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  2. I don't have anything right at my fingertips.. Most of their reporting is on the SBC churches, though. Another place to be wary of is the Roys report.
  3. I had not seen anything about IFB churches just SBC churches. Do you have a link?
  4. Yes, somewhere around that time. They must have been created sometime within the first three days (or first two days), for them all to rejoice on day three.
  5. I agree, I’ve been taught for awhile ( and it makes sense to me ) that Angels where possibly created between verse 1 and 2, now I know most people won’t want to agree with this but to me it makes the most sense.
  6. Mom and I went shopping today, so we stopped and had a late lunch. She got a philly cheese sandwich (made with prime rib - and it's tasty!) and I got a taco salad. Was only able to eat half, so the other half is in the fridge. Hubs asked me to pick him up some tacos from Taco Bell, so I did.
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  8. Tonight will be our second evening of cabbage and kielbasa, with potatoes, onions, celery, and peppers, along with a large piece of cornbread! YUM! For dessert, we'll be having a small bowl of chocolate ice cream...especially since it's 90 degrees here with 72% humidity! Bailey will be having an icesicle! He's always ready for one at 8 PM.
  9. Not that I am saying I am 100% right in every position I post (though I do strive to be Biblical), if the Bible does speak on something, we should do our best to add up all the passages and arrive at the right conclusion, then adjust our understanding and beliefs of Biblical issues and doctrines as the Scriptures are brought to light. Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. If the Bible teaches something - whether by direct statement, by example, or by precept - then we should base our beliefs and understanding of those issues/passages/etc. on what He has revealed. The opposite is also true: if the Lord has not spoken about something, we should be careful to cling to what He has revealed related to that and hold loosely to any opinions or beliefs that the Bible does not speak on at all. This part is not addressed to anyone specifically here in this thread, but it is worth noting (to the best of my understanding and memory) that there are NO passages that refer to the angels or what they were doing before creation week (ie. in eternity past). Many have the opinions that they were created and dwelling in Heaven before that point in time (and some who hold to forms of the gap theory teach that the Devil rebelled and was judged before creation week), yet the Bible does not state anything about this time period at all, other than what God is doing (ie. predetermining the plan of salvation and all that it entails). If there are passages that specify or give more light on this theme that I have overlooked, please share them in this thread or others as you come across them.
  10. Right but Nehemiah does not provide a Chronology
  11. Many treat the issues of sin and corrupt flesh as something they must handle in their own power and think they are still obligated to "maintain their own salvation" by . In Romans 7 Paul the Apostle shows that Salvation by Faith in Christ is not something we have on our own but is marital in nature. The moment we are Saved by Christ we become one Spirit with him and and become part of His household. No longer do we struggle alone with our sin and corruption, while bound by our "old husband", the Law of God, by ourselves but our "head of household", Jesus Christ takes our burdens upon Himself to deal with. No longer do we maintain our own selves but Christ maintains OUR salvation. We no longer stand or fall by our works but rather by His standing before God OUR father. In this message we compare and contrast Salvation by Faith with that of a person before marriage with that of a person after marriage and how that even in our earthly marriages relationships change. So too we should learn to understand how things change by Spiritual marriage by faith in Christ. (Preached Sunday morning, 1-16-2022, by Pastor John Young, at Maranatha Bible Baptist Church, 16990 S 38th St, Mendon, MI 49072, Between Fulton and Menden in Wakeshma Township, Near Kalamazoo and Battle Creek in South West Michigan, https://www.facebook.com/MbbcFulton)
  12. Nehemiah 9:6 is referring to the third heaven though. Also, God had to create the third heaven, and several passages state that ALL He created was in those six days. It is not like the third heaven has always existed if it was a place made for saved mankind and angels to dwell in.
  13. It does seem like the Angels where already worshipping the Lord before the the foundations as they where there present when he did create them. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is Heaven here would not be the third Heaven
  14. They've reported a lot on them lately, I know. Those of us who attend churches in fellowship who are in cooperation with the SBC's mission on missions have a lot of concern as well. One thing we've noticed, though, is that they consistantly misrepresent the SBC, calling it a church when it is a system of autonomous churches, not a single entity. I try not to read the Capstone or any other news regarding the SBC or the IFB churches as they're usually highly inaccurate, or at least driven with the underlying motive to divide and destroy.
  15. I just posted this in my Uncle Murray topic, but I thought it might be appropriate here too. This is a character I do and I have him go off on a little rant about worldly music.
  16. Uncle Murray made it onto a national podcast! But I don't think he was loved by the host too much. Uncle Murray goes off on a little rant about the rock 'n roll, shake your booty kind of music in this one. More Uncle Murray vs. Matt Walsh! With all the jabberin back and forth out there, Uncle Murray talks a little bit about how to talk to each other. Uncle Murray tells people not to rely on Hollywood for their Bible learnin'
  17. They seem to have a lot of concerns about the SBC churches.
  18. I think, based on these passages, that the angels were created by or just before the third day, when the foundations of the earth were laid (and none had fallen yet) - look at the order of events. Genesis 1:9-10, 13 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good... And the evening and the morning were the third day. Job 38:4-7 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Psalm 104:2-5 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain: Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. Nehemiah 9:6 Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee. In the last passage, the host of heaven being referred to are the angels, as the heaven of heaven certainly seems to refer to the third heaven, where the presence of God dwells, and it is stated that those are the host of that heaven (ie. therefore not referring to the stars in the second heaven). That also means the third heaven was not created until creation week - there would be no need to have a "third heaven" as a place until there were occupants in it, which were created during creation week. Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
  19. Just want to point out that Hebrews 1:14 is just declaring a service they provide for our Lord ( Ministering to those who will be heirs of salvation ), but this does not Imply this was the reason the where created. Now in my opinion (and I bet we could prove this out through scripture) all the angels where created to give Glory to God and to worship him, and ministering to his will. I think Hebrews 1:14 would just be a part of their service to him. In that fashion Angels could be pre-existing to our world.
  20. This seems off to me according to the grammar of Ezekiel 28:12-17; for the grammar seems only to describe the "king of Tyrus" himself, not the Garden of Eden at all: "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; 1. Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 2. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; 3. every precious stone was THY COVERING, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: 4. the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 5. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: 6. thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 7. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 8. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: 9. therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 10. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: 11. I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee." Grammatically, in verse 13 (as per #2 & #3 above) the description of precious stones is NOT presented as a description for the Garden of Eden. Rather, the description of precious stones is presented as a description of the king of Tyrus' PERSONAL covering. In fact, the only thing that verse 13 says about the Garden of Eden is simply that the king of Tyrus had been in that garden. It says nothing about precious stones as a part of that garden.
  21. My wife and I had considered going as missionaries to either Mexico or El Salvador in the 1980s. We were in our 20s then and it was something we had prayed about often. We were, as Paul said, hindered by the Spirit, as the Lord had started to open the doors for us to start a church in Spencer, Indiana. But, as we had started looking for apartment or home rentals there we were again hindered with several serious physical challenges. We continued to pray and were led to give what money we had collected to help two different missionaries finish raising their support to go to Mexico and Brazil.
  22. That was my main concern Jerry, one was mineral in nature, while the other was vegetation.
  23. One book I have called The Serpent Of Paradise by Erwin Lutzer states this: This Eden was not the garden of Eden, for this is a description of mineral beauty, not vegetation. It is a garden bedecked with jewels and every form of extravagance, a paradise that is a suitable home for one who possessed creaturely perfections. A couple of the other resources I have do not mention this subject. If I find out any more references, I will try to post them here too.
  24. I have one or two books on Satan, I think. I will check to see if there is anything in them mentioned about the garden of Eden.
  25. Tonight we'll be having hot dogs, pork & beans, and potato chips. This is one of my wife's longer days where she usually doesn't get home until after 6:30 pm. We'll probably finish up with an ice cream sandwich. Bailey, of course, will be getting his daily popsicle. He loves these on the really hot days.
  26. From what I've seen they sometimes report the whole truth. At other times, it seems they have an agenda.....as with all news outlets, take what they say with a grain of salt and research what they're saying.
  27. Is there any integrity to this group and their reporting? Other than they support Alabama Football is there any truth to what they report?
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