parents with many children

[JerryNumbers]

We have the topic about the couple whose having their 18th child. So do you think about this. A family has many children, but can't afford to feed them and clothe them, so the government pays the way for their children. Do you think that is proper?

One thing that got me about the Mormons who have many wife's and lots of children, many of them get government assistance to care for their large family that they cannot afford to take care of.

[Ashlee]

many of those families who have many children do so because of religious reasons. the government was clearly set up to keep church and state separate. (not arguing right or wrong of that, just saying). so when they have many kids cause their religious leaders tell them to, the government should stay separate and say, that's church. now, if a family just can't stop having kids for some reason, there is room for negotiation, although you shouldn't have more kids than you can care for anyway.

[Guest Guest]

This is where it gets tricky...I believe that God controls the womb and that we are to leave it up to HIM to decide how many children we have. We should not try to prevent having children because we think we "can't afford" them. However, I also believe that a family that is truly trusting God will have all their NEEDS not wants provided for them and their children by GOD. God gives you the children, and God will take care of them.

By the way, Christian families who send their children to public school are "relying on the government" to raise their kids also, so it is not always just a financial thing.

[John81]

Indeed the fruit or barrenness of the womb belongs to Gods sovereignty and not our own opinions.

The matter of people receiving government assistance is a separate matter as to that of how many children a woman has.

How many children a woman has is (or should be) in the hands of the Lord.

Whether or not people receive government assistance is a political matter.

Properly done, families and churches should be the ones to help those in need.

It's a shame, but today the line between "need" and "want" has become very blurred. Socialist-liberal control freaks want to determine how many people can live in what size of dwelling. They want to determine how what amounts to needs and wants. They want to take the place of God and determine how many children women should have and what constitutes acceptable living standards.

This has led to demands that all poor people have TVs, air conditioners and computers given to them if they don't already have them. This has led to housing shortages and the lack of low cost housing because of governmental regulations. Etc.

By todays standards, my parents and grandparents should have never had children and their children were raised in unacceptable conditions. The same would apply to many of our parents or grandparents.

Christians in America dropped the ball and allowed non-Christians to gain control of the government. They also dropped the ball by not passing the Faith down to their progeny which has given us fewer Christians as well as a plethora of "worldly Christians".

Children are from the Lord. Government assistance is a matter of politics.

[HappyChristian]

To answer the poll question - no! They should not rely on governmental assistance. That is actually taxpayer assistance. That is taking from one citizen and giving to another. Not right in any way, shape or form. If there is real need, Christians should step in and help, and many, many times do. If the government would stop taking our money, more of us could afford to take care of more kids and help others...by our choice not by extortion in the form of taxes (can you tell I don't favor 'em :Green ).

If people who are saved rely on God, He will supply all their needs. He has promised that. That doesn't mean it won't get rough. It means He will supply. When social programs were set up, Americans began relying on the government instead of God. And so we are where we are today.

[JAHinton]

1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

The scripture speaks for itself. If the government is providing then some one has to be guilty of not providing for their own.

[bzmomo7]

"Is it proper to have lots of children depending on the government helping to feed & clothe them?"

This question is a "set up". I like the answer that accepting gov't assistence is a political decision.........and it is separate from having children. Why pick on just large families? A man could have a really good income and a large family..........then suddenly, the husband loses his job, say from "downsizing". Then what? That person would not "plan" on having a large family while "on" gov't assistance, but is now in the position to "qualify" for it. The real question is whether or not it is proper for people to accept gov't assistance at all..... (I think that was discussed in another thread).

[Colin Stolzer]

"Is it proper to have lots of children depending on the government helping to feed & clothe them?"

This question is a "set up". I like the answer that accepting gov't assistence is a political decision.........and it is separate from having children. Why pick on just large families? A man could have a really good income and a large family..........then suddenly, the husband loses his job, say from "downsizing". Then what? That person would not "plan" on having a large family while "on" gov't assistance, but is now in the position to "qualify" for it. The real question is whether or not it is proper for people to accept gov't assistance at all..... (I think that was discussed in another thread).

You almost had it, the real question is why does the gov't think they have the power to give assistance to anyone, show me were any of the federal social programs are empowered in the mandates set forth in the constitution for what the gov't has power over.

C

[OLD fashioned preacher]

"it any provide not for his own..." I agree, the primary context however is widows - unfortunately many eldery are put away and forgotten while their savings,home and then the government pay the upkeep and handle. Go ahead - boo, and hiss (I hope not), we've been involved in nursing care (usually "death homes") ministries for years and have 2 CNAs in the family, and have been caregiver @ home too.

[JerryNumbers]

To answer the poll question - no! They should not rely on governmental assistance. That is actually taxpayer assistance. That is taking from one citizen and giving to another. Not right in any way, shape or form. If there is real need, Christians should step in and help, and many, many times do. If the government would stop taking our money, more of us could afford to take care of more kids and help others...by our choice not by extortion in the form of taxes (can you tell I don't favor 'em :Green ).

If people who are saved rely on God, He will supply all their needs. He has promised that. That doesn't mean it won't get rough. It means He will supply. When social programs were set up, Americans began relying on the government instead of God. And so we are where we are today.

Actually most people around here have more money than they need, for most of them not only have their needs, but they have many of their wants as well as for many things they lust for.

I know many people who could give more to God than they do, help out the needy much more, but they just can't stop buying those new houses that the payments each month range from $1500.00 to $3000.00. And on top of that the husband has to have a new car ever other year, them those he doesn't get a new car the wife gets one. So its not the taxes that is getting most of their money, its their wants and things the lust for that's getting most of their money.

[Charbo]

How many children a couple has is between them and God. However, if they cannot provide for them, they should not have them (1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.).

[JerryNumbers]

Indeed the fruit or barrenness of the womb belongs to Gods sovereignty and not our own opinions.

The matter of people receiving government assistance is a separate matter as to that of how many children a woman has.

How many children a woman has is (or should be) in the hands of the Lord.

Whether or not people receive government assistance is a political matter.

Properly done, families and churches should be the ones to help those in need.

It's a shame, but today the line between "need" and "want" has become very blurred. Socialist-liberal control freaks want to determine how many people can live in what size of dwelling. They want to determine how what amounts to needs and wants. They want to take the place of God and determine how many children women should have and what constitutes acceptable living standards.

This has led to demands that all poor people have TVs, air conditioners and computers given to them if they don't already have them. This has led to housing shortages and the lack of low cost housing because of governmental regulations. Etc.

By todays standards, my parents and grandparents should have never had children and their children were raised in unacceptable conditions. The same would apply to many of our parents or grandparents.

Christians in America dropped the ball and allowed non-Christians to gain control of the government. They also dropped the ball by not passing the Faith down to their progeny which has given us fewer Christians as well as a plethora of "worldly Christians".

Children are from the Lord. Government assistance is a matter of politics.

I've got a question.

If children are from the Lord, the Lord opens and closes the womb, why are so many children born out of fornication and adultery affairs?

Why does God give such a wonderful gift to people who indulges in such horrible sins against Him?

[Timothy]

Who voted 'yes'? :frog :frog :frog

[Ashlee]

not me

[777]

Not me, either - I voted no, because having children that you can't support yourself isn't fair to anybody, including yourself.