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  1. rstrats

    Matthew 12:40

    Jim_Alaska, re: "What will that accomplish for you. It would satisfy my curiosity.
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    Matthew 12:40

    But perhaps sometime in the future someone who does think the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week will look in on this topic.
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    Matthew 12:40

    Apparently there are no longer any folks here who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.
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    Matthew 12:40

    Someone new looking in may know of examples.
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    Matthew 12:40

    OK, tell me why I should accept posts that deal with different issues from the issue of this topic?
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    Matthew 12:40

    DaveW, You have a question directed to you in my last post.
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    Sabbath Worship?

    re: "And yet, there are NO references to believers gathering an other day for the purpose of corporate worship." Nor are there any indisputable references to believers gathering on the first day of the week for the purpose of corporate worship. re: "The reference in Acts 20 indicates, in the context, that this was a common thing, to meet and break bread on the first day..." How does the context show that it was common to observe the Lord's Supper on every first day of the week? And again, The phrase, "to break bread", does not have to refer to a religious service - unless it is specifically stated - but to dividing loaves of bread for a meal. "It means to partake of food and is used of eating as in a meal...... The readers [of the original New Testament letters and manuscripts] could have had no other idea or meaning in their minds" (E.W.Bullinger, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, pp. 839,840." But even if it did always mean the Lord's Supper, Acts 2:46 says that the believers broke bread every day which removes any special importance with regard to the first day of the week. Also, a further explanation taken from B Ward Powers’ First Corinthians - An Exegetical and Explanatory Commentary: "The expression 'the breaking of bread' found in Acts 2 was commonly used amongst the Jews to refer to the sharing of a meal in conscious religious fellowship, and this usage is found in the New Testament, not least in the Gospel by the same author as Acts and even elsewhere in the Acts." "The significance of the religious aspect of the breaking of bread would be greatly heightened for the disciples in the light of the Last Supper, but this is not the same as saying that they held a ritual meal deliberately re-enacting the Last Supper in ­conscious obedience to the command of Christ, commemorating his death through eating bread and drinking a cup; and these features would be necessary if we are to regard the 'breaking of bread' as equating with the Lord’s Supper." "Rather, the evidence indicates that in the New Testament the expression 'the breaking of bread' or 'broke bread' refers to the usual Jewish practice of prayer with which a hunger-satisfying meal commenced. When we recognize that references to the breaking of bread are not references to the Lord’s Supper, we see the significance of what we learn from Paul’s teaching in 1 Corinthians."
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    Matthew 12:40

    I wonder if you might point out where I rejected any examples which show that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur?
  9. rstrats

    Sabbath Worship?

    Actually, as far as scripture is concerned, there are only two times mentioned with regard to anybody getting together on the first (day) of the week - John 20:19 and Acts 20:7. There is never any mention of them ever again being together on the first. The John reference has them together in a closed room after the crucifixion because they were afraid of their fellow Jews. Nothing is said about a worship service or day of rest. And it couldn't have been in recognition of the resurrection because at that time they didn't even believe that the resurrection had taken place. The Acts reference has them together very likely because Paul happened to be in town and he wanted to talk to them before he had to leave again. The "breaking of bread" could simply be saying that the disciples got together to eat a meal on this particular first day of the week . The phrase, "to break bread", does not have to refer to a religious service - unless it is specifically stated - but to dividing loaves of bread for a meal. "It means to partake of food and is used of eating as in a meal...... The readers [of the original New Testament letters and manuscripts] could have had no other idea or meaning in their minds" (E.W.Bullinger, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, pp. 839,840.
  10. rstrats

    Matthew 12:40

    DaveW, You have a question directed to you in post #103.
  11. rstrats

    Matthew 12:40

    That would be an issue for a different topic.
  12. rstrats

    Matthew 12:40

    I don't see any similarity. In your example I assume that everyone would understand that at least a portion of each one of 5 calendar days would be involved. But would anyone understand that no part of a 5th calendar day would be spent at the Falls?
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    Matthew 12:40

    With the new year upon us maybe a further wording of the OP will make it more clear: 1. The Messiah said that three nights would be involved with His time in the "heart of the earth". 2. There are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week. 3. Of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb. 4. However, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved. 5. To account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur. 6. In order for someone to legitimately say that it was common they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion. I am simply wondering if anyone knows of examples to support the idea of commonality?
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    Matthew 12:40

    But maybe someone new looking in will know of examples to support their belief that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.
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    Matthew 12:40

    Invicta, re: "I don't need any examples I just need the bible." I realize that you don't need examples since you're not a believer in a 6th day of the week crucifixion. re: "But you can give them if you wish." I wish I could, but so far no one has provided any.
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