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  2. In my yesterday's post from brother David Cloud, that I quoted from Salyan, brother Cloud deals with the "KJV inspiration" issue. I agree with brother Cloud. Here is that link again: https://www.wayoflife.org/database/ruckman.html The KJV 1769 and the 1611 issue is off subject in this thread and has been dealt with in other threads on Online Baptist.
  3. John was describing the Great tribulation time that Jesus warned about while still here on the earth...
  4. His main problem on the Bible to me was that he seemed to be saying that the 1611 kjv was inspired in exactly same fashion that the original books are were by God! And I do use the Kjv to do my studies with, but the 1769, is just the 1611 the real one then?
  5. I would love to come to Australia and have the opportunity to serve the Lord...that's one of my personal dreams! By the way...I already have personal and first-hand knowledge of Emus (long story)! However, my wife is afraid that one of those evil Australian spiders will bite her (or one of us)...so she would rather us move to Florida...where alligators and boa constrictors help themselves to people's backyards and swimming pools.
  6. By the way, Brother Graham (Lydia's Dad), is a nice guy and a very accomplished musician, aside from anything else. (I don't know him well - doubt he would recognise me at all, but I have met him a few times, and been privileged to hear him play. We live about 4000km away)
  7. Do American’s love Australians too? I wish we had more churches like you do. I’m a pastor’s daughter. Number eight in a line of nine children, A.C.E homeschooled, had to flee the state we lived in because child protection services were after us kids (ever heard of that? My sister put us in. Nice girl), I.B conservative Baptist, the whole bit. I love Andrew Murray, F.B Meyer, Francis Schaffer, my parents have been around for three hundred and ninety-five years (actually Dad’s in his seventies), been through every kind of church problem you can think of and met every kind of Christian nut imaginable (Pharisees included). Don’t you love those people that think even sugar’s sinful. Anyway, There are about 180 I.B churches in Australia. Most are in NSW, QLD and VIC. There are about 3 in Tasmania and 1 in Northern Territory. There are about 9 in South Australia (where I was born), 5 of which are in Adelaide city. My Dad started the first I.B church in South Australia about forty some years ago after coming back from bible college in Springfield Massouri (sorry can’t spell). He was actually raised church of Christ and had never heard of the I.Bs because there were hardly any in Australia back then. Actually there was one church called Calvary Baptist in S.A that had been going a year before he started his but he was almost the first anyway. Might aswell have been, there wasn’t anyone around. It was called Northside Baptist Church. Now my brother Simeon Western pastors the church. It wasn’t planned. There have been other pastors between Dad and him but that’s what ended up happening. We actually live in Bathurst, N.S.W now. The churches here are typically between 60-80 people. A hundred or more is considered big. Churches of 30-50 are very common also. Apart from the cities, churches are typically hundreds of KM apart. America has about 25 times the number of I.B churches as Australia. I believe you have around 9,200 or something like that. Australia has about 180 - 200 maybe that any one directory is aware of. Certainly not thousands anyway. It’s really lonely, actually. There are some hidden flowers growing in this desert. Good ones too. The sort of people that you look at and say, “Wow, why hasn’t anyone found you yet?” But Ill be honest and say that Americans are better looking than Australians I think (not that looks are everything. I’m just half asleep and thought I’d say it). Anyway, off topic. So if anyone wants to be a missionary to Australia, you can come and you can meet my family too. We’re in Bathurst, N.S.W and have about fourty-fifty people in our country church. But we have a really nice home and we’re normal by the way. The sort of people that you could talk for hours with about church problems over a cup of tea? Great isn’t it. Anyway, I hope some Americans will love Australians and I’ll be sure to love you back if you ever come. God bless.
  8. Lol Yes, I think I agree. Although, maybe Jeremiah was just saying that gold covered Christmas trees were not acceptable for the Christmas celebration. I wonder if they had turkey for Christmas dinner or maybe it was goat as a sort of middle eastern adaption to the Roman Catholic version of Christmas, or the American version of Christmas.
  9. HI Tom. Thank you for answering. If I may ask (in regard to the same verse), what does "saved" mean?
  10. My father is an I.B Pastor here in Australia. I’ll just throw my ten cents worth in. My Dad attended a Bible College in Springfield Massouri. That’s how he became an I.B. He thinks that Bible College is good for giving a man a balanced view from different pastors, rather than only ever hearing their Dad preach, for instance. America has about 20-25 times the amount of I.B churches as in Australia. We are typically small isolated churches with hundreds and thousands of km between us. Actually, it’s very lonely. Two churches in one town is unheard of. Sydney has the most all in one place. Maybe 10-15. Typical church size is maybe 60. Small is 20 or 30, and there are a lot of those. Big is a hundred or more. Anyway, all that to say, when a man grows up in a church of thirty people and only gets to hear another preacher once a year at a conference, and rarely visits another church, the chances of going a bit wacko is more possible because it’s just him and his brain. Isolation is not always gold. I know some good boys coming up the line (precious few), but I do have some real concerns. There’s so so much they don’t know. My Dad has pastored three churches and is in his seventies (I’m number 8 in a line of 9 children. All homeschooled ACE), so I have so much to draw on with him. And I also went to college for a year. Anyway, I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of the child protection services targeting homeschoolers, but that happened to us through my backslidden older siblings. Out of the blue we had to flee the state and leave everything behind. It was really scary but God just used it for good in the end. My Dad started the first I.B church in South Australia (actually there was one other going for about a year before Northside though). We’ve got about 150 I.B churches in Australia maybe. There’s about one in the Northern Territory, maybe two in W.A, three in Tasmania? Most are N.S.W, QLD and VIC. South australia has maybe five good ones all up and they’re mostly in Adelaide where my brother Simeon’s church is. Australia is only about 7 square km smaller than the States. But we have less people because only about 10% of Australia is habitable. America has about 30,500 people to every one church. We’ve got more like a couple hundred thousand per one church or more.
  11. Donald Trump lol . So funny. That cracked me up. Donald Trump knows how to sound, that’s for sure. Sound BIG.
  12. I’m sorry, but there’s no good news for the Christian during the tribulation. A multitude from all kindreds and tongues and nations are going to be beheaded. And just on the side? Try this. Second seal - a great world war. Third - begins the suffering of famine and inflation (the aftermath of war). Fourth seal - war results in death, but in this case it totals one-fourth of the people and living creatures. By today’s population standards, that would amount to ONE AND A HALF BILLION PEOPLE. Whoops daysy. Fifth - so many Christians slain that they can’t be numbered. Sixth - mighty earthquake, the like of which has never been experienced. It is so severe that people call on the rocks to fall on them. Seventh - introduces the Seven Trumpet Judgments, ending the first quarter of the Tribulation period and preparing for an even worse period called the “day of His [God’s] wrath.” First trumpet - one-THIRD of all trees and green grass being burned up by hail, fire, and blood cast upon the earth. Second trumpet - a great mountain of sulfur falling into the sea and destroying a THIRD-part of the sea and all living creatures in it and a third of the shipping vessels. Third - causes a great star (or meteor) called Wormword (or “bitter”) to fall on the fountains of water and a THIRD of rivers to turn bitter, resulting in the deaths of millions. Fourth - one-THIRD less sun, moonlight, and stars, extending the darkness of night. Fifth trumpet - introduces hideous demon-like creatures such as scorpions and locusts out of the bottomless pit. Not able to kill men, they torture them so badly that they “will seek death and will not find it.” Sixth trumpet - introduces two hundred million horsemen (demon spirit-like death angels), who kill one-THIRD of the people. This will occur between the fortieth and forty-second month of the first part of the Tribulation, which brings to 50 PERCENT the population that is destroyed by God before the midpoint of the Tribulation. These individuals have taken the mark of the Beast and are considered incorrigibles. Since estimates of upwards of a quarter of those living at that time still be saved under the preaching of the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7:9, it is possible that 75 PERCENT of the population 25 PERCENT by martyrdom) will have been destroyed during the first half of the Tribulation period. So horrendous, so terrible that we can’t even imagine. And all in the space of three years. No wonder God said that unless he came again that there would be no flesh left on earth. Imagine at the end of all this saying....but this isn’t God’s wrath. It’s ALL God’s wrath. No WONDER the angel said. “These are they that have come out of [THE] great tribulation”. Greek Word definite article. A mark of false doctrine is when they take a few verses and then wrench everything else in to fit. The last trump referring to the last trumpet judgment, for example. Didn’t anyone think that Revelation hadn’t even been written yet when Paul wrote that? John hadn’t had the vision yet, so how could Paul be referring to it? Revelation was A.D 96. 1 Corinthians was A.D 59. The revelation was to John for the first time. This was all completely new to John because he asked questions throughout. Thus “The Revelation”. Wouldn’t be a Revelation if he already knew about it all from Paul.
  13. Revelation 7:9,14 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; ...These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. greek Word is “THE great tribulation”. And this is still in the first half. And yes, there will be multitudes of Christians on earth during the tribulation who will be converted. And these same multitudes will be beheaded. Write down on a piece of paper all the things “us Christians” will go through. If the first half of the tribulation isn’t wrath, then what is it? You cant hang your hat on one assumption that the trumpet Paul was referring to in Thessalonians is the last trumpet judgement. The last trump was sounded when it was time to move camp. The first trumpet got everyone packing their tents up and then there were some other calls and then the last trump was when everyone left. Paul is using a picture like he often does. Anyway, it’s not clear enough to hang a whole doctrine on. Actually, Revelation was A.D 96. 1 Corinthians was A.D 59. How could Paul be referring to the last trump of a vision that hadn’t happened yet? When the Lord said “and then shall be great tribulation”, in the Greek there is not the definite article “THE great tribulation” as present in the other tribulation mentions. Things will ramp up, yes, but once again, you can’t hang a whole doctrine on it and then try to wrench all the other scriptures around to fit it. And besides, if the rapture happened at the mid-point, all of Israel would be raptured because they’re saved by that point at the time of the Russian-Muslim invasion. There would not BE an Israel. Because the Bible says that ALL Israel will be saved in that day when the Lord defends them. Israel as a nation wouldn’t exist anymore for when the Lord comes again. Also, would there be any sheep left to divide from the goats at the end? Nothing but goats left on earth, right? For the last half?
  14. I am not confusing last trumps. I pointed to the very last trump.
  15. To answer no nicolatains, endure means to outlast and stay strong through the tribulation and the hour of temptation. Don’t give in to the worlds demands. He will reward your faithfulness.
  16. There will be Christians on earth until the Last Day. Jesus said THE SAME DAY that Noah entered their ark the flood came and destroyed all. Also the SAME DAY that Lot left Sodom, fire and brimstone destroyed all. Then he said EVEN THUS shall it be when the son of man is revealed. Two shall be in the field and the other left. Look up for your redemption draws nigh. We are appointed to tribulation but not wrath. Don’t confuse the Scriptures with many different last trumps or throne judgements. The sun will be darkened when they shall say “peace and safety”. I look for that new heavens and a new earth. The Day of the Lord is at hand when he shall give a shout. The greatest earthquake ever will also commence. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with him to meet the Lord in the air. It’s really not complicated.
  17. Revelation 18 notes "trumpeters" (shall be heard no more in thee), so we can safely surmise that up to that point trumpeters were heard, and that means that trumpets had to be around. But trumpets are not mentioned again in Scripture after that point, so the last trump was done away with just prior to Revelation 18:22. That would have to be "the last trump", surely. And the last mention of "horn" is in Revelation 17, but I don't think those ones "trumped" at all....... different kind of horn. I think have shown that the last trump was not one of the judgement trumpets at all, but some unknown bloke playing just before Revelation 18. I think I may have trumped you all. Unless of course the last trump spoken of is Donald - does he have a son to carry on the name, or is he "the last Trump"?
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  19. To my knowledge, periodicals should have the number of issues printed, somewhere within the periodical. I am not positive that the BBB (Bible Believers Bulletin), has the information, but it is worth a try to find out. I can give two pieces of advice. 1.Ruckman's Bookstore, actually it is, "The Bible Baptist Bookstore," which is a ministry of the, "Bible Baptist Church," has for sale the digital download of all the issues of the Bible Believers Bulletin from 1978-2017 issues for $32.00. Here is the link to that webpage: http://store.kjv1611.org/downloads-1/ 2. There are several Ruckman graduates in the country that have websites. If you ask some of these brethren, and give them a reasonable reason why you would like the information, or if they have an old copy of the BBB (Bible Believers Bulletin), they may send you one, give you better information than I can, or help you find somebody with the information you seek. Keep us informed of your success, or lack of success.
  20. Mr. Young, thanks for your response! I "cold called" the Bible Baptist Bookstore earlier this week, and unfortunately after speaking with three different people was told straight up that they weren't comfortable giving out that kind of information and data over the phone. They seemed pretty wary of "outsiders," which I understand. If I could just find one or two sources with numbers about Ruckman's readership, or subscriber numbers, etc. in a given year, it would help a ton. Any other suggestions?
  21. Normally I would agree with you, Salyan, but in this case I don’t think his church is ready to approach harmony. I think the best option would be to get the Hymns transposed into a workable key until such time as he can get someone he feels comfortable turning the song leading over to. Believe me, I believe in doing things in the key they are written in. In our church orchestra, one of the rules I set down was no transposing: if they want to play in orchestra, they have to play in all 12 keys. But in this case, I think you would be better in the long run having your song leader comfortable enough with what he is singing to encourage others to want to sing.
  22. Brother Cloud, in the https://www.wayoflife.org/database/ruckman.html article, has this conclusion. "CONCLUSION While I have serious problems with Dr. Ruckman, I also have serious problems with many of his detractors. Many of Peter Ruckman’s most bitter enemies are trying to discredit the idea that there is an authoritative Bible anywhere in the world. They have their own rotten agenda, undermining men’s faith in the preservation of God’s Word (in any practical sense) and attempting to pollute their minds with the strange, unscriptural, convoluted theories of modern textual criticism. “Who, then, can we trust?” some might be thinking? The Word of God says, “Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm ... Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is” (Jer. 17:5, 7). Man is defiled even at his best. Our confidence must be in Jesus Christ and in His eternal Word, and let no man shake your confidence in that."
  23. I have to say that I'm not in favor of transposing music - in the long run, it prevents congregations from learning to sing in good, four-part harmony. This is because if you're trying to transpose a piece down so the melody is at the comfort level of a natural alto or bass, it becomes too low to actually sing alto or bass! There are also very, very few church musicians who can play harmony well while transposing - either you get sight readers (like me) who can't transpose on demand, or you get ear players who can transpose but don't actually get the correct harmonies (again, making it hard to learn four-part singing). Hymns have a much more complicated chord structure than guitar scores account for. If you have a low voice, can you sing the melody an octave lower? The simplest option, if you want to transpose, is to invest in an electric piano (not keyboard) with a transposition option. We just picked one up for our youth camp; it's missing an octave, but it's okay for occasional use (the camp we use has a very old, very out of key acoustic piano!). This one was only $450 CAD (second hand). I strongly dislike electric pianos, but they have their uses.
  24. Here's another IFB perspective: https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/what_about_ruckman.php https://www.wayoflife.org/database/ruckman.html
  25. The following link has some information concerning Dr. Peter Ruckman. Dr. Ruckman has had a tremendous impact on fundamentalists: both negative and positive. His impact would be hard to qualify by numbers found in any magazine, book, or forum. Dr. Ruckman's working knowledge of Hebrew, Greek, English, the various manuscripts, was exceptional. Dr. Ruckman used his knowledge for the defence of the Authorized Version of the Bible, commonly called the King James Version of 1611, and warned the Christian sphere of the lies, deceit, and errors of the corrupt versions of the Bible, starting from the Revised Version. The "Chalk Talk" ministry of Dr. Ruckman also had an exceptional positive impact to a huge amount of folks that cannot be numbered. Even to this day, there are men in the ministry that have started, or patterned, their chalk talk ministry after Dr. Ruckman. The manuscript information of the preservation of the scriptures that Dr. Ruckman wrote should be studied by every student of the Bible. Almost every Bible IFB Bible college, and most of the graduates, have been affected, in some way, by Dr. Ruckman's defence of the Authorized Version of the Bible. The huge impact of his ministry cannot be numbered. Dr. Ruckman's book on, "Manuscript Evidence" is a masterpiece of information to this day. Dr. Ruckman's stand on correct biblical prophecy (pre-millenial and pre-tribulational), and his correct stand on the restoration of the nation of Israel, should be studied by every student of the Bible. Dr. Ruckman's faults are well known and discussed to this day. If, and this is a big if, Dr. Ruckman never got divorced, never tried to justify his two divorces, stepped down from being pastor after his first divorce, had a cleaner tongue, and cleansed his life from these failures; than God would have used him even further among the saints in his age. Alan
  26. TomB, The above study on the trumpets was taken from the following link: TomB, If you would carefully study the "Trumpets" in the Bible, in both the Old and New Testament, it is very clear that the7 trumpets in the book of Revelation, the trumpet in Matthew 24:31, and the "trump of God" as listed in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 are for different reasons and different times. The 7 trumpets in the book of Revelation are all for JUDGMENT and not for the calling of the assembly of Jews nor for the calling of the assembly of the church. Alan
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