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  1. I do know the 7s in the book of revelation are always divided into two parts one part with 4 and then the other part with 3. The churches are also ordered in the direction of travel on the main road from Pergamos and were the closet churches one would naturally go to when departing from the Island.
  2. People do the same thing with "Christian music" and Bible Versions as well. Simply put prole don't pay attention to who is saying stuff or why they are saying it. As that that takes too much work on their part. Particularly when people are sharing things on Facebook is when they are having their down time and as entertainment and not their thinking time. If they like it, or the person that shared it before them, they just share it as well with no real after thought to where it originated.
  3. The things that are good in feminism are not original to it. So I would say it is never an acceptable philosophy because its foundations are based on errant ideas. Those few good things are better found in the study of the biblical family structure.
  4. What I said was to be a MEMBER of a local church BODY. Not that you should just attend a church building service or get your name on a church membership roll somewhere. When you are a member you submit one to another. You have a local body in which has extended the right hand of fellowship with you and that you promise to be accountable to for the things you say and do and work together with to accomplish the Great commission. When you don't submit to a tangible local church body then it would be hypocritical to claim that you are submitted to the Lord's Spiritual Body. 1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. Ephesians 5:21 submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
  5. That's great and I understand your heart in wanting to be a blessing and not a burden but ministry should be done under the authority and guidance of a local church. To do otherwise undermines the very system Christ put in place. Having a buffet style doctrine and washy washy answers will end up hurting you and those you are tying to help. Try picking a solid bible church to submit to by membership and some actual doctrinal positions to stand firm on (and maybe a few books that take clear biblical/doctrinal stands, without your face on them) and then you will actually do some good for the Lord's ministry and not "your own name" ministry.
  6. How can you be accurate about a man who refuses to be accurate? For accuracy you have to have known dimensions but his whole mindset is about not being molded to or by anything tangible. He's "free in Christ" after all... unbounded by pesky rules regulations, religion, and labels....And you can be too! for the low low price of a few devotional books every year that all have his picture on them.
  7. Acts 12 says it. Herod waited til after Easter to please the Jews. As Easter has always been the Christian reference to the morning Christ arose by not only defeating death but also the Roman seal that the Jews had requested bind Jesus in the tomb. Acts 12 was ten years to the day of the Resurrection of Christ and Herod was trying to reenact an anti-resurrection demonstration Herod was attempting to do with Jesus' most popular disciple. That's why an angel opened the prison doors and freed him that day. Matthew 27:62-65 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, 63 saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. 64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first. 65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can. Acts 12:2-5 And he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) 4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. 5 Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.
  8. Today my wife and I joined Maranath Bible Baptist Church in Fulton, MI. I'l be the Assitant Pastor there helping out Pastor Harold Brown with the Preaching and Teaching duties of the church. I'm also working on getting the church online with a Facebook page and google accounts and uploading our sermons. If you would like to follow our church online you can like us on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/Maranatha-Bible-Baptist-Church-of-Fulton-MI-852512551792430/

    1. Alan


      May the Lord bless your ministry at Maranatha Bible Baptist Church in Fulton, MI.

  9. I'm not sure what you do every morning and particularly on Sunday and on Easter but most every Christian has celebrated it daily weekly and yearly for almost 2,000 years. If you can't see it then its because you don't want to see it. Matthew 4:16 the people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. 2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. Psalm 30:5 For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour islife: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning. CELEBRATE, verb transitive 1. To praise; to extol; to commend; to give to; to make famous; as, to celebrate the name of the Most High. The grave cannot celebrate thee. Isaiah 38:18. 2. To distinguish by solemn rites; to keep holy. From even to even shall ye celebrate your Sabbath. Leviticus 23:32. 3. To honor or distinguish by ceremonies and marks of joy and respect; as, to celebrate the birth day of Washington; to celebrate a marriage. 4. To mention in a solemn manner, whether of joy or sorrow.
  10. IFB churches are independent. They hold to clear cut provable doctrines from the Bible so that would be their regulating authority. Aside from pastors discussing doctrine and having simulare views there really is no set document.
  11. It really depends on each individual church as to how far their policy on it goes into regulating Divorce and remarriage. Most all agree its wrong to do except in extreme or limited circumstances.
  12. In this message we review what the purpose of Soulwinning is and why it is important, when possible, to emphasize the whole Commission in our soul winning presentations. Not only to save the souls from hell but to also to help sanctify them. We show how salvation (not just from Hell but for all aspects of our lives) is by believing on the LORD Jesus Christ and the Gospel is what we preach in order to led them (through the power of the Holy Spirit) to accepting Jesus as such. We take note of the fact that "Repentance" is not a physical action of turning or stopping any sin but rather turning from a state of Pride and rebellion before God to a state of Humble submission before God. We also show the four points that should make up any gospel presentation and the Biblical reason for each point. Then we finish up with the importance of each believer accepting and modeling each point in their own lives in order to be a proper witness of the LORD Jesus Christ. (Preached: Sunday Afternoon 6-30-2019, Green Meadow Bible Baptist Church, Pastor Steven Zantjer, Kalamazoo, MI)
  13. The plague was stayed in the camp but not eliminated. That's why Moses forbade them from entering the camp (Numbers 31:16) and inisiated the purification of everything that was to be brought in the camp from the cities they destroyed. The plague actually remained and festered in the uncleaned parts of the land as stated in Joshua 22:16-19 Thus saith the whole congregation of the Lord, What trespass is this that ye have committed against the God of Israel, to turn away this day from following the Lord, in that ye have builded you an altar, that ye might rebel this day against the Lord? 17 Is the iniquity of Peor too little for us, from which we are not cleansed until this day, although there was a plague in the congregation of the Lord, 18 but that ye must turn away this day from following the Lord? and it will be, seeing ye rebel to day against the Lord, that to morrow he will be wroth with the whole congregation of Israel. 19 Notwithstanding, if the land of your possession be unclean, then pass ye over unto the land of the possession of the Lord, wherein the Lord’s tabernacle dwelleth, and take possession among us: but rebel not against the Lord, nor rebel against us, in building you an altar beside the altar of the Lord our God.
  14. This is starting to sound like "a rose by any other name" or a dinosaurs vs dragons debate..... Its clear they contracted it and died because of fornication with the women. Whatever the plague is called makes no difference to how they died, what they were commanded to do to eliminate it, and its application for us today.
  15. That sin removed the divine protection Israel had from God which opened up them to the plague fro the actual act of fornication which was broke out among them from God. Remember Apostle Paul states it was the act of fornication that caused 23,000 of them to fall and so the other 1,000 by the judges most likely. The whoredom started first and no sickness but then the worship happened and those who joined died from the act of fornication or execution. Out of curiosity, which definition do you think is meant, if not a physical disease or pestilence? Plague PLAGUE, noun plag. [Latin plaga, a stroke; Gr. See Lick and Lay. The primary sense is a stroke or striking. So afflict is from the root of flog, and probably of the same family as plague ] 1. Any thing troublesome or vexatious; but in this sense, applied to the vexations we suffer from men, and not to the unavoidable evils inflicted on us by Divine Providence. The application of the word to the latter, would now be irreverent and reproachful. 2. A pestilential disease; an acute, malignant and contagious disease that often prevails in Egypt, Syria and Turkey, and has at times infected the large cities of Europe with frightful mortality. 3. A state of misery. Psalms 38:1. 4. Any great natural evil or calamity; as the ten plagues of Egypt. PLAGUE, verb transitive plag. 1. To infest with disease, calamity or natural evil of any kind. Thus were they plagued And worn with famine. 2. To vex; to tease; to harass; to trouble; to embarrass; a very general and indefinite signification. If her nature be so, That she will plague the man that loves her most--
  16. I've not written anything here with the intent to demean anyone's character. I have the upmost respect for Salyan, DaveW and anyone else here who wants to have a biblical conversation on this forum. The reference to "liberal" is reference to the source of the teaching that would make the purification actions mandated by God as merely being "the cultural reactions of that day of victors over any conquered foe". I have no interest in questioning the motives of any person here, or the people who think the teaching has validity but rather the veracity of the teaching itself. That teaching is not original with anyone on this form but is often found in various commentaries that are too lose with opinions on the scriptures and picked up by preachers who merely repeated it in the pulpit in passing but id not look too much into it as most teachers do not deal with Numbers 25 and 31 directly with much study but only touch on it in passing. STD simply means "Sexually transmitted disease" and fits with the description given of "a plague that is spread by fornication". I do not reject the fact that God gave this plague to whomever was fornicating with the women. It was not simply a natural occurrence but it was spread as an STD by the women once God let it lose. Whither God had prepared it in them before hand, as He can and often does, or if it was not there until they intentionally intermingles with the population does not matter. Its my belief it was already there in them prepared because it was initiated "through the counsel of Balaam". This means Balaam knew God would lift his protection and allow a plague in the camp if He could get them to worship idols and fornicate with the women (Exodus 15:26) and that's what God did because of their rebellion "in the matter of Peor". Additionally the Apostle Paul used this passage as a reason that we should not fornicate even today, and tied the passage to what can happen to us. 1 Corinthians 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. This means that if we commit fornication that we can suffer the same fate as they did, even today. Today those who commit fornication contract plagues called STDs that the normal population does not. So to call the plague a form of STD is not unreasonable and one of the most basic deductions that can be made of what is happening in the passages. The only differences between eliminating an deadly STD (purification) back then was they had only execution, fire, water and quarantine. Today we have medicine that can cure or treat many things that were once deadly to a population. Paul concludes this example with the statement in 1 Corinthians 10:11-13 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. This ties back to the promise of Exodus 15:26 and also to the fact that what happened to them is common to man and STDs are what we call the plagues that are common to those who fornicate today. As a side note and example AIDs/HIV is a deadly plague that is spreading rampant and the only reason those who live as long as they do is because of our advanced medicine and sanitary protections. Also all STDs can be eliminated from a society within a generation if it follows God's laws as Israel was required to do for protection. So I fully believe God initiated Aids and all the other STDs as he did the plague in the matter of Peor. Those who fornicate contract them yet those who do not fornicate are mostly safe from them.
  17. Here are the sermons we preached at church on the incident in Numbers 25 and 31: Description: "Numbers 25 - Whoredom Breeds Disease (in Body and Mind) Edgecliff Baptist Church, Pastor John Young" Giving your sexual devotion to someone other than your wife and your spiritual devotion to someone other than God is evil. It can corrupt you in both body and soul and it can ruin your society as well. Christians should never be involved in any lifestyle outside one man and one woman as promiscuity leads to transmittable disease in body and mental instability in mind. Not being able to get God to curse Israel, Balaam showed Balack how to get Israel to curse themselves by letting whorish women join with the camp and lead its people to worship pagan gods. These whores carried with them sexual venereal disease as well which spread as a plague in the camp, eventually killing around 24,000 people. It was so bad that the the judges were commanded to execute anyone who was caught defiling themselves with any of these women. Both to stop the physical spread and put fear into anyone even thinking about consorting with the whorish women. Unfortunately, the command was hindered by predominate men who defied the command and even openly solicited their fellows to lay with the women in open orgies before the congregation and tabernacle of the LORD. Numbers 25 Gives the example of Phinehas the son of the High Priest Eleazar, who saw one such a leader of the people drawing away his fellows from a national time of morning before the tabernacle in order to commit whoredom with a diseased Midianitish woman in a tent nearby. Rising up from the time of prayer, he grabbed a javelin and struck down the man for his treason. This action was recolonized as the key action that turned the hearts and minds away from whoring with the diseased women and saving the people from spreading the plague and being lead astray to fraternizing with the pagan nation, in receiving their gods and unhealthy sexual customs. For this act his family line received the office of intersession on behalf of the people before God. In this sermon we deal with the destructive nature of sexual promiscuity and what happens when supposed "Godly leaders" promote a sexually promiscuous lifestyles among God's people, rather than God's ordained Spiritual Purity regarding sexual matter wither within or without the marriage covenant. We also note the importance of government in protecting from and educating society of the destruction that comes with the introduction and propagation of sexual promiscuity and their need to judge such acts as evil to both people's mind and body. Preached: December 2, 2018 Sunday Morning. By Pastor John Young, at Edgecliff Baptist Church, Spokane Valley, WA. Description: "Numbers 31- Eradicating The Flesh Trade (Why it flourishes and how to stop it) Whole Bible Preaching" One of the last things a Christian must gain victory over in order to have a victorious Christian life is the hidden sexual sins of their flesh, with all of its affections and lusts. Often, even seemingly "Holy" and "great men" of the faith have fallen from lofty heights because they never mortified, and in fact enabled habitually, their hidden sexual sin lusts. Even the average good Christian is not immune if they do not mortify their secret fleshly sins. When we as individuals secretly allow the flesh to rule in our hearts, the community will suffer as, the flesh having secret rule will seek to be satiated through the sex trades. The more the secret beast is allowed to grow, the sex trade then becomes public and eventually will have to be stocked by the evils of human trafficking through mental manipulation and kidnapping of people. Eventually, such a society will be over taken by a sodomite culture that will tear down the public morals of family life and "alternative flesh lifestyles" will be promoted and sexual (and mental) diseases will become prevalent and destructive. These things follow of necessity, to feed the secret beast of the flesh, even of those who may even condemn them openly, but do nothing about it in themselves. Numbers 25 showed us the need, hand how, to destroy this system from within society, cutting it off at the source, and in Numbers 31 we see how the visages of it was to be destroyed from without, so that it could not easily take root again. In this message we note that while the harsh methods Israel had to employ, in order to rid the area of the plague are not what is needed in our modern society of advanced medicine and quarantine, the procedures are none the less the same. We show that until we individually as Christians, can mortify our flesh by employing the Spirit of Christ and then together, being an example for all, we cannot hope to eradicate this blight from society. Preached: January 6, 2019 Sunday Morning. By Pastor John Young, at Edgecliff Baptist Church, Spokane Valley, WA.
  18. There are many other technical reasons, both biblical, scientific, and historical as to why the view I presented is correct but but I just limited it to the basic scriptural reference of the passage that if anyone wanted to thoroughly investigate will come the same conclusion of STD Plague had to be eliminated for the reasons why God had them do what they did. The view you presented as an alternative theory was put forward by liberal "bible scholars" and imposed upon the text as an attempt to explain away their actions without actually showing why they acted in that way. It is one born out of cultural presumption of the nations around them and not based on what the scriptures presented. It acts as if the actions of Israel as lead by God and Moses were no better than the cultural norms of the wicked nations they displaced. We need to remember God initiated the purification procedures in Numbers 31 and if it was up to the natural cultural norms of the Israelite people (which was much more noble and compassionate than brute killers) they would have kept ALL the women and children alive, both male and female children, as stated in Numbers 31:9. The purification procedure was initiated to cleanse the plague from the among captive population so that they could enter the camp as shown in Numbers 31:13-16. The goal was to eliminate the plague and those responsible and not to kill anymore then they had to.
  19. Not a problem. The answer probably does not require an extra thread. Several things indicate that they were diseased. The obvious first fact is that God gave this plague to whomever had fornicated with the women. So as to wither or not God let lose a new deadly STD directly or by natural means already in the women from that culture is rather immaterial as any person who participated in their sex cult worship with them by fornication contracted it and the men and women who participated contracted it as well a spread it by willful fornication. The second is that we know from history that sexual perversion and STDs were rampant in the culture of that area and most were cariers of many diseases which God said He would place on their enemies. Deuteronomy 7:15-16 And the Lord will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee. 16 And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that will be a snare unto thee. The third is that they had to take special care to purify the spoils and the people before returning to camp. Numbers 31:19-23 And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day. 20 And purify all your raiment, and all that is made of skins, and all work of goats’ hair, and all things made of wood. 21 And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This is the ordinance of the law which the Lord commanded Moses; 22 only the gold, and the silver, the brass, the iron, the tin, and the lead, 23 every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water. The fourth fact is the unique determination of how Moses was told to decide who of the Moabites/Midianites would live or die. This particular group could not be purified but had to be put to death in order not to spread this deadly STD. Only the girls who had not known man were allowed to live and become part of the Israelite people. All males had to be put to death because their was no way to tell who was a carrier. Numbers 31:9-18 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. 14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. 15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. This purification measure saved 32,000 in addition to the Israeli camp. Numbers 31:35 and thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.
  20. I've been to places in West Texas where we not only lose cell reception but all radio reception and out there the plants want to kill you and the sticks on the ground might be snakes.
  21. The apostle Paul was referencing Numbers 25 where disease women form Moab had infiltrated the camp and were intentionally spreading disease and a false sex cult religion. God had promised to protect the people of Israel if they were obedient to his law and covenant but if they partook in the sins of the people around them and rejected his laws then God said they would also partake in their punishments of sexually transmitted disease that had been placed upon the wicked who practiced fornication as a form of worshiping their false Gods. Exodus 15:25-26 And he cried unto the Lord; and the Lord shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them, 26 and said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the Lord that healeth thee. We see the same today. While our particular sexually transmitted viruses we have today are not as bad as the one they experienced we still see that those who sleep around will most likely contract and carry many STDs while those who only have one sexual partner, with their union protected by the marriage covenant, will not have any STD. In this we learn that STDs are a punishment from God upon those who reject his word. We are God's creation so he can do whatever he wants with us. In His creation he set certain things in motion to fulfill certain functions (viruses, bacteria, and other very small creatures, etc) but because of the sinful environment man has created these things can mutate and or get into places that they shouldn't be that can harm us. If we do not follow His warnings then He will allow theses things to harm us as a form consequences of our rebellion and freewill.
  22. When we did the membership at our church plant, in addition to a proper salvation and baptismal testimony we also required them to read and generally agree with our "Articles of faith" and in those areas in which they disagreed on a minor point they had to agree not to go against its teaching. Considering the Great commission is threefold (Salvation, Baptism, Discipleship) potential members were required to agree with the church's method for each.
  23. Because nowhere in the text does it say its referring figuratively to the womb and neither do your referenced verses. It simply is not a metaphorical passage but a describing actual literal actions taken by Christ. Apostle Paul is not making poetry about Christ physical birth but rather contrasting literal actions that Christ took as his Death Burial and Resurrection. As to Psalms 139:15 David is not referring to his formation in the womb but rather to his "substance". His elements in the earth formed by God long before he was conceived that would one day make up his body. Psalm 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. As to Isaiah 51:1 that is a figurative allusion, but not of a womb, but of a rock quarry.
  24. You may be looking at 1 Timothy 3. The assignment is for 2 Timothy 3 2 Timothy 3:10-17 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11 persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 and that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
  25. To say nothing of the fact that it is literally Christ, God the Son, who took the Book out of God the Father's hand and is opening each of the seals. Also, the fact that much of the Judgement God sent against Israel in their disobedience appeared "man made" but was clearly claimed to be by His determinant will that could be changed. Such as in Ezekiel 21, letting them know the King of Babylon at the crossroads was his doing and what they did next would determine which road God would send him down.

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