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  1. As in the case of Cornelius, he must have been under God's conviction that is why he sought God. Perhaps, he already has heard about God and has read the Scriptures that he feared God, and that was leading to his salvation. My question is about men according to their nature and are lost, and have not heard of the gospel truth. My second question is, if all men hate God, when does the change of mind and heart occur to respond to God in faith. Was it before salvation or after. Does he loves sin when he believed in God for salvation or there was already a change of mind from sin to loving God, and believing in Christ?
  2. Do all men hate God prior to hearing the gospel? Or you believe that by nature all men love God.
  3. I would agree with the author of this book but not with the Pentecostals nor of Andersonism doctrine which has the same definition of repentance of sin to that of the Pentecostals and cults.
  4. I believe the idea that repentance of sin is a work of quitting from sin is of Pentecostal origin. I have read an article that Curtis defined repentance of sin as to quit from sin, whereas the man prior to him who led the Sword of the Lord believes in repentance of sin as requisite of salvation. So it was Hyles and Curtis where the idea evolved and they categorized repentance and repentance of sin as two different thing, until Steven Anderson discovered and interpreted Jonah 3: 10 that God saw their works that it is repentance of sin, though the passage does no really say that. If you saw your child's actions that he changed his mind from playing throwing dirt to your car to cleaning your car, would you say that the change of mind is the child's actions? No!!! Rather the child's action of cleaning your car is the result of the change of mind, and the change of mind is not the action.
  5. I think the belief that there is no more repentance for salvation and the belief that it requires work to be saved are both extremely wrong and unbiblical. Romans chapter 4 and James chapter two speaks of justification by works before men, and justification by faith before God. Works are fruits or manifestations of repentance and faith, yet true faith can exist even before works exists, yet salvation is based on faith (repentance implied) not based on works. But for those who believe that salvation is by faith without repentance is actually they only have intellectual belief. The sequence is Intellectual belief or head knowledge --> Repentance --> Saving Faith Repentance when it comes to man's salvation is referring to repentance from sin. Iniquity is sin, rebellion is sin, unbelief is sin, all unrighteousness is sin.. No need to make it plural all of them are called sin. 1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
  6. This statement of yours is agreeable with me, " Furthermore, I would contend that in the matter of repentance for salvation specifically, the change of decision is NOT the decision to quit sinning, but IS precisely the decision to place faith in the Savior from sin and condemnation.". I may rephrase this statement based on my understanding that repentance is a change of mind from sin (after being convicted of sin and condemnation) to trust in Jesus as Savior. Repentance from sin is never work, or meant as quitting from sin. The Andersonites are inclined to believe in different plan of salvation for the Old Testament people when they are ask about Isaiah 55: 7. They would interpret that statement "Let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts" meant that the wicked to obtain pardon, they are to work hard in forsaking their way and sinful thoughts. Or they cannot explain this passage. I have asked so many Andersonites and those who believe similar to him but they cannot explain this passage when I ask with these questions: 1. Are the wicked in this passage saved or not? 2. Is mercy and pardon in this passage about salvation? 3. Is the forsaking in this passage a change of mind/ decision or an effort to work hard to quit sinning? What is your answer to these questions?
  7. There seems to be an influence in his doctrine. Calvinists believe that the sinner cannot repent and believe so they placed repentance and faith after salvation. Anderson believes that man cannot repent of sin without work so he placed repentance of sin after salvation. The truth is that repentance of sin is not work, and work is the result of repentance (of sin) and faith.
  8. I think the reason why they interpreted "Turning from sinful behavior" is a work because they interpreted the word TURNING as a work or effort to stop sinning. If TURNING FROM INIQUITY is a work then the purpose of preaching the gospel which is to TURN THEM FROM INIQUITY is to make them work to be saved. But that is contradictory to the whole teaching of the Bible. Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. (Acts 3:25-26) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. (Galatians 3:8) To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. (Acts 26:18) Is the TURNING from darkness to light a work?
  9. It seems that there is no Baptist preacher in the history of Baptists that interprets Jonah 3: 10 that repentance of sin is a work. Steven Anderson must have been the first person to interpret such verse to support the idea that repentance of sin is work. Early Baptist preachers never preach and interpret Jonah 3: 10 as repentance of sin is work. There is no clear statement where the passage say that God saw that repentance of sin is a work, therefore it is only an interpretation of Steven Anderson which has influenced so many preachers.
  10. What do you think of the Illustration below, why would the word repentance change its meaning if it is about sin, whereas if it is about writing a letter, still it does not mean that the effort of writing is the repentance. Why is it that when it is about sin, the repentance is not only a change of mind but it becomes a work or effort?
  11. This is what I observed also, so in my conclusion that Steven Anderson is the first man to give interpretation that repentance of sin is a work and many others followed him and accepted his belief.
  12. It could be Steven Anderson who first interpreted Jonah 3: 10 that repentance of sin is a work.
  13. According to the Andersonites, (followers of Anderson) that there is no change of mind and heart from sin when the sinner receives Christ by faith. There is no feeling of being sorry about sin and that means he still is so much in love with sin and hates God, no change of mind and heart. According to them, repentance is not a change of mind and attitude toward sin, but that the sinner just believe in God although he is still in love with sin. According to them, no emotion needed to trust Christ, no feeling of being sorry about sin. What do you think?
  14. If the father saw his eldest son's work in the field that he changed his mind from disobedience, it would not mean that the repentance from disobedience is the work. In fact he repented first before he went to work, and the word repented is past tense. But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. (Matthew 21:28-29)
  15. Many have misunderstood Jonah 3: 10 they made this verse as the basis for repentance of sin as work. And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. (Jonah 3:10) Here are some similar statements and they do not change the meaning of repentance which is change of mind into repentance of sin as work. If you saw your child's actions that he changed his mind from playing in the mud. The change of mind is not the action rather the actions is the result of the change of mind. The policeman saw the car turning that the driver changed his mind from going to a wrong direction. This does not mean that the turning of the car is the changed of mind of the driver rather it is the result of the changed of mind. The instructor saw the student's good driving that he changed his mind from his wrong way of driving. This does not mean that the good driving is the changed of mind from wrong driving. Rather the good driving is the result of a change of mind from wrong driving. Thus those who believe that repentance of sin is a work have so misunderstood the passage and twisted it to fit their ideas.
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