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The Psalmist once said, "If I regard iniquity in mine heart, the LORD will not hear me."

I believe that those who "love their lifestyle" too much to be willing to trun from it, have no chance of Salvation until they come to the place that they understand that they are totally lost in that lifestyle. God resists the proud, but gives more grace to the humble.

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On August 19, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Jordan Kurecki said:

I have a question.

My Mother is not saved, my Pastor visited her years ago to talk to her about being saved. She said she does not want to be saved. My Pastor asked her why? She said "I like my lifestyle too much to get saved". My question is this. In my mother's situation, does my Mother have to repent of her sin to be saved? 

No. Turning from her sin can never save, only by trusting the Gospel (sinless life, death, burial & bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ) can she be saved.  And everyone gets saved the same way. 

"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."...John 1:17

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Our Lord never said (to us) to repent of our sins. The Book of Revelation is the only book in the NT that mentions repentance of sins (specific deeds or actions) and is directed to the harlot and those who remain during the tribulation.

In the case of Jordan's mother as with many people who are given the Scriptural Gospel, she understands from the Spirit of God that she will have a transformed life if she truly believes (no doubt Jordan's testimony has assisted with that). Much better to give the whole truth over time with tears instead of the cost counting, fake 123 gospel which saves no one.

Tares (religious lost who are repeatedly assured of their salvation by false teachers) outnumber wheat 3:1 in most fundamental churches because of this cheapening. These same churches report thousands saved with 10 baptized because of this perversion.

"But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and do works meet for repentance. Acts 26:20"

"For Godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation, not to be repented of."

The Bible teaches secret fasting and prayer in cases like this which carry deep, personal burden. Paul was distraught over his own people and their lost state and lead many to salvation by intercessory prayer and fasting. Time and again as people were saved in the NT, they went to warn their own houses first. Jesus taught importunity if you want God's ear in hard matters such as this. (Luke 11). Won't be easy and will actually be the most difficult thing you will ever do. Not by words of fleshly wisdom but by His Spirit. How do we get the Spirit involved? By obeying Luke 11. Results will be based on the amount of sincere effort that is put into it (God's promise). 

Best to push yourself now than to suffer the tears of regret during the millennium.

 

 

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Salvation happens in an instant. When one BELIEVES on the work that JESUS did to save us. 

Now, unless a person can look in the mirror and see that they are a sinner, and as a result, deserving of Hell, they will NEVER come to believe on Christ & receive salvation because they will not understand what they need Saving from. That is an issue of pride. When one thinks that their own good deeds, and turning from/no longer committing sin (whether it be lying, stealing, fornication, covetousness, etc..) is required for salvation, that is a works-based false Gospel.

A person can turn from many sins but NOBODY can turn from EVERY sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves. Who among us can say , that, because they are saved , they no longer commit ANY sin?

Even AFTER salvation, you will sin. Being saved does NOT mean you will never sin again. It just means that you are trusting that Jesus Christ ALREADY paid the penalty to God for your sins (past present AND future) through HIS WORK on the cross & instead of receiving the punishment we deserve(Hell), we believe the Gospel & receive salvation(Heaven) as a free gift by the grace of God, who is merciful.

Am I promoting sin? Absolutely not; I hate sin.

Do I work as hard as possible to do good deeds & repent anyway? Of course. Even though I am indwelled w/the Holy Spirit I am still in this human body of flesh, and while my spirit is willing, my flesh is weak.

i still do try to get sin out of my life, not so that I can get saved, but because I AM saved. God will never take away my salvation, but He WILL chasten me as His child when I sin. And I won't suffer the consequences in the next life, but I will suffer those consequences in THIS life.

 

 

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On 6/25/2017 at 9:51 AM, BabeinChrist said:

Actually, the Jews DID kill Christ. But that's another subject.

 

Actually the Romans killed Christ.  The Jewish leaders handed Christ over to the Romans to be crucified.  Crucifixion was the means of capital punishment which the Romans employed.  Christ died for the entire world. (John 3:16).  Our sin put Christ on the cross.  Blaming the Jews for killing Christ is pretty much a Roman Catholic statement.  I am an ethnic Jew and a born again Christian and I remember when our family was called "Christ Killers" (and other derogatory statements that Jews were called) until I graduated High School in 1961.

Yes, you are correct about this being another subject.

Back to the topic of Repentance.  Repentance defined by David Cloud and John R. Rice. (Way of Life Encyclopedia: Repentance)

Bible repentance means a turning to God and a change of mind toward God that results in a change of life (Mt 3:1-2; Lu 5:32; 13:1-3; 18:13; Ac 2:38; 5:31; 17:30; 20:21; 26:20; 2Pe 3:9). (David Cloud)

"To repent literally means to have a change of mind or spirit toward God and toward sin. It means to turn from your sins, earnestly, with all your heart, and trust in Jesus Christ to save you. You can see, then, how the man who believes in Christ repents and the man who repents believes in Christ. The jailer repented when he turned from sin to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ" (John R. Rice, What Must I Do to Be Saved?).

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, LindaR said:

Actually the Romans killed Christ.  The Jewish leaders handed Christ over to the Romans to be crucified.  Crucifixion was the means of capital punishment which the Romans employed.  Christ died for the entire world. (John 3:16).  Our sin put Christ on the cross.  Blaming the Jews for killing Christ is pretty much a Roman Catholic statement.  I am an ethnic Jew and a born again Christian and I remember when our family was called "Christ Killers" (and other derogatory statements that Jews were called) until I graduated High School in 1961.

Yes, you are correct about this being another subject.

Back to the topic of Repentance.  Repentance defined by David Cloud and John R. Rice. (Way of Life Encyclopedia: Repentance)

Bible repentance means a turning to God and a change of mind toward God that results in a change of life (Mt 3:1-2; Lu 5:32; 13:1-3; 18:13; Ac 2:38; 5:31; 17:30; 20:21; 26:20; 2Pe 3:9). (David Cloud)

"To repent literally means to have a change of mind or spirit toward God and toward sin. It means to turn from your sins, earnestly, with all your heart, and trust in Jesus Christ to save you. You can see, then, how the man who believes in Christ repents and the man who repents believes in Christ. The jailer repented when he turned from sin to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ" (John R. Rice, What Must I Do to Be Saved?).

 

 

 

Nobody killed Christ.

 John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

 

 

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On ‎6‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 8:51 AM, BabeinChrist said:

a Actually, the Jews DID kill Christ. But that's another subject.

 

13 hours ago, LindaR said:

Actually the Romans killed Christ.  

 

13 hours ago, heartstrings said:

Nobody killed Christ.

 John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

 

 

If we want to be technical: Jesus chose to come to die. He placed Himself in a position for the Jews to arrest Him and demand His death of the Romans. He did not attempt (physically nor verbally) to prevent the Romans from nailing Him to the cross. He only did this to provide "...himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

 

So: nobody took His life, He gave it of Himself at the hands of His creation. Romans: GUILTY. Jews: GUILTY. The rest of us: GUITY.

Jesus: GUILTY -- not of sin but of caring so much for the whole sorry lot. In exchange we give a pretty lousy excuse  for gratitude which is why we don't strive any harder against sin than we do.

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21 hours ago, LindaR said:

Actually the Romans killed Christ.  The Jewish leaders handed Christ over to the Romans to be crucified.  Crucifixion was the means of capital punishment which the Romans employed.  Christ died for the entire world. (John 3:16).  Our sin put Christ on the cross.  Blaming the Jews for killing Christ is pretty much a Roman Catholic statement.  I am an ethnic Jew and a born again Christian and I remember when our family was called "Christ Killers" (and other derogatory statements that Jews were called) until I graduated High School in 1961.

Yes, you are correct about this being another subject.

Back to the topic of Repentance.  Repentance defined by David Cloud and John R. Rice. (Way of Life Encyclopedia: Repentance)

Bible repentance means a turning to God and a change of mind toward God that results in a change of life (Mt 3:1-2; Lu 5:32; 13:1-3; 18:13; Ac 2:38; 5:31; 17:30; 20:21; 26:20; 2Pe 3:9). (David Cloud)

"To repent literally means to have a change of mind or spirit toward God and toward sin. It means to turn from your sins, earnestly, with all your heart, and trust in Jesus Christ to save you. You can see, then, how the man who believes in Christ repents and the man who repents believes in Christ. The jailer repented when he turned from sin to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ" (John R. Rice, What Must I Do to Be Saved?).

 

 

 

How is that a Roman Catholic statement?

Because I am NOT a Roman Catholic, but I do believe the KJV to be the Word of God. And of course Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, but the Jews hated Christ & one cannot read the Bible without noticing that.

Pontius Pilate even washed his hands and declared that he is innocent of the blood of this just man.

To which the Jews shouted, "His blood be upon us and our children".  So yes, they hated Christ.

i believe the Bible, not Zionist ideology.

what do you mean you are an "ethnic Jew"? They were scattered and I would think that everyone has a bit of "Jew" in them. 

 

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John 10:17-18 -- "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.  No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.  I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.  This commandment have I received of my Father."

Acts 2:22-24 -- "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it."

Acts 4:26-28 -- "The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.  For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, for to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done."

 

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7 minutes ago, BabeinChrist said:

How is that a Roman Catholic statement?

Because I am NOT a Roman Catholic, but I do believe the KJV to be the Word of God. And of course Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, but the Jews hated Christ & one cannot read the Bible without noticing that.

Pontius Pilate even washed his hands and declared that he is innocent of the blood of this just man.

To which the Jews shouted, "His blood be upon us and our children".  So yes, they hated Christ.

i believe the Bible, not Zionist ideology.

what do you mean you are an "ethnic Jew"? They were scattered and I would think that everyone has a bit of "Jew" in them. 

 

Multitudes of individual Jews believed on our Lord during His Ministry and multitudes since. Our Lord and His Apostles were Jews.

It was the governing Jews (national Israel) that denied our Lord, not all of the masses. We are to love, pray for and witness to individual Jews all the time.

I realize through your testimony and avatar that you are a new believer so I am posting this to save you much disappointment years from now. Make sure you search the Scriptures daily to double-check your pastor's preaching (or whomever it is that influences you). The statements you made which I bolded, did not come from the Bible contextually. I won't take the time to give you hundreds of passages clearly supporting this post but I am sure a young believer like you can look them up yourself (just word search in any NT software the word Jew).

God said through Paul "to the Jews first" so if God says it we better be saying it. God never retracted or changed this precept.

My point is this friend, don't take anyone's word for God's Word...ever. Get with God's Word and His Spirit to check everything you see and hear and always realize that only God's Word is true, not necessarily your pastor regardless of how inspiring or bold he is. This is not a slight directed toward your pastor or influencer. What I mean is don't follow their words blindly assuming they are right simply because they claim some "calling" from God. Acts 17:11

One of the fastest methods to id wolves in sheep's clothing (even among IFB ranks) is how they use Scripture in topical sermons. If you catch them plucking passages out of their context to support a topic, when clearly that passage was not discussing said topic then be double-weary of everything they say from that point on. It matters not how noble or "righteous" their topic was. Remember:

Check

Double-Check

then Re-Check

 

 

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On 8/24/2017 at 9:20 AM, BabeinChrist said:

How is that a Roman Catholic statement?

Because I am NOT a Roman Catholic, but I do believe the KJV to be the Word of God. And of course Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, but the Jews hated Christ & one cannot read the Bible without noticing that.

Pontius Pilate even washed his hands and declared that he is innocent of the blood of this just man.

To which the Jews shouted, "His blood be upon us and our children".  So yes, they hated Christ.

i believe the Bible, not Zionist ideology.

what do you mean you are an "ethnic Jew"? They were scattered and I would think that everyone has a bit of "Jew" in them. 

 

For hundreds of years, the Roman Catholic Church blamed the Jews for "killing" Christ and have called Jews "Christ killers"....I know this from personal experience.  An ethnic Jew is a physical descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.  My ethnicity is Jewish. My grandparents were Ashkenazi Orthodox Jews from Eastern Europe (Lithuania and Russia) and immigrated to the United States at the end of the 19th century.   Yes, the Jewish people were scattered throughout the world in 70AD, but they are returning to Israel (in unbelief)---fulfilling the Biblical prophecy of Ezekiel 37 (dry bones prophecy).  

The answer is no....everyone does not have a bit of "Jew" (whatever you mean by that) in them.  There are 3 classes of peoples (1 race) living on this earth, the Jew, the Gentile, and the Church of God, which is composed of saved Jews and Gentiles (1 Corinthians 10:32).

Zionist ideology?????  I am also a Christian Zionist.  Zionism is simply the belief that the Jewish people have a right to a homeland in the biblically promised land of Israel. It is no more, and no less.  Bible believing Christians, who are dispensational in their understanding of Scriptures, have always believed in God’s promise of the restoration of the Jewish people back to the land of Israel.

Irregardless of the fact that Pontius Pilate "washed his hands", it was the Romans who physically nailed Christ to the Cross. Did you ever stop and think that using such a statement like "the Jews killed Christ" or Jews are "Christ killers" just might prevent a lost Jewish soul from listening to the Gospel?  Since you are very much into soul winning, which is great....this might be something for soul winners to think about.  BTW, the world (mankind) hates Christ...not just the Jews.

Back to the topic of this thread....repentance.

Edited by LindaR

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Whilst this whole thing is way off topic:

Acts 3:12-15
(12)  And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Acts 3:12-15
(12)  And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
(13)  The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
(14)  But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
(15)  And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
(13)  The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
(14)  But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
(15)  And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Who exactly is Peter talking to? "Ye men of Israel".

There can be no dispute that the Romans were the ones who hammered in the nails.

There can be no dispute that the BLAME of him being nailed to the cross is ALSO in this passage laid upon the "men of Israel".

There also can be no dispute that it only happened because JEsus willingly allowed it to happen:

John 10:17-18
(17)  Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
(18)  No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
 

How about we stop this stupid disputing over who is to blame?

I don't immediately know of a verse that lays the blame specifically at the feet of "gentiles" as a group, but it was because of sin, by charges of the Jews, by the hand and under the authority of the Romans, and because Jesus submitted to it  SO THAT ALL MEN MIGHT BE SAVED if they believe on Jesus Christ (and no this is not a fully theologically correct statement, but YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN).

Unless you have a verse that says that one or more of these groups is blameless of the death of Christ, how about we stop the pointless bickering?

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15 hours ago, LindaR said:

For hundreds of years, the Roman Catholic Church blamed the Jews for "killing" Christ and have called Jews "Christ killers"....I know this from personal experience.  An ethnic Jew is a physical descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.  My ethnicity is Jewish. My grandparents were Ashkenazi Orthodox Jews from Eastern Europe (Lithuania and Russia) and immigrated to the United States at the end of the 19th century.   Yes, the Jewish people were scattered throughout the world in 70AD, but they are returning to Israel (in unbelief)---fulfilling the Biblical prophecy of Ezekiel 37 (dry bones prophecy).  

The answer is no....everyone does not have a bit of "Jew" (whatever you mean by that) in them.  There are 3 classes of peoples (1 race) living on this earth, the Jew, the Gentile, and the Church of God, which is composed of saved Jews and Gentiles (1 Corinthians 10:32).

Zionist ideology?????  I am also a Christian Zionist.  Zionism is simply the belief that the Jewish people have a right to a homeland in the biblically promised land of Israel. It is no more, and no less.  Bible believing Christians, who are dispensational in their understanding of Scriptures, have always believed in God’s promise of the restoration of the Jewish people back to the land of Israel.

Irregardless of the fact that Pontius Pilate "washed his hands", it was the Romans who physically nailed Christ to the Cross. Did you ever stop and think that using such a statement like "the Jews killed Christ" or Jews are "Christ killers" just might prevent a lost Jewish soul from listening to the Gospel?  Since you are very much into soul winning, which is great....this might be something for soul winners to think about.  BTW, the world (mankind) hates Christ...not just the Jews.

Back to the topic of this thread....repentance.

I don't believe in dispensationalism, nor do I deny any self-proclaimed "Jew" the Gospel out soul-winning. I give them the Gospel just the same as anyone else. They are sinners in need of a Saviour just like me or anyone else ....the thing I keep running into with Jews is they do not believe Jesus is Christ. They are waiting for their own "Christ" who will be the prophesied Anti-Christ.

The Talmud blasphemes Jesus in the worst way, and Judaism is based on the Talmud & Mishnah, btw, NOT the Torah. That is why the misnomer "Judeo-Christian" is an oxymoron, because Christianity is NOT affiliated with Judaism any more than it is (not) affiliated with the wicked religion of Islam. 

And I am aware of what Zionism is, and the promises God made to the Israelites were conditional upon their obedience, and they ALWAYS turned to false gods & worshiping Baal. THEY didn't fulfill their end so they defaulted. That is why Jesus came, to save the world from their sins, & yet, they rejected Him then, the same as many Jews reject Him today. Which is why He said He came unto His own & His own received Him not.

And the Jews moving to Israel (which was created by the UN in 1948) are not obeying God, either. They are merely committing genocide against the Palestinians & taking the land by force, paid for by our American tax dollars. We give "Israel" $8 MILLION PER DAY, which is roughly $3 BILLION annually...for what? So the military-industrial complex can bomb, maime, murder & terrify Palestinians....a portion of whom are Christians.

Ever BEEN to "Israel"? I have, and I can testify that the people there calling themselves Jews are the Synagogue of Satan, as spoken of by Jesus in Revelation 3:10.  They are STILL hateful of Christ,  & when I went last summer on a mission trip  to spread the Gospel with a group of brethren, we were shocked and horrified to see that Tel Aviv was exactly how Sodom was described in the days of Lot.....if you think San Fagcisco is bad, well Tel Aviv makes that wicked city look like a tea party.  EVERY foul, sexually perverse thing one can imagine(& more that one could never imagine)  goes on unashamedly & proudly, out in the open in Israel.

And the moment anyone found out We were not Jewish, they treated my brethren & I WORSE than animals. I was called a "filthy goy", was spat on, kicked, had my shirt torn off, was almost raped, and had my King James Bible snatched from my hands as I witnessed an Orthodox "rabbi" tear out pages from it and mimicked wiping his backside with it.

So, yes, for the Zionists out there that support the man-made Israhell & thinks they are poor, victimized sufferers at the mercy of the Palestinians, I say turn off your teLIEvision & go see for yourself, because it is the EXACT OPPOSITE.

Finally, Linda,  I find it interesting that you refer to Jews as a "class" of people, and Gentiles & believers as a different class. Class indicates hierarchy, and supremacy, & we are not to think we are better than anyone else. The Bible says that a "Jew" is one INWARDLY....NOT outwardly.

And just to clarify, I am not mad at you because you claim you are a Jew. I praise God that you believe & are saved & I hope those in Israel will believe on Christ because I don't wish any of them to suffer in Hell.

Have a blessed day.

 

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On ‎8‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 7:00 PM, LindaR said:

Irregardless of the fact that Pontius Pilate "washed his hands", it was the Romans who physically nailed Christ to the Cross. Did you ever stop and think that using such a statement like "the Jews killed Christ" or Jews are "Christ killers" just might prevent a lost Jewish soul from listening to the Gospel?  Since you are very much into soul winning, which is great....this might be something for soul winners to think about.  BTW, the world (mankind) hates Christ...not just the Jews.

Earlier I quoted Acts 2:22-24 . . .

On ‎8‎/‎24‎/‎2017 at 11:12 AM, Pastor Scott Markle said:

Acts 2:22-24 -- "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it."

I really do not care that much about the dispute over "who really killed the Lord Jesus Christ."  However, I do care about claims that contradict the Scriptures of God.

In Acts 2:22-24 the apostle Peter himself, on the Day of Pentecost, under the filling influence of the Holy Spirit, accused the "men of Israel" of having "crucified and slain" the Lord Jesus Christ "by wicked hands."  He certainly DID blame the Jews of that sin.  Furthermore, he applied that accusation unto Jews who had gathered from a multitude of nations around Israel, Jews who very possibly had not even been present at the time of the crucifixion, and who very likely were not directly involved in the decision.  Finally, the apostle Peter made this declaration while out "soul winning" in relation to those very Jews.

On the other hand, I fully agree that the whole world stands in hateful opposition unto our Lord Jesus Christ (as the apostle Peter implied in Acts 4:26-28, which I also quoted above).

Edited by Pastor Scott Markle

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31 minutes ago, BabeinChrist said:

I don't believe in dispensationalism, nor do I deny any self-proclaimed "Jew" the Gospel out soul-winning. I give them the Gospel just the same as anyone else. They are sinners in need of a Saviour just like me or anyone else ....the thing I keep running into with Jews is they do not believe Jesus is Christ. They are waiting for their own "Christ" who will be the prophesied Anti-Christ.

The Talmud blasphemes Jesus in the worst way, and Judaism is based on the Talmud & Mishnah, btw, NOT the Torah. That is why the misnomer "Judeo-Christian" is an oxymoron, because Christianity is NOT affiliated with Judaism any more than it is (not) affiliated with the wicked religion of Islam. 

And I am aware of what Zionism is, and the promises God made to the Israelites were conditional upon their obedience, and they ALWAYS turned to false gods & worshiping Baal. THEY didn't fulfill their end so they defaulted. That is why Jesus came, to save the world from their sins, & yet, they rejected Him then, the same as many Jews reject Him today. Which is why He said He came unto His own & His own received Him not.

And the Jews moving to Israel (which was created by the UN in 1948) are not obeying God, either. They are merely committing genocide against the Palestinians & taking the land by force, paid for by our American tax dollars. We give "Israel" $8 MILLION PER DAY, which is roughly $3 BILLION annually...for what? So the military-industrial complex can bomb, maime, murder & terrify Palestinians....a portion of whom are Christians.

Ever BEEN to "Israel"? I have, and I can testify that the people there calling themselves Jews are the Synagogue of Satan, as spoken of by Jesus in Revelation 3:10.  They are STILL hateful of Christ,  & when I went last summer on a mission trip  to spread the Gospel with a group of brethren, we were shocked and horrified to see that Tel Aviv was exactly how Sodom was described in the days of Lot.....if you think San Fagcisco is bad, well Tel Aviv makes that wicked city look like a tea party.  EVERY foul, sexually perverse thing one can imagine(& more that one could never imagine)  goes on unashamedly & proudly, out in the open in Israel.

And the moment anyone found out We were not Jewish, they treated my brethren & I WORSE than animals. I was called a "filthy goy", was spat on, kicked, had my shirt torn off, was almost raped, and had my King James Bible snatched from my hands as I witnessed an Orthodox "rabbi" tear out pages from it and mimicked wiping his backside with it.

So, yes, for the Zionists out there that support the man-made Israhell & thinks they are poor, victimized sufferers at the mercy of the Palestinians, I say turn off your teLIEvision & go see for yourself, because it is the EXACT OPPOSITE.

Finally, Linda,  I find it interesting that you refer to Jews as a "class" of people, and Gentiles & believers as a different class. Class indicates hierarchy, and supremacy, & we are not to think we are better than anyone else. The Bible says that a "Jew" is one INWARDLY....NOT outwardly.

And just to clarify, I am not mad at you because you claim you are a Jew. I praise God that you believe & are saved & I hope those in Israel will believe on Christ because I don't wish any of them to suffer in Hell.

Have a blessed day.

 

OK babe, a little history here.

For hundreds of years, Turkey had ruled the middle east. 

H Grattan Guinness who was an astronomer and writer on prophecy wrote in about 1890 that the year 1917 would be a year in which would herald some reduction in Turkish power over Palestine.  He based that on the year 1917 being year 1335 in the Muslim calendar. There is a Turkish coin showing the year 1917 on one side and 1335 on the other. Light for the last Days.  This is also described in Michelle Guinness' book The Guinness Legend This is a history of the Guinness family. Mrs Guinness is a Jew and also wrote A child of the Covenant. Mrs Guinness says that H Grattan Guinness also based it on the 1260 days prophecy and that he had the date 1948 pencilled in his bible.  Grattan Guinness died in 1910.

In 1917 Allenby was made commander of the British forces in the middle east.  He was told by another General that he had no fear referring to H Grattan Guinness' book and that he would be in Jerusalem before the end of the year.  He was told "But Allenby, don't forget your big guns."  As he was leaving, he was told "But Allenby, when you get to Jerusalem, don't ride in state, that honour is reserved for one greater than you" In December 1917 Allenby and his troops arrived at the gates of Jerusalem and dismounted and led his horse into the city.

From that time the British were in control of the city, till after WW2.  Then the Jews were campaigning for independence. As a child I remember Jewish terrorism threats in London.  I can't remember any actual incidents but I can remember my dad taking me to see relatives in London.  We went on the underground railway, The Tube, and the train we were on did not stop at certain stops because of Jewish Terrorism threats.  

The Jewish Stern Gang carried out many atrocities including the bombing of the King David Hotel and he murder of the British governor of Egypt, himself a member of the Guinness family.

Soon after that the Arabs and Jews fought over the Holy Land.  The Arab High Command commanded all Arabs to leave the city to give their forces a free line of fire, promising that they would return in 6 months    Most of the Arabs left and they were forced to stay in the refugee camps to encourage hatred of the Jews.  More Jews were forced to leave Arab countries  but they were assimilated,.

The Jewish Stern Gang and the fighting forced the British to leave and the Jews proclaimed the State Of Israel.  The UN recognising the status quo recognised Israel and Jordan's rule over he remainder of he land.

After the 6 day war, Jordan abandoned its claim to the territories, so Israel as the possessors became the legal owners.

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5 hours ago, BabeinChrist said:

I don't believe in dispensationalism, nor do I deny any self-proclaimed "Jew" the Gospel out soul-winning. I give them the Gospel just the same as anyone else. They are sinners in need of a Saviour just like me or anyone else ....the thing I keep running into with Jews is they do not believe Jesus is Christ. They are waiting for their own "Christ" who will be the prophesied Anti-Christ.

The Talmud blasphemes Jesus in the worst way, and Judaism is based on the Talmud & Mishnah, btw, NOT the Torah. That is why the misnomer "Judeo-Christian" is an oxymoron, because Christianity is NOT affiliated with Judaism any more than it is (not) affiliated with the wicked religion of Islam. 

And I am aware of what Zionism is, and the promises God made to the Israelites were conditional upon their obedience, and they ALWAYS turned to false gods & worshiping Baal. THEY didn't fulfill their end so they defaulted. That is why Jesus came, to save the world from their sins, & yet, they rejected Him then, the same as many Jews reject Him today. Which is why He said He came unto His own & His own received Him not.

And the Jews moving to Israel (which was created by the UN in 1948) are not obeying God, either. They are merely committing genocide against the Palestinians & taking the land by force, paid for by our American tax dollars. We give "Israel" $8 MILLION PER DAY, which is roughly $3 BILLION annually...for what? So the military-industrial complex can bomb, maime, murder & terrify Palestinians....a portion of whom are Christians.

Ever BEEN to "Israel"? I have, and I can testify that the people there calling themselves Jews are the Synagogue of Satan, as spoken of by Jesus in Revelation 3:10.  They are STILL hateful of Christ,  & when I went last summer on a mission trip  to spread the Gospel with a group of brethren, we were shocked and horrified to see that Tel Aviv was exactly how Sodom was described in the days of Lot.....if you think San Fagcisco is bad, well Tel Aviv makes that wicked city look like a tea party.  EVERY foul, sexually perverse thing one can imagine(& more that one could never imagine)  goes on unashamedly & proudly, out in the open in Israel.

And the moment anyone found out We were not Jewish, they treated my brethren & I WORSE than animals. I was called a "filthy goy", was spat on, kicked, had my shirt torn off, was almost raped, and had my King James Bible snatched from my hands as I witnessed an Orthodox "rabbi" tear out pages from it and mimicked wiping his backside with it.

So, yes, for the Zionists out there that support the man-made Israhell & thinks they are poor, victimized sufferers at the mercy of the Palestinians, I say turn off your teLIEvision & go see for yourself, because it is the EXACT OPPOSITE.

Finally, Linda,  I find it interesting that you refer to Jews as a "class" of people, and Gentiles & believers as a different class. Class indicates hierarchy, and supremacy, & we are not to think we are better than anyone else. The Bible says that a "Jew" is one INWARDLY....NOT outwardly.

And just to clarify, I am not mad at you because you claim you are a Jew. I praise God that you believe & are saved & I hope those in Israel will believe on Christ because I don't wish any of them to suffer in Hell.

Have a blessed day.

 

So we have learned that people in Israel are sinners and reject Christ.

Now go to Iran, China, or maybe North Korea on an open missions trip and see how they react to you and your presenting the gospel.

Didn't Christ say they hated him and they would hate us too? 

Folks here know that I don't claim to be a "dispensationalist" per se, but neither do I deny God's promises to Israel. It doesn't matter if every male Israeli citizen is a homosexual, wears bloomers with a bow in his hair, and openly practices sodomy with a wink and a grin while putting on lipstick...God is greater and will perform his word.

Your post saddened me beyond comprehension.

 

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6 hours ago, BabeinChrist said:

I don't believe in dispensationalism, nor do I deny any self-proclaimed "Jew" the Gospel out soul-winning. I give them the Gospel just the same as anyone else. They are sinners in need of a Saviour just like me or anyone else ....the thing I keep running into with Jews is they do not believe Jesus is Christ. They are waiting for their own "Christ" who will be the prophesied Anti-Christ.

The Talmud blasphemes Jesus in the worst way, and Judaism is based on the Talmud & Mishnah, btw, NOT the Torah. That is why the misnomer "Judeo-Christian" is an oxymoron, because Christianity is NOT affiliated with Judaism any more than it is (not) affiliated with the wicked religion of Islam. 

And I am aware of what Zionism is, and the promises God made to the Israelites were conditional upon their obedience, and they ALWAYS turned to false gods & worshiping Baal. THEY didn't fulfill their end so they defaulted. That is why Jesus came, to save the world from their sins, & yet, they rejected Him then, the same as many Jews reject Him today. Which is why He said He came unto His own & His own received Him not.

And the Jews moving to Israel (which was created by the UN in 1948) are not obeying God, either. They are merely committing genocide against the Palestinians & taking the land by force, paid for by our American tax dollars. We give "Israel" $8 MILLION PER DAY, which is roughly $3 BILLION annually...for what? So the military-industrial complex can bomb, maime, murder & terrify Palestinians....a portion of whom are Christians.

Ever BEEN to "Israel"? I have, and I can testify that the people there calling themselves Jews are the Synagogue of Satan, as spoken of by Jesus in Revelation 3:10.  They are STILL hateful of Christ,  & when I went last summer on a mission trip  to spread the Gospel with a group of brethren, we were shocked and horrified to see that Tel Aviv was exactly how Sodom was described in the days of Lot.....if you think San Fagcisco is bad, well Tel Aviv makes that wicked city look like a tea party.  EVERY foul, sexually perverse thing one can imagine(& more that one could never imagine)  goes on unashamedly & proudly, out in the open in Israel.

And the moment anyone found out We were not Jewish, they treated my brethren & I WORSE than animals. I was called a "filthy goy", was spat on, kicked, had my shirt torn off, was almost raped, and had my King James Bible snatched from my hands as I witnessed an Orthodox "rabbi" tear out pages from it and mimicked wiping his backside with it.

So, yes, for the Zionists out there that support the man-made Israhell & thinks they are poor, victimized sufferers at the mercy of the Palestinians, I say turn off your teLIEvision & go see for yourself, because it is the EXACT OPPOSITE.

Finally, Linda,  I find it interesting that you refer to Jews as a "class" of people, and Gentiles & believers as a different class. Class indicates hierarchy, and supremacy, & we are not to think we are better than anyone else. The Bible says that a "Jew" is one INWARDLY....NOT outwardly.

And just to clarify, I am not mad at you because you claim you are a Jew. I praise God that you believe & are saved & I hope those in Israel will believe on Christ because I don't wish any of them to suffer in Hell.

Have a blessed day.

 

God made certain UNCONDITIONAL promises to Israel.

He will keep them regardless of the actions of Israel.The Jews today still know which tribe they are from. This idea that they are not really jews is largely rubbish.

My Sister went Israel and was not treated in the way you report. They had their Bibles out constantly and not one of them was treated as you report.

They guy who took them takes people every year and has NEVER BEEN TREATED the way you report by the Jews.

They are extremely careful in Jordan however, and are not allowed to take out their Bibles.

And there is no genocide going on in Israel. Do you know that they text the Palestinians before they fire on MILITARY targets?

They drop flyers before they fire on MILITARY targets. What does Hamas do in response? They gather as many civillians to their rockets sites as they can.

And then after an attack, they get civillians to lay around as though dead and take photos.

Not that civillians are not killed accidentally, but they add numbers to make it appear worse.

And Israel retaliates for suicide attacks on pre-schools, day care centres, cafe's, and other civilian targets.

Or they attack rockets sites (after giving notice) from where rockets are fired towards areas that have no military installations, only civilian structures.

There is SO MUCH WRONG with your post that it saddens me also.

You obviously simply accept what the media feeds you.

I know a missionary to Israel who has never been treated the way you report, and it is his life.

And he also sees the day to day issues of Israel vs Palestine, and I can asdure you your views on Palestine are wrong. 

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