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I had an uncle who received a labotomy. He once told me airplanes flying over head knew what he was thinking. He was studying engineering at a university and working to pay his way when he had the nervous breakdown. Doctors convinced my grandmother there was no other remedy.

Medieval scientists believed - alchemy, they could chemically turn lead into gold. Personal comment: it seems science has always been about gaining wealth or control of the populace or both. Other disciplines demonstrating science error during the ages?

Bloodletting - by a physician or by leeches, common medical practice performed by surgeons from antiquity until the late 19th century, a span of over 2,000 years.

I remember each was tangled in sin or was in a condition set forth to glorify the Father and the Son. Your assumption as well as Bonhoeffer's is incorrect. Quoted scripture is NEVER incorrect. What men do is sin and what men omit is sorrow over sin to repentance and salvation.

What year? Exact year unknown. I agree even the Apostles spoke of heresy and anti-Christs in the churches of God. So it began very quickly. They had no completed copies of the O.T. and N.T. in the early church. William Penn in his book, NO CROSS, NO CROWN:, (1600s) and A.W. Tozer in various books (1950s and 60s), warned of lethargy creeping over Christendom and in the churches of America. Not so common for Faithful to Christ and those close to God's word... I think because we have our own copies of the Bible it causes difficulty for "damnable heresies" to be introduced to "spirit and truth" Christendom, "we have the mind of Christ". We test our understanding with others; pastors, teachers, brothers and sisters in the Lord who we trust "faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also" and of "of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom,". Just my thoughts.

I'll end my comments in this post with this. You will have trouble when you sin in the area of divorce and then remarriage. I don't care how perfect anyone thinks they, their new spouse or spouse to be appear spiritually; there will be difficulty when you marry outside the will of God. This marriage I'm describing, especially if there are children from a previous marriage will experience issues between spouse and any step-children. Try as this family may, they will not be able to dispose of all the baggage that comes from a previous marriage and subsequent divorce-re-marriage. Their only hope is total dependency on the Lord Jesus Christ to take this under His grace. Take Paul's inspired words from the Lord to heart... 27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. 28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. 29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none; 1 Corinthians 7:27-29 And the entire chapter (1 Corinthians 7) is admonition every professing Christian should be familiar with.

I thank Jesus Christ, He is the one doing the forgiving not a man of this earth. I am forgiven according to His word.

Thanks Martyr, but more needs to be quoted and said. Yes, that anyone can be forgiven and repentance is a turn from sin never to do it again. So, I will never again divorce or remarry, once committing those sins was bad enough. Is there some pharisaical law I've over-stepped, too bad, I'm not trusting any Pharisee for my eternal security. Please show me which sin Christ's blood was insufficient to cover, divorce or remarriage.

Just remember the above is not scripture. divorce and remarriage are sinsas I understand them. I sinned twice and Christ forgave me of both. Yes, I repented and it is under the blood, just as much as any other sin you may have committed. Consider yourself before you labor your mind on these two sins. God hates ALL sin, equally...maybe, God knows. It was a sin in my life, to divorce my wife for fornication...regardless of the fact fornication was acknowledged. Thank God that through Jesus' work forgiveness was assured when we sin. Please consider the following... 28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. ~ Mark 3:28-30 ...AND... 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. ~ John 8:10-11 ...also, was the following woman saved? 16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. 17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. 41 And many more believed because of his own word; ~ John 4:17-18, 41

Do you always attempt to antagonize? I suppose someone has to do it. God doesn't 'play' I'm sure you meant 'plan' not play. Matthew 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Romans 12:18 "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men." We (USA) had no intention of involving ourselves in a protracted war with the Taliban or any of the terrorist groups given haven there. We were living peaceably with them. However, from that haven, the USA was attacked. The government of the USA is a secular entity and is subject to passions of any lost unsaved folks. They are also subject (or should be) to the passions of citizens of the USA and many of them are lost. The citizens were enraged and the government responded with a search and destroy mission for Osama Bin Laden. The remainder of the mission suffered 'mission creep' and resulted in 20 years of war over there with prevention of other terrorist attacks as justification. Sadly, Obama and Biden could have pulled us out after they killed Osama and his family but they chose instead to relieve every general and admiral who advised them to get out. Back to my comments its Obama and Biden's fault we have no military leadership remaining.

Nice, but the condemnation needs to come from our own. More evidence of the insignificance of the USA in God's eternal plan.

I watched as Obama eliminated the best military tactical minds and leaders in favor of generals and admirals skilled in social engineering and expert in maintaining their retirement pensions. Biden was just as much at fault as Obama and is complicit in the deterioration of our military. Now there are no active generals or admirals who will stand up and tell Biden he was wrong nor were there any tactical-leaders to advise him his course of action (full retreat) was wrong and sent the wrong message. I imagine none of the Obama-Biden generals will even be asked to resign. Sadly, President Trump was stuck with these same mealy-mouthed no account generals and admirals during his first four years. I have a feeling that will change during Trump's next four years.

When you looked at the following scripture how did you parse it with regard to divorce and or remarriage? 28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. ~ Mark 3:28-30

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Have you read or heard men who gave warning through the ages? Can you kindly leave a quote? I know there are many examples of men but, I hope "crept in" but the warnings are what I hope for in this thread. "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." Jude 1:4 August 18 'Strangers are come into the sanctuaries of the Lord's house.'-Jeremiah 51:51 In this account the faces of the Lord's people were covered with shame, for it was a terrible thing that men should intrude into the Holy Place reserved for the priests alone. Everywhere about us we see like cause for sorrow. How many ungodly men are now educating with the view of entering into the ministry! What a crying sin is that solemn lie by which our whole population is nominally comprehended in a National Church! How fearful it is that ordinances should be pressed upon the unconverted, and that among the more enlightened churches of our land there should be such laxity of discipline. If the thousands who will read this portion shall all take this matter before the Lord Jesus this day, He will interfere and avert the evil which else will come upon His Church. To adulterate the Church is to pollute a well, to pour water upon fire, to sow a fertile field with stones. May we all have grace to maintain in our own proper way the purity of the Church, as being an assembly of believers, and not a nation, an unsaved community of unconverted men. Our zeal must, however, begin at home. Let us examine ourselves as to our right to eat at the Lord's table. Let us see to it that we have on our wedding garment, lest we ourselves be intruders in the Lord's sanctuaries. Many are called, but few are chosen; the way is narrow, and the gate is strait. O for grace to come to Jesus aright, with the faith of God's elect. He who smote Uzzah for touching the ark is very jealous of His two ordinances; as a true believer I may approach them freely, as an alien I must not touch them lest I die. Heart searching is the duty of all who are baptized or come to the Lord's table. 'Search me, O God, and know my way, try me and know my heart.' ~ Morning by Morning, C. H. Spurgeon