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  1. Pastor Scott Markle, re: "From your comments above it appears that you are viewing this reference to days as a reference to "fasting on certain days." However, I see NO reference to the idea of fasting in the chapter at all. Could you point out the particular wording anywhere in the chapter which moves you to the idea of fasting?" Verse 6 - "He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks." I take this to be saying that days are being observed for eating or not eating. I take not eating to be refering to fasting.
  2. robycop3, re: " Simple truth is, Jesus was crucified on a WEDNESDAY...And I believe Jesus was resurrected just before sunset on the regular weekly Sabbath of that week..." Luke 24:21 has the men on the road to Emmaus saying that the 1st day of the week " is the 3rd day since these things happened", with the crucifixion being the last thing mentioned as happening (verse 24:20). So if the 1st day of the week was the 3rd day since the crucifixion, then the 7th day of the week would be the 2nd day since the crucifixion, which would make the 6th day of the week the 1st day since the crucifixion, which would make the 5th day of the week the day when the last thing mentioned happened, i.e., the crucifixion and not the 4th day of the week as you suggest.
  3. No, not in the 2 verses when taken alone and not surrounded by the context of the chapter. However, the context of the chapter from beginning to end deals with the issue of the eating of animal food versus vegetables along with the related practice of fasting on certain days. Verse 20 sums up the intent of the chapter: "Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food."
  4. weary warrior, re: "If you still can't see it..." No "if" about it. I still don't see where Romans 14 says anything about the Sabbath.
  5. weary warrior, re: "5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. note 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it." And again, the issues being addressed in Romans 14 have to do with dietary practices. Nothing is said about the Sabbath. re: "The early church DID worship on the first day of the week, yes." Just so it's understood that scripture is silent with regard to saying that anyone met on the first day of the week for the purpose of weekly worship - or for that matter for a day of rest. With regard to your comments about calendars, I still don't see your point with regard to Sabbath observance.
  6. weary warrior, re: "Does Romans 14 not answer this whole question clearly, completely and simply?" Not in any of the various translations/versions that I've seen. The subject of the chapter from start to finish has to do with dietary practices. This chapter says nothing with regard to the Sabbath. re: "The SDA's argue against Sunday worship because 'it was invented by Rome' while observing the Hebrew 'Sabbath' on a Gregorian calendar, given to them by ... Pope Gregory!" I'm afraid I don't understand your point. I wonder if you might elaborate?
  7. DaveW started this topic with what I thought was with regard to weekly meetings on the first day of the week. He wrote: "...the Bible is quite plain that organised meetings were absolutely definitely held on Sundays." Although not specifically stated, my reply was predicated on the idea that he was at least implying that there were multiple accounts of folks meeting weekly on the first day of the week. So when I wrote there were only two times mentioned in scripture I was referring to weekly gatherings on the first day of the week. I didn't include the Acts reference since it is referring to an annual event. In the furture I will try to be more specific with regard to my intent.
  8. So why did you quote my comment, i.e., "When I said that there were only 2 times mentioned with anyone getting together on the 1st day of the week I was speaking with regard to weekly gatherings." if your question marks were not asking about that comment?
  9. re: "In that case then, you will have one person who thinks this way." I thought most Baptists think the crucifixion occurred on the 6th day of the week. Has that belief changed?
  10. Maybe someone new visiting this topic who believes the Messiah died on the 6th day of the week and who thinks He was using common figure of speech/colloquial language in Matthew 12:40 might know of examples to support the idea of commonality.
  11. Point #5 in post #102 should be changed to read: To account for the discrepancy, there may be some of the above who say that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.
  12. DaveW, re: "I might suggest though that Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday for the burial, is not as important as the fact that the tomb is indeed empty." As Jerry touched on, would that comment still apply if the tomb had been found empty on the 1st day after the burial?
  13. In thinking about it, I realize that it doesn't make any difference with regard to sunset versus sunrise; there would still be a lack of a third night with a 6th day of the week crucifixion.

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