DaveW

Every day I check the church website there are junk feedback entries - between 8 and 16 at least once a day and sometimes twice. Usually they are trying to tell me how to make squillions from bitcoin, sometimes trying to sell me pharmaceuticals cheap, sometimes offering to be my wife. I also get emails from all sorts trying the same things and also trying to give me a few million that was left to them for a good cause by their great uncle who was the treasurer of some place or another. Thankfully I can just delete them, but it does take time, and it is annoying. And because the

So what DO you hope to achieve by posting about church that you have never heard of before, that will have no influence on you or your church, and that is based half the world away? I don't understand.....

You are making claims that are not proven by Bible verses, making vague references to vague passages, where you say they mean one thing, but there is no correlation of what you are saying with the vague references you give. I have been able to find the verses and passages that you refer to because I am able to use a search engine, but with each verse I identify, it doesn't say what you are suggesting. And you join passages together that have no reason to be joined together. If you were serious about stating your case, then you would at least give proper verse references for each

Exactly the point - what is "big enough" for you to stop fellowshipping with someone? Or is the whole concept wrong? Just a topic for discussion...…..

What are people's thoughts over separating from fellowship with someone over doctrinal matters?

So somehow I am the bad guy for pointing out that someone is blatantly misrepresenting someone else? What Mike has accused Cloud of is simply not true. But I don't care to argue about any further. I pointed it out, and it is done. Fire away at this messenger all you like.......

And again, you are choosing to smear Cloud on this matter by suggesting that he holds pre-trib and "the fundamentals" as salvation matters - which he doesn't. Separating over a false doctrine taught does not necessarily mean that he is saying it is a salvation matter. Following the doctrinal teachings of a woman would also be a fairly weighty matter, but not necessarily a salvation issue - but I would separate from someone who follows the doctrinal teachings of a woman. You really do appear to be trying to paint Cloud with a brush that is not of his making.

This is wrong. The "Fundamentals" are not all associated with salvation and it is a gross misrepresentation for you to argue it in this way. Two offices is a fundamental but has nothing to do with salvation. Two ordinances is a fundamental but has nothing to do with salvation (how they are observed does, but not the fact there are only two). There are others but you get the picture. For you to characterise Cloud in this way is totally improper.

By the way, Brother Graham (Lydia's Dad), is a nice guy and a very accomplished musician, aside from anything else. (I don't know him well - doubt he would recognise me at all, but I have met him a few times, and been privileged to hear him play. We live about 4000km away)

I am not confusing last trumps. I pointed to the very last trump.

Revelation 18 notes "trumpeters" (shall be heard no more in thee), so we can safely surmise that up to that point trumpeters were heard, and that means that trumpets had to be around. But trumpets are not mentioned again in Scripture after that point, so the last trump was done away with just prior to Revelation 18:22. That would have to be "the last trump", surely. And the last mention of "horn" is in Revelation 17, but I don't think those ones "trumped" at all....... different kind of horn. I think have shown that the last trump was not one of the judgement trumpets at all,

I certainly apologise if my response came across that way, for that was definitely not my intent. I was simply trying to point out that the Bible, not our own thoughts, should be the prime. Sorry if it came across as aggressive or mean.

As long as your thoughts come from the Bible and are in line with what the Bible says, there should be no problem. If the way you worship the Lord is in line with the Bible, there will be no problem. But if your thoughts or the way you worship the Lord is NOT in line with the Bible, wouldn't you want to have that pointed out?

I should add a couple of things: 1. My wife does far more than many Pastor's wives that I know. Everyone is different and I know several Pastor's wives with severe health issues which restrict them. They would do more if they could. But I know of some Pastor's wives who put 100% into being the best wife and mother they can be, and they cannot be derided for that either. My wife seems to find the energy to do it all - I have to tell her to rest and then it is under sufferance, which is why the accusations were so hurtful to her. 2. Whilst there are no quals that I have ever found, I