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  2. “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Hebrews 11:3) This is the very first object a... More...View the full article
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  4. Baptist_Bible_Believer

    PROFITING FROM PROVERBS

    "The just man walketh in his integrity: his children are blessed after him" (Proverbs 20:7 KJV). Nowhere is this more vividly illustrated than in the lives of Jonathan Edwards and Max Jukes. This anecdote is taken from "America is Too Young to Die by Leonard Ravenhill, Minneapolis, Minnesota: Bethany Fellowship, 1979, p. 112) Max Jukes, [an] atheist, lived a godless life. He married an ungodly [woman], and from this union there were 310 who died as paupers, 150 were criminals, 7 were murderers, 100 were drunkards, and more than half of the women were prostitutes. His 540 descendants cost the State one and a quarter million dollars [before inflation]. Then there is a record of a great man of God, Jonathan Edwards. He lived at the same time as Max Jukes, but he married a godly [woman]. An investigation was made of 1,394 known descendants of Jonathan Edwards, of which 13 became college presidents, 65 college professors, 3 United States Senators, 30 judges, 100 lawyers, 60 physicians, 75 army and navy officers, 100 preachers and missionaries, 60 authors of prominence, one Vice-President of the United States, 80 public officials in other capacities, 295 college graduates, among whom were governors of states and ministers to foreign countries. Jonathan Edwards' descendants did not cost the state a penny. Today, in the name of tolerance and multiculturalism, we are told that God must be kept out of public view. It is even wrong to say, "God bless America" or "Merry Christmas," according to these "politically correct" demagogues. Instead of the blessings that came to Jonathan Edwards' progeny, we see a growing multitude like the descendants of Max Jukes! "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people" (Proverbs 14:34). Lord, let us live our lives not for today, but for the generations that shall follow us, should You tarry Your return. Perhaps, by Your grace, it might be said a couple of hundred years from now that the reason a family is godly and serving Jesus is because of the life of their great, great grandfather. Give us, O Lord, a godly heritage and progeny! Amen!
  5. Jordan Kurecki

    Saved before the Cross?????

    Men were saved by faith in the OT. Galatians 3:6 KJV [6] Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Romans 4:1-5 KJV [1] What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? [2] For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. [3] For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. [4] Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. [5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. the sacrifices and rituals of the law never endowed salvation or justification. Salvation has Always been by faith alone and always will be.
  6. “Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them.” (Ecclesiastes 12:1) Here is the w... More...View the full article
  7. Baptist_Bible_Believer

    Thank you.

    I would add that it is nice to be able to be a part of a group that loves the Lord and sound biblical doctrine. The worst thing for a Bible believer is to visit a site where it is more than obvious that biblical doctrine is despised because every one "hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation" and none of it is based on a "Thus saith the Lord," but a "what I think it should be," "or how I feel about this or that." It doesn't take too long to get into trouble when one quotes the Bible like it is a final authority or something. Praise the Lord for a place "for brethren to dwell together in unity!"
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  9. Brethren, If the moderators do not mind, the information on this thread,"The Beginning of the New Testament Church," is the foundation for, "The Local Church" study. So, I would like for this thread to be considered the foundation, and continued on, "The Local Church" study. Here is the link to, "The Local Church" thread: Alan
  10. Alan

    Thank you.

    I just wanted to let the moderators know that we appreciate their work, both publicly and privately, in moderating OnLineBaptist. Thank you very much. May God bless you. Alan
  11. Alan

    If You're New Here Please Read

    I appreciate the quotation from Matthew 13:4-42. The parable on the Tares is an important subject in this day and age. God bless!
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    1. Baptist_Bible_Believer

      Baptist_Bible_Believer

      You got rid of a doozie last evening . . . keep up the good work!

  13. Baptist_Bible_Believer

    Saved before the Cross?????

    I had this one guy tell me that his grandmother never made it to heaven because even though she accepted the Lord as Saviour, she was never baptized in a baptist church that could not trace their rite of baptism in an unbroken line to John the Baptist. I called him a member of the Baptist Church of Christ, in Christian love, of course. He told me I wouldn't make it either. Amen! We are the Bride of Christ and will be arrayed in fine linen, which is the righteousness of saints! But I'm no bride of some church.
  14. John Young

    Saved before the Cross?????

    I'm not a Baptist brider but I am a New Jerusalem bride birther, by virtue of salvation, who happens to be a baptist in doctrine. Psalm 87:5-6 And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her. 6 The Lord shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah. Revelation 19:7-8 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. Revelation 21:9-14 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 and had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 on the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
  15. Baptist_Bible_Believer

    Saved before the Cross?????

    Reminds me of being back in Bible college and our daily theological discussions in the coffee shop. Ah, those were the days! That was also where I learned that the college was crawling with Briders.
  16. Jim_Alaska

    Saved before the Cross?????

    Great topic and discussion, thanks to all who participate.
  17. heartstrings

    Saved before the Cross?????

    No. The sacrifices and observances of the law never saved anyone; it was always by grace through faith. King James Bible Par ▾ hebrews 10 1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
  18. Baptist_Bible_Believer

    Saved before the Cross?????

    I preface my thoughts by saying that I believe that the Old Testament believer was just as saved as any saint in the New Testament. Their destiny was the same except that for one was the promise of the land for an eternal inheritance and the other is promised a mansion in heaven. Saying that, however, I must also ask . . . Could an Old Testament saint lose their salvation? Was there a belief in an unconditional eternal security before the cross? Did the Law have anything to do with salvation in the Old Testament? What would happen if a saved Old Testament saint decided to stop participating in the sacrifices and offerings? <edited to remark: I'm not sure why the site merges separate posts . . . it was my intention that this be a prefatory post> The Jews read and studied their Bibles from a child and no doubt memorized many, many passages, including Isaiah 53. Their teachers taught them that it refered to Israel as a nation, not to a suffering Saviour. If you ask a Rabbi today what Isaiah 53 means he will simply tell you that he is not trained in such knowledge. From what I understand of my Bible, when the Bereans heard Paul preach the same message that a Eunuch from Ethiopia heard they turned to their Bibles and compared Paul's words with Isaiah's and found themselves in agreement. Paul, in I Corinthians 15:2-4 says that the Gospel is "according to the Scriptures," so without doubt the biblical method of salvation was there from Genesis 3:15 and all the way through -- but no one understood it. Timothy also was taught from a child the Scriptures so that when he heard the application it became clear and he understood it. He had the wisdom, no doubt from Proverbs, and since Wisdom in Proverbs is the embodiment of Jesus Christ, he readily understood the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Of course, Jews were saved under the Old Testament economy . . . but New Testament eternal salvation with the sealing of the Holy Spirit of God? Nope. Peter wrote: "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into" (I Peter 1:11-12 KJV). The key phrase is "the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven," that is, the gospel was preached after the day of Pentecost. Prior to than, every time Isaiah 53 was read in the synagogue, the gospel was being preached as to the death of Christ, but who understood it? It was not mixed with faith in them that heard it. For years, I believed that folks were saved in the Old Testament by looking forward to the cross, and in the New Testament by looking back at the cross. I had to reject that view, even though that was the view of my professors back at Bible College. Who in the Old Testament even understood what a cross was? Sure, they had Moses' serpent on a pole - but did they visualize the cross that Christ would die on?
  19. heartstrings

    Saved before the Cross?????

    Luke 2:25-35 King James Version (KJV) 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. 27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, 28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. Every single verse in this passage indicates that Simeon was already a child of God, looking FORWARD toward to Christ. He was an "old testament saint".
  20. Baptist_Bible_Believer

    A bit of grace folks?

    Not a problem, brother! We are all dumb block sinners saved by God's grace. You should hear the disagreements and arguments that I have with myself! I don't think I could post them.
  21. DaveW

    A bit of grace folks?

    Well, that is another subject isn't it... I didn't think it was appropriate to address that particular subject in that thread, and I didn't do anything for some time, because I didn't consider it worthy of my time then. I have found the time now, but I did not direct it specifically at you, because I was not actually certain that you position was contrary to what I have posted. I have actually had discussions elsewhere round this subject specifically, and I thought I would introduce the discussion here. I have not however, included any discussion in that thread regarding the Holy Spirit, which I believe is more where your contention on that matter lies - so, no, not specifically directed at your post, but shall we say partially influenced by it. I would not have posted it if it were not for other discussions I have been having recently. It is for discussion, not for animosity. If you wish to discuss that other thread, I respectfully ask you to do so in that thread so that we do not get everything mixed up in two threads. note: I just went back and had a look at that thread - embarrassingly, I obviously didn't read your posts very well - there is a much closer alignment than I realised between your posts and my new thread - I apologise, for it does seem that I am targeting you in it - It was not my intention - I thought your posts were far more wrapped up in the issue of the Holy Spirit. I would not have posted that thread if I had realised the level of alignment. I will remove it if you like, but please accept my apology for the accidental appearance of attack. It was unintentional. I did say I was a dumb bloke - sometime dumber than others I am afraid......
  22. DaveW

    A bit of grace folks?

    Brother Jordan, I think I tried to address that in my "I am not" section..... 😁 I absolutely agree that there are times for precision in language - I am talking about in casual conversations where we, instead of being complete in our wording, we take the "easy way out" knowing that the people we are talking to will understand. Where I might say "I trusted the Lord when I was 16 years old" - you know me well enough to know that I mean the Lord Jesus Christ, that I mean with regard to His death, burial, and resurrection, to know that I mean I confessed my sins and my sinful nature to Him and asked Him to save me, and whatever other details we may have discussed over the years. The kind of thing you are talking about is in regard to the teaching of salvation, which needs to be clear and concise. This is precisely what I am talking about - teaching threads - go for it - investigate every detail and make sure that whoever is leading that thread is totally biblically on track. But if someone causally mentions a point in passing in conversation, then we might let it slide - only because we know that it was not appropriate to go into minute detail in that instance. And I was not referring only to the matter of salvation - that was just the immediate subject that was on my mind.
  23. Baptist_Bible_Believer

    A bit of grace folks?

    I take you at your word. That is sufficient. Then your other thread posted recently about salvation in the New Testament as opposed to the Old Testament is also not referencing some of the things that I have posted recently - where I stated that there is no New Testament salvation until after the death, burial and resurrection of Christ?
  24. Jordan Kurecki

    A bit of grace folks?

    Bro Dave, respectfully, I think of all issues to be precise with language, the things of the Gospel and eternal life are most important. I cannot tell you how many people I have met who doubt their salvation, all because of well meaning preachers who were not precise and careful with what they said. I have made a few threads on this issue: https://onlinebaptist.com/forums/topic/27152-rethinking-evangelism/?tab=comments#comment-438652
  25. DaveW

    A bit of grace folks?

    Ummm…. no, I did not direct this at anyone in any way shape or form. If you think that this applies to you, then maybe you should ask the Lord to help you with that aspect of your current place, but I did not have you in mind when I wrote the original post. As I mentioned in the first line, I was talking to myself as much as others. The basic fact is that it has happened time and time again on OLB, where someone has stated something in a very simple, but technically insufficient way, and ahs been pounced on by one or more members. I can think of at least two member who are not you who have done something like this in very recent times, and if I go back a little further in my mind I can find remember post of my own doing just this - I would venture to say that some on this site took one look at the OP and thought PRECISELY OF ONE OF MY POSTS. I would counsel any other posters, rather than accuse me and thereby your own self, if you think I am posting directly at you, do not expose yourself, but take it to the Lord. I assure you all, that I did not have any one single poster in mind when I posted the original post. If I thought you had overstepped the mark in such a way that I needed to address it, I would PM you about it, or openly post in the particular relevant thread. Many things I am, but cowardly is not one of them. Dumb absolutely is...…. but cowardly - not so much.
  26. Baptist_Bible_Believer

    Rock Tumbling

    Nice biblical application of the patient Lord working on us. Reminds me of the song kids sing. He's still working on me To make me what I need to be It took him just a week to make the moon and stars The sun and the earth and Jupiter and Mars How loving and patient He must be 'Cause He's still workin' on me
  27. Baptist_Bible_Believer

    A bit of grace folks?

    As a young man I believed in the concept of Jesus Christ. I attended a movie presentation by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association at our local theater. I know that he presented the Gospel and as a (I think) 13-year-old kid I believed in what they were saying, but it lasted about three hours and I was back to my old ways . . . which weren't very nice. But had anyone asked me, I would have said, Yeah, I believe in Jesus. In fact, as a "concept" I believed in Jesus as a Catholic (though we Bible Believers that that is not the Jesus of the Bible) . . . but there you have it. I believed. Those of you that have read my testimony know that I became a Mormon. Thank God that I was eventually, thoroughly, completely saved in 1976. If I would have died in September I'd be in hell right now. Now, God used that Graham movie to plant a seed, but no one watered it until I heard the Gospel and finally understood it. Now, 42-years-later. What of discernment? What of sensing doubt in another? What of attempting to clarify the issue? Is that an attack by some people's standard? Peter reminds us that we need to be certain: "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall" (II Peter 1:10 KJV). (Edited to add that I am not now nor ever have been a Calvinist, even though I used a verse with the word "election" in it. Of course, we understand that election and predestination are solely founded on the foreknowledge of God). How is it that after years of ministry and preaching the Gospel, some good pastors walk the aisle to be saved? When a man knows he is saved he KNOWS that he is saved, and no one will convince him that he is lost. But if a man is pretty sure he is saved, at least he remembers a day back when he mentally assented to a historical Jesus, but 100% sure? Well, maybe. We all know that before we can get a man saved we must get him lost first, especially when they are 'religious.' Did I attack the person that I was working with? No, but I was sure attacked by another that decided he didn't appreciate my approach. It is fairly obvious that I am the subject of this OP.
  28. Baptist_Bible_Believer

    PROFITING FROM PROVERBS

    "A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape" (Proverbs 19:5 KJV). "A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish" (Proverbs 19:9 KJV). Often, in Scripture, when the word "witness" is used it is speaking of a spiritual, or godly, testimony. Of course, that includes lying to others, or bearing a false witness. In this instance I believe it is pointing to the false shepherd assuming to speak for the Lord, giving directions to the people, when he was not sent by God. And I doubt there is anything more loathsome to the Lord than a lying shepherd . . . "My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace" (Jeremiah 50:6 KJV). Someone presuming to speak for the Lord and telling lies to the people is forewarned that not only will he not escape [God's righteous judgment] but he shall perish [spend an eternity in hell]. I do not unjustly judge, for if a man preaches another gospel other than the one that Paul delivered of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, a salvation of grace and not works - that man is accursed - and cannot possibly be saved himself for that would mean that he knew the true gospel and would teach it. Lord, help us to always carefully handle Your Word so that we do not allow error to creep in. We know we are saved, but in some areas of the Word we are prone to wonder into error. Help us, dear Lord, to rightly divide the Word of truth which has been delivered to us and preserved unto all generations. Amen.
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