disqualified has sorrow that he no longer is a symbol and example of Chris's marital relationship and will step down in hopes a better qualified example can fill that role. In particular so that the spirit and power of the office and the Lord's church be not hindered as shown by the rebellious priest in Malachi 2. I personally believe one of the big reasons the modern church is struggling today, and lacks power is because Bishops and churches (even in the IFB types) refuse to disqualify pastors but instead make excuses for their sin and why they are minumily qualified and keep ordaining men of lower and lower caliber in stead of seeking men who are at the strictest example of the qualifications. Ephesians 5:31-33 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. 1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered. Malachi 2 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. 2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. 3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it. 4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the Lord of hosts. 5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. 6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity. 7 For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts. 8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the Lord of hosts. 9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law. 10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers? 11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the Lord which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god. 12 The Lord will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the Lord of hosts. 13 And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the Lord with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand. 14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the Lord hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. 15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth. 16 For the Lord, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the Lord of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously. 17 Ye have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

Never said that Peter wasn't a bishop of a church. Just that Paul wasn't. As far as we know Peter meets the qualifications (in the strictest sense of them) and in my opinion, I believe he was the pastor of the church in Babylon. Paul on the other and was a missionary Apostle and started many churches but was never ordained a Bishop/pastor/elder of any of them. When they organized he always set a bishop over them that met the strictest sense of the qualifications. Paul never did things that were "passable" but that were beyond reproach so that t the church could not be blamed in any way because of his leadership. 2 Corinthians 6:3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed: