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  1. There is also Way of Life Literature: http://wayoflife.org David Cloud’s site has many free books and articles, and even videos and powerpoints on defending the King James Bible.
  2. No one has said or indicated this on these boards - as I stated before, being backslidden (or even struggling at times, etc.) is not the same thing as rejecting the Lord/the truth and becoming apostate. A true believer will NEVER do that - God would stop them from ever getting to that point, even if it means taking them home first. AND someone who utterly rejects the Lord and His salvation, etc. was NEVER saved or a true believer to begin with, despite how they might have appeared for a time.
  3. Jesus keeps His own - it’s not a matter of us enduring to the end (that’s referring to physical deliverance, not spiritual), but of Jesus preserving those He has saved. If we wander, He chastizes us - and the final step of chastizing us is to take us home to be with Him. I don’t believe in Lordship salvation in the sense of us cleaning our lives up before we trust Jesus and are given the indwelling Holy Spirit (we have no power to overcome sin before we are saved) - we don’t MAKE Jesus Lord of our lives - but we do need to believe His is Lord and that He has the right to tell us what to do day by day in our lives - He does that through His Word, which becomes (or should become) our guide when we become God’s children. I do believe that we need to realize He IS Lord to some extent when we come to Him for salvation. He is the Lord God, the Lord Jesus Christ. God’s main name in the Bible is LORD/Lord (Jehovah/Adonai respectively - Kurios in the NT). I did not clean up my life before trusting in the “Lord” Jesus Christ for salvation, but I repented of my sin and turned to the Saviour - I stopped going my own way in life (overall) and chose to go His way, looking to His Word from that time onwards to learn what that way was - and as I walk with Him, we work on my life together, according to His will. See verses below. (For the record, if at any time in my spiritual walk with Jesus/God, I stop going His way or buck and kick, that’s called backsliding - and according to Hebrews 12 and other passages, God won’t let His children go on in disobedience without chastizing and consequences). Matthew 11:28-30 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you (that’s working together), and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Song of Songs 2:15 Take us (that’s together with the Lord) the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.
  4. Right. I have attended several non-denominational groups as a much younger believer in the early to mid 90’s - ones such as Bible Chapels and Christian Centres when I was living in Kelowna. When I moved to Saskatchewan for a couple of years, I checked out those groups there, and they had the same beliefs, practices, etc. That makes them a denomination, despite what they may claim.
  5. Never said believing was not the essential thing - but disagreed with you creating your own definition of the word “be.” The word has the idea of doing something, being something (the context determineds what someone is to BE) - it does not mean believe in any sense of the word just because both words have the same first letters.
  6. I will clarify, it is hyperdispensationalists doing what you said (not dispensationalists overall). Being a dispensationalist is Biblical - this is an acknowledgement that God had different rules and ways of working in different periods of man's history. That is literally what dispensations are - the word means house laws. In the Garden of Eden (what is often referred to as the age of innocence), the only command they had was not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then was what is often referred to as the age of conscience. Later, Noah built and ark and the new inhabitants were under human government now (not directly governed by God), later there was the period of the patriarchs and the promises of God, then the period of the Law, now we are in the church age/grace - one salvation, but different commands on how we are to live, different levels of knowledge, next will be the Day of the Lord (including the tribulation period and the Millennium/the kingdom age), then eternity. Don't worry about the names, they are just for clarification and identification. The takeawy is that there are seven or eight distinct clear ages or period in man's history where God dealt with them differently - all failed or will fail, except eternity, where only true regenerated and immortal (ie. no longer mortal, sinful bodes) believers dwell in the presence of God. Ephesians gets into the dispensations or ages - so it is a Biblical concept. The problem comes when hyperdispensationalist come to divide the history of man in ways the Bible does not (ie. different salvation, this or that part of the Bible ONLY for that time period - not taking into account certain things being types which were later fulfilled or ceremonial things, etc. Also, some may differ on exact time periods or details of some aspect of a dispensation (such as what you mentioned above about the exact start of the church), but that is why we need to rightly divide the Word of God and not throw out or reject Biblical concepts because some have gone overboard on something. Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Dispensation is: "oikonomía, (which is literal laws of the house - nomia laws, oikos house) from G3623; administration (of a household or estate); specially, a (religious) "economy":—dispensation, stewardship. This exact form of the word is used seven times in the NT (1 listed above and 6 below - I don't know if there are more right now as I am just giving a quick reply - but there are other passages and terms used to teach this principle): Luke 16:2 And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward. Luke 16:3 Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed. Luke 16:4 I am resolved what to do, that, when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses. 1 Corinthians 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me. Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; If necessary, we can start a thread to give further info/discussion on this.
  7. For the last few years, the Berean Call has made various ebooks and tracts/pamphlets by Dave Hunt and others at the Berean Call available for free download. I do not endorse everything about Dave Hunt, but he is one of the best out there for exposing doctrinal and practical corruption in modern Christendom. There are two official sites that I am aware of that are offering some of their material for free downloads: Shop | The Berean Call This one you will need to create an account (name, address, does not ask for any payment info because these materials are free) and add the free ebooks you are interested in to your basket (if given the choice, choose pdf as devices and ereaders (and webpages) can handle that, some of the other options like epub are only usable with a specific program, so I don't recommend that, unless you know it is what you need). They will send you a receipt (for $0), then in a separate email the download link (this could come an hour or two later). The Official Store of The Berean Call – TBC Store (davehunt.org) This site does not need a login, and as soon as you checkout, it goes to the page you can download the ebook. I would check both sites, as not all their products overlap. Yesterday, I saw Occult Invasion for free. This is a basically 500 page book that I had read some of a couple of years ago. Glad to see it here now. Of course, download any and all that you are interested in. Some of the other good ones they have available now are: What Love Is This? (book exposing Calvinism), Judgment Day (on Israel and the Middle East), Showtime For the Sheep (the danger of Hollywood depictions of Jesus), Newsletter Reprints (this is every one of their monthly newsletters that are available since the ministry started in 1986, updated every year with the previous year added - contains a TOC and an index of subjects). I think Mind Invaders and Sanctuary of the Chosen are both fiction, exposing the occult, etc. I would suggest at least downloading all the books, if not the tracts or the pamphlets.
  8. Behold is a hyperdispensationalist - probably in the same crowd as Robert Breaker and Gene Kim. They only believe out of the whole Bible that Paul’s letters are applicable to the church - and even if Hebrews was written by Paul, it was written before he got his gospel from God so therefore is not for the church either. So literally they only accept 87 out of the 1189 chapters of the whole Bible! Sad!
  9. Paul was a missionary and a church planter - yet he still was sent out from the Antioch church, like church planters and missionaries today. Not sure why such a “great and wise Bible teacher” as yourself is so blind he cannot see or acknowledge that basic fact. Maybe you are too puffed up by your supposed knowledge. 1 Corinthians 8:1b Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
  10. You are right, Dave. Like missionaries and evangelists today, Paul had his own sending church - and it was Antioch.
  11. To clarify, Genesis 6:9 has two different word for generations. Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. The first one is the one used throughout Genesis 11 times in the phrase “these are the generations of” to give the genealogies of first the heavens and the earth, then the various lines of people whose history is given in that book. Though the word used in the phrase “perfect in his generations” is the word used for age, dwelling, etc.
  12. I started looking up the word generation(s), and the first time it is used in English, it is thus Hebrew word (that is used 39 times): h8435. תּוֹלְדָה tôleḏâ; or תֹּלְדָה toldah; from 3205; (plural only) descent, i.e. family; (figuratively) history: — birth, generations. So this one is sometimes referring to descendants, children - though the first reference is to the heavens and the earth: Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, In Genesis 6:9, it is an entirely different word and a different meaning, as shown above.
  13. It’s not a reference to him procreating. It mentions generations because he lived in two entirely different generations of people - those before the flood and those after. The word for generations in Genesis 6:9 means: “properly, a revolution of time, i.e. an age or generation; also a dwelling.” It comes from a root word meaning “dwell.” It is a reference to the times he lived, not any children he may have begotten. I do not know if the word “generation(s)” is used in a sexual sense in the Bible (it will take a little bit of time to look up and check all the Hebrew words in those 206 passages), but it is certain that this particular word used for this exact Hebrew word translated here and in 132 other passages is not referring to sexual activity or offspring.
  14. This is my opinion and my personal experience talking with others - but for all my experience and all that others have expressed to me, a backslider is ashamed or embarassed to talk about Jesus, etc. because they are not doing right. They typically do not renounce God, the Bible, Christianity, reject the doctrines they previously embraced. To reject what you once professed is what is referred to as apostasy. A backslider is not an apostate, and an apostate was never saved in the first place - despite how fervent and religious they might have seemed to others at some point in the past.
  15. We don’t earn our way to heaven by our behaviour. You are right. BUT if someone rejects God down the road, that is not an issue of bad behaviour or backsliding, that is proof the faith was never from the heart, never real in the first place. Matthew 13:5-6 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. Luke 8:6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. Matthew 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. Luke 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
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