Calvinism

[Baptistsenior]

Why do preachers that condemn Calvanism quote Spurgeon so often?  

[Jim_Alaska]

To prove their point of view by quoting a well known and prestigious source.

[Bouncing Bill]

1 hour ago, Baptistsenior said:

Why do preachers that condemn Calvanism quote Spurgeon so often?  

No one is perfect in their theology. Spurgeon may have been incorrect in one or more areas but brilliant in others areas at the same time.

[SureWord]

Because you don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Too much cancel culture among Fundamentalists.

[Baptistsenior]

I do not agree with Calvanism, but I love Spurgeon because he saturates his sermons with Gods Word.  Too many preachers use a verse or two and alot of opinion in their sermons 

[John Young]

Another thing about Spurgeon is that he never let Theological intellectualism to get in the way of the practical commands of scripture. So while he was a Calvinist he was also very concerned with carrying out the great commission through evangelism. Also if one looks beyond his Calvinism and into most of his messages they will see a person more in line with today's Fundamentalist Baptist than with today's Reformed Calvinist.

[SureWord]

2 hours ago, John Young said:

Another thing about Spurgeon is that he never let Theological intellectualism to get in the way of the practical commands of scripture. So while he was a Calvinist he was also very concerned with carrying out the great commission through evangelism. Also if one looks beyond his Calvinism and into most of his messages they will see a person more in line with today's Fundamentalist Baptist than with today's Reformed Calvinist.

Yes, he was a Calvinist who practiced soul winning.

[Baptistsenior]

19 hours ago, SureWord said:

Yes, he was a Calvinist who practiced soul winning.

Because he also believed in free will 

[Bouncing Bill]

41 minutes ago, Baptistsenior said:

Because he also believed in free will 

So, was Spurgeon predestined to believe in free will?

[Yeshuafan]

1 hour ago, Baptistsenior said:

Because he also believed in free will 

Yes, from our Calvinist perspective!

20 hours ago, SureWord said:

Yes, he was a Calvinist who practiced soul winning.

many of the greatest missions were from Calvinists....

[robycop3]

  Not necessarily. He evidently learned it from Scripture study.

  Now, I believe we all agree God is perfectly-just. Would it be perfectly-just for Him to create people predestinated for hell no matter what?

  Obviously, God created some people predestined to serve Him, such as Moses, Jeremiah, & Paul, among others. And we are repeatedly exhorted to spread the Gospel, by Jesus Himself, & the apostles. He would not have done that, nor given the "Great Commission" if everyone were already predestinated with no chance to change it.

I choose to believe 2 Peter 3:9 & NOT tiptoe thru the TULIP !

[Jim_Alaska]

26 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

So, was Spurgeon predestined to believe in free will?

And so it goes; the fatal mistake of all Hyper-Calvinists. God's Word never indicates that predestination applies to anything other than that, those who are saved be conformed to the image of His Son. Romans 8:29 (KJV) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

God's Word never says or indicates that anyone is predestined to be saved or go to Hell. As a matter of fact God's Word does not indicate that anyone is predestined to anything other than to be conformed to the image of his Son once they are saved.

Calvinism is and always has been an invention of the fertile mind of man that seeks to prove a fallacious belief, rather than allowing Scripture to dictate an accurate interpretation of itself.

[SureWord]

Predestination solely has to do with the final outcome of those who believe in the Son of God. God has determined beforehand that all who receive his Son by their own freewill will someday be conformed into the image of his Son. 

Spurgeon may have believed Calvin's nonsense in his head but the Holy Ghost in his heart told him otherwise.

 

Edited November 24, 2020 by SureWord

[DaChaser]

On 11/24/2020 at 7:49 AM, Jim_Alaska said:

And so it goes; the fatal mistake of all Hyper-Calvinists. God's Word never indicates that predestination applies to anything other than that, those who are saved be conformed to the image of His Son. Romans 8:29 (KJV) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

God's Word never says or indicates that anyone is predestined to be saved or go to Hell. As a matter of fact God's Word does not indicate that anyone is predestined to anything other than to be conformed to the image of his Son once they are saved.

Calvinism is and always has been an invention of the fertile mind of man that seeks to prove a fallacious belief, rather than allowing Scripture to dictate an accurate interpretation of itself.

Predestination refers to only the Elected by the father to be now found in Christ, not to the lost!

On 11/24/2020 at 8:14 AM, SureWord said:

Predestination solely has to do with the final outcome of those who believe in the Son of God. God has determined beforehand that all who receive his Son by their own freewill will someday be conformed into the image of his Son. 

Spurgeon may have believed Calvin's nonsense in his head but the Holy Ghost in his heart told him otherwise.

 

Interesting how so many non calvinists like to use term Hyper Cal, even though they are a minority fringe in Calvinism!

[SureWord]

2 hours ago, DaChaser said:

Predestination refers to only the Elected by the father to be now found in Christ, not to the lost!

Interesting how so many non calvinists like to use term Hyper Cal, even though they are a minority fringe in Calvinism!

I don't recall using that word but I once read some stuff by a Calvinist who taught that God will toss babies into hell. Now I imagine he's a "Hyper" yet, let me tell you, he was the most consistent Calvinist in his beliefs I've ever read.