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  2. There is also Way of Life Literature: http://wayoflife.org David Cloud’s site has many free books and articles, and even videos and powerpoints on defending the King James Bible.
  3. No one has said or indicated this on these boards - as I stated before, being backslidden (or even struggling at times, etc.) is not the same thing as rejecting the Lord/the truth and becoming apostate. A true believer will NEVER do that - God would stop them from ever getting to that point, even if it means taking them home first. AND someone who utterly rejects the Lord and His salvation, etc. was NEVER saved or a true believer to begin with, despite how they might have appeared for a time.
  4. Jesus keeps His own - it’s not a matter of us enduring to the end (that’s referring to physical deliverance, not spiritual), but of Jesus preserving those He has saved. If we wander, He chastizes us - and the final step of chastizing us is to take us home to be with Him. I don’t believe in Lordship salvation in the sense of us cleaning our lives up before we trust Jesus and are given the indwelling Holy Spirit (we have no power to overcome sin before we are saved) - we don’t MAKE Jesus Lord of our lives - but we do need to believe His is Lord and that He has the right to tell us what to do day by day in our lives - He does that through His Word, which becomes (or should become) our guide when we become God’s children. I do believe that we need to realize He IS Lord to some extent when we come to Him for salvation. He is the Lord God, the Lord Jesus Christ. God’s main name in the Bible is LORD/Lord (Jehovah/Adonai respectively - Kurios in the NT). I did not clean up my life before trusting in the “Lord” Jesus Christ for salvation, but I repented of my sin and turned to the Saviour - I stopped going my own way in life (overall) and chose to go His way, looking to His Word from that time onwards to learn what that way was - and as I walk with Him, we work on my life together, according to His will. See verses below. (For the record, if at any time in my spiritual walk with Jesus/God, I stop going His way or buck and kick, that’s called backsliding - and according to Hebrews 12 and other passages, God won’t let His children go on in disobedience without chastizing and consequences). Matthew 11:28-30 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you (that’s working together), and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Song of Songs 2:15 Take us (that’s together with the Lord) the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.
  5. The problem I see with Lordship salvation, is it tries to make Jesus Lord over every area of life.. number one.. right at the time of salvation. So if someone genuinely believes on the Lord Jesus Christ for eternal life, if the are having trouble with sin..there is a high chance the Lordship person will attack, rather than comfort this person and question their salvation. It's 'back loading' works into salvation. Saying a saved person IS going to be faithful all their life. Like a saved person WILL act a certain way..do these things..etc.. when in actual fact..their faithfulness will wax and wain. They may not end up a good Christian. Doesn't mean 'never saved to begin with '. It's taking 'he who endureth to the end will be saved' right out of context.
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  7. Thank you for this. These are very helpful. I'm still not set on kjvo, but do understand the corruption in many modern bibles
  8. In some circles here they state they're so Independent (big 'I') that they don't associate, congregate, or affiliate with anyone. To them 'Baptist' is a description only, NEVER a denomination. Even some from the old BBF and split off organizations like the one that had the first Bible college that I went to made statements like that though they ALL associated to start and maintain the college and allow the students to have to pay only for housing, meals, books, etc, and have free college. It all flew in the face of their statements. But they couldn't or wouldn't admit that.
  9. You put things in quotes but did not name your sources.
  10. Of course. I've never heard anybody over my neck in the woods say that IFB is not a denomination, after all, the word Baptist is in it.
  11. There is such a thing as God giving people "over to a reprobate mind" when they reject God and His love until there is no more hope for them. God indeed loves sinners, but He is never going to force anyone to love Him back. When people rebel so much like many of these people have, trying to proselytize children, I believe they have hardened their own hearts until they have reached a level of wickedness to the point of no return. As to the gay agenda, I believe that "breaking our bands asunder" and "casting our cords away" is what the world in general is actively trying to do as we speak. You can see it plainly in the actions of the Democratic(communist) Party whose ruthlessness is suppressed less and less as time goes on.. They won't stop their agenda until every Christian is in prison or dead.
  12. The 1611 King James Bible Defended! https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/1611_authorized_king_james.htm Fighting Back! A Handy Reference for King James Bible Believers https://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/fight.html King James Bible Research Council https://kjbrc.org/ https://www.youtube.com/@kjbrc The King James Version Defended by Edward F. Hills https://archive.org/details/TheKingJamesVersionDefended/page/n1/mode/2up The King James Bible and other versions: why does it matter? https://av1611.com/kjbp/ 1611 Defence Podcast https://www.youtube.com/@1611Defence Another King James Bible Believer https://www.brandplucked.com/
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    Great Hymn Lyrics

    Alas! and Did My Savior Bleed? Isaac Watts and Hugh Wilson 1 Alas! and did my Savior bleed? And did my Sovereign die? Would He devote that sacred head For such a worm as I? 2 Was it for crimes that I have done He groaned upon the tree? Amazing pity! grace unknown! And love beyond degree! 3 Well might the sun in darkness hide, And shut His glories in, When Christ, the mighty Maker, died for man, the creature's sin. 4 But drops of grief can ne'er repay The debt of love I owe; Here, Lord, I give myself away 'Tis all that I can do.
  14. It's not a popular opinion here, but, I would have to say that the IFB is a denomination no matter how they would like to dispute this.
  15. Agree. The "non-denominational" I attended was basically Baptist in faith and practice. Maybe not IFB Baptist since there was CCM. The difference is they didn't have a Statement of Faith outside of "Jesus Saves". Some would think they weren't even a church since they weren't Baptists.
  16. Right. I have attended several non-denominational groups as a much younger believer in the early to mid 90’s - ones such as Bible Chapels and Christian Centres when I was living in Kelowna. When I moved to Saskatchewan for a couple of years, I checked out those groups there, and they had the same beliefs, practices, etc. That makes them a denomination, despite what they may claim.
  17. Agree or disagree with the following: "Nondenominational" refers to religious organizations or congregations that do not align themselves with any particular established denomination or sect within a religion. However, despite not affiliating with a specific denomination, nondenominational groups can still be considered a denomination themselves, albeit with some nuances. Here's why: Distinct Identity: Nondenominational churches or religious groups often have their own distinct identity, beliefs, practices, and organizational structures. While they may not adhere to the specific doctrines of a particular denomination, they still form a cohesive group with shared beliefs and practices. Organizational Structure: Although they may not have hierarchical structures like denominations, nondenominational groups often have their own leadership, clergy, and organizational frameworks. They may have local congregations, national headquarters, and sometimes even international networks. Theological Perspectives: While nondenominational groups may claim to be nonsectarian and open to a variety of theological perspectives, they typically have a set of core beliefs or doctrines that distinguish them from other groups. These beliefs may not align precisely with any one denomination but still serve to define the group's identity. Community and Fellowship: Like denominations, nondenominational groups provide a sense of community and fellowship for their members. They often gather for worship, religious education, social activities, and community service, creating a cohesive religious community. Recognition and Affiliation: While nondenominational groups may eschew formal denominational labels, they often seek recognition from legal and regulatory bodies, such as tax-exempt status from government authorities. They may also affiliate with broader networks of nondenominational churches or organizations for support and cooperation. In summary, while nondenominational groups may not fit neatly into traditional denominational categories, they still exhibit many characteristics of denominations, including distinct identity, organizational structure, theological perspectives, community, and recognition. Thus, they can be considered a denomination in their own right, albeit one that emphasizes independence and flexibility in religious practice and belief.
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  19. Baptists are familiar with this phrase. "Love the sinner, hate the sin". So, regarding human sexuality... it is a fact that God does not accept or condone, homosexuality. Also, there is a lot of discussion regarding....>"are they born this way". ??? Now, here is what to think about that.. Gays do not reproduce, they Recruit. Genesis 19 explains that God dealt with homosexuals in a way that offends how some interpret "God is Love". But you have to understand that God is also HOLY.. and so, God Holiness, is not defined as "Tolerance", and so, we have to view "alt sexuality" as perversion that we dont accept. Now in the USA and in Israel, Homosexuality is "legal". There are many countries in this world that will kill you LEGALLY. = for having a perverted sexuality such as child molesting, bestiality, homosexuality.... or similar. They dont view Gay Sex Acts or Child Rape, or any of this, as a "choice" or a "ethnic group" or a "civil right'. They view you as a perverted immoral deviant, and they will put you to death, Legally, and they dont ask you how you "" feel about it"" as they are about to cut off your head or burn you alive or flay your skin off. I wanted to share with you, "The Gay Agenda". Read it and notice that its in effect in the USA., and has been for quite a long time. The GAY Agenda 1.) "“The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights. To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference"""" 2. ) “The Overhauling of Straight America” as the “bible” of the homosexual agenda.'" 3. ) “almost any behavior begins to look normal if you are exposed to enough of it . . . The way to benumb raw sensitivities about homosexuality is to have a lot of people talk a great deal about the subject in a neutral or supportive way . . . Constant talk builds the impression that public opinion is at least divided on the subject, and that a sizable segment accepts or even practices homosexuality. “And when we say talk about homosexuality, we mean just that. In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed ."" 4.) '""When we are exposed to anything repeatedly, it becomes routine and normal. What initially might shock someone eventually can become acceptable. And acceptability is the ultimate goal. What at one time was highly offensive to the vast majority of Americans is now no big deal. They’ve been lulled into complacency.""" 5.) """Where we talk is important, The average American household watches over seven hours of TV daily. Those hours open up a gateway into the private world of straights, through which a Trojan horse might be passed . . . “So far, gay Hollywood has provided our best covert weapon in the battle to desensitize the mainstream. Bit by bit over the past ten years, gay characters and gay themes have been introduced into TV programs and films . . . On the whole the impact has been encouraging.” 6.)'"When conservative churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can do to confound the homophobia of true believers. First, we can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches,""" 7.) “In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be cast as victims in need of protection,” 8.) "If gays are presented, instead, as a strong and prideful tribe promoting a rigidly nonconformist and deviant lifestyle, they are more likely to be seen as a public menace that justifies resistance and oppression. For that reason, we must forego the temptation to strut our ‘gay pride’ publicly when it conflicts with the Gay Victim image,” “It almost goes without saying that groups on the farthest margin of acceptability such as NAMBLA [the North American Man-Boy Love Association, which as its name suggests promotes adult-child homosexual sex] must play no part at all in such a campaign: suspected child-molesters will never look like victims . . . 9.) “At a later stage of the media campaign for gay rights . . . it will be time to get tough with remaining opponents. To be blunt, they must be vilified . . . Our goal here is twofold. First, we seek to replace the mainstream’s homophobia with shame and guilt. Second, we intend to make the anti-gays look so nasty that average Americans will want to dissociate themselves from such types” 10.) "" You say we all lead lives you don’t respect. But you’re just frightened. You think that we’ll corrupt your kids if our agenda goes unchecked. Funny, just this once, you’re correct.” “We’ll convert your children – happens bit by bit, quietly and subtly and you will barely notice it…” “Just like you’re worried, they’ll change their group of friends, you won’t approve of where they go at night. And you’ll be disgusted when they start finding things online that you kept far from their sight…”
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    Great Hymn Lyrics

    Nothing But the Blood Robert Lowry 1 What can wash away my sin? Nothing but the blood of Jesus; What can make me whole again? Nothing but the blood of Jesus. CHORUS Oh! Precious is the flow That makes me white as snow; No other fount I know, Nothing but the blood of Jesus. 2 For my pardon this I see Nothing but the blood of Jesus; For my cleansing this my plea Nothing but the blood of Jesus. CHORUS 3 Nothing can for sin atone Nothing but the blood of Jesus; Naught of good that I have done Nothing but the blood of Jesus. CHORUS 4 This is all my hope and peace Nothing but the blood of Jesus; This is all my righteousness Nothing but the blood of Jesus. CHORUS
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    And Can It Be that I Should Gain? Charles Wesley and Thomas Campbell 1 And can it be that I should gain An interest in the Savior's blood? Died He for me, who caused His pain? For me, who Him to death pursued? CHORUS Amazing love! How can it be That Thou, my God, shouldest die for me? 2 He left His Father's throne above, So free, so infinite His grace! Emptied Himself of all but love, And bled for Adam's helpless race, CHORUS 3 No condemnation now I dread, I am my Lord's and He is mine; Alive in Him, my living Head, And clothed in righteousness divine, CHORUS
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    Great Hymn Lyrics

    Grace Greater Than Our Sin Julia H. Johnston and Daniel B. Towner 1 Marvelous grace of our loving Lord, Grace that exceeds our sin and our guilt, Yonder in Calvary's mount out poured, There where the blood of the Lamb was spilt. CHORUS Grace, grace, God's grace, Grace that will pardon and cleanse within; Grace, grace, God's grace, Grace that is greater than all our sin. 2 Sin and despair like the sea waves cold, Threaten the soul with infinite loss; Grace that is greater, yes, grace untold, Points to the Refuge, the Mighty Cross. CHORUS 3 Dark is the stain that we cannot hide, What can avail to wash it away? Look there is flowing a crimson tide; Whiter than snow you may be today. CHORUS 4 Marvelous, infinite, matchless grace, Freely bestowed on all who believe; You that are longing to see His face, Will you this moment His grace receive? Marvelous grace, Infinite grace, Grace that is greater than all our sin.
  23. Never said believing was not the essential thing - but disagreed with you creating your own definition of the word “be.” The word has the idea of doing something, being something (the context determineds what someone is to BE) - it does not mean believe in any sense of the word just because both words have the same first letters.
  24. The verse says to be (ye) reconciled to Christ". If there is any other way to do that then to BELIEVE, then God needs an update. Di you want to help Him understand how you think it should be? See, "FAITH is counted as righteousness"., BY GOD. Thats "Believing".. Or "The work of God is that you BELIEVE in/on Jesus whom Sent". You dont need a dictionary to explain this to you @Jerry... You just need some real faith in Christ.. Or as Jesus told you.. "ALL who/that BELIEVE in me, i give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish". God help you to BELIEVE it.
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    Great Hymn Lyrics

    How Firm a Foundation George Keith and melody from Caldwell's "Union Harmony" 1 How firm a foundation, ye saints of the Lord, Is laid for your faith in His excellent Word! What more can He say than to you He hath said, To you, who for refuge to Jesus hath fled? 2 "Fear not, I am with thee, O be not dismayed, For I am thy God, I will still give thee aid, I'll strengthen thee, help thee, and cause thee to stand, Upheld by My gracious, omnipotent hand. 3 "When thro' the deep waters I cause thee to go, The rivers of sorrow shall not overflow, For I will be with thee thy trials to bless, And sanctify to thee thy deepest distress. 4 "When thro' fiery trials thy pathway shall lie, My grace, all sufficient, shall be thy supply; The flames shall not hurt thee, I only design Thy dross to consume and thy gold to refine."
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    Great Hymn Lyrics

    There Is a Fountain Filled with Blood William Cowper 1 There is a fountain filled with blood Drawn from Immanuel's veins; And sinners, plunged beneath that flood, Lose all their guilty stains, Lose all their guilty stains, Lose all their guilty stains; And sinners, plunged beneath that flood, Lose all their guilty stains. 2 The dying thief rejoiced to see That fountain in his day; And there may I, though vile as he, Wash all my sins away, Wash all my sins away, Wash all my sins away, And there may I, though vile as he, Wash all my sins away. 3 Thou dying Lamb, Thy precious blood Shall never lose its pow'r, Till all the ransomed church of God Are saved, to sin no more, Are saved, to sin no more, Are saved, to sin no more; Till all the ransomed church of God, Are saved, to sin no more. 4 For since by faith I saw the stream Thy flowing wounds supply, Redeeming love has been my theme, And shall be till I die, And shall be till I die, And shall be till I die: Redeeming love has been my theme, And shall be till I die.
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    Memories

    George, Ted, and Harry grew up in the same block and were about the same age. They played together and became friends. The went to the same grade school, were in the same classes all the way though, and became closer friends. In high school they played on the school's sports teams and there became best friends. In their junior and senior years they started dating. They would go on triple dates and the girls they were dating also became very good friends. After high school George, Ted, and Harry married and were best men at each other's weddings. With the pressure of developing careers and starting families they did not see as much of each other. So they decided to meet along with their wives and have dinner at a restaurant once a month, where they could reminisce about growing up together and keep abreast of their current lives. At one particular restaurant they were seated at a table and Harry said, "My wife and I went to a great restaurant last week. When we walked in we felt relaxed immediately. The tables were spaced so that there was privacy. When you looked out the picture windows, you could see a lake with forested hills behind it. The food was excellent, the portions were generous, and the prices were good. The service was top notch and the staff was very courteous." George interrupted and said, "OK, Harry. You got us. What's the name of the restaurant?" Harry replied, "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, uhhhhhhhhhhhh, uhhhhhhhhhhhh. What's the name of that flower which has prickly stems and smells so good?" Ted hazarded a guess, "Rose?" Harry excitedly responded, "Yeah! Yeah! That's it! Rose!" Harry turned to his wife and asked her, Rose, what's the name of that restaurant we went to last week?"
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    Great Hymn Lyrics

    A Mighty Fortress Is Our God Martin Luther 1 A mighty fortress is our God, A bulwark never failing; Our helper He, amid the flood Of mortal ills prevailing. For still our ancient foe Doth seek to work us woe; His craft and power are great, And, armed with cruel hate, On earth is not his equal. 2 Did we in our own strength confide, Our striving would be losing, Were not the right Man on our side, The Man of God's own choosing. Dost ask who that may be? Christ Jesus, it is He; Lord Sabaoth His name, From age to age the same, And He must win the battle. 3 And though this world, with devils filled, Should threaten to undo us, We will not fear, for God hath willed His truth to triumph through us. The prince of darkness grim We tremble not for him; His rage we can endure, For lo! his doom is sure, One little word shall fell him. 4 That word above all earthly powers No thanks to them abideth; The Spirit and the gifts are ours Through Him who with us sideth. Let goods and kindred go, This mortal life also; The body they may kill: God's truth abideth still, His kingdom is forever.
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