All Preachers Should Have A Conceal Weapon Permit

[The Glory Land]

So your advocating recompensing evil for evil because there's many who are mislead & refuse to believe Bible truths?

 

I don't play with rattle snakes, but if one trys to strike me, My machete will work well on its head.

[HappyChristian]

I see no provender allowing for the shooting of those who hate you or who persecute you.

Hmm - I don't know of anyone who advocates shooting someone just because they hate or persecute you.  Self-defense, however, is not wrong.

[Ukulelemike]

Here is an interesting story: in the Book of Ezra, Ezra is given a huge amount of gold, silver, etc, for the house of God. The problem being, they had to carry it all there, through possibly dangerous lands, with robbers on the roads, and get it thee intact and safe,  Simple solution: since the king is being so gracious, seek an escort, to get there safely, an armed entourage. Be a good steward, right? What does Ezra do? (stop me if you've heard it):

 

               "Then I proclaimed a fast there, at the river of Ahava, that we might afflict ourselves before our God, to seek of him a right way for us, and for our little ones, and for all our substance. For I was ashamed to require of the king a band of soldiers and horsemen to help us against the enemy in the way: because we had spoken unto the king, saying, The hand of our God is upon all them for good that seek him; but his power and his wrath is against all them that forsake him. So we fasted and besought our God for this: and he was intreated of us" (Ezra 8:21-23) 

 

   In most minds, of course Ezra would have been wise to seek armed guards to bring the treasures of the house of the Lord safely back to Jerusalem. But instead, he was more concerned over seeming that he had no trust in the God he claimed would protect His own. Where would be the faith? So instead, they fasted and prayed and sought direction from the Lord, and arrived safely in Jerusalem, not one farthing less.

 

   We say we trust in God, yet we seek the arm of flesh to protect us. If the Lord doesn't want us dead, no one can kill us, nor any of our family. If he wants one dead, no amount of guns and bullets and knives and such will change it.

 

  When my wife and I were dating, she called me from her farm and told me that there was a man there who was a friend of her dead husband, a drug dealer, who was trying to put the moves on her, now that she was single. So, I admit, I straped a gun to my hip, put on a trench coat and went out there. However, I ignored the gun, and spent about 20 minutes preaching to him. Now, I wish I could say he got saved, but instead, he got tired of the preaching and left of his own. And I never thought about the gun. I should have left it at home, I realized later. We all grow, right?

 

So instead of a gun I used the sword of the Spirit, and it cut him just right and he left. We won the day using only faith in God.

 

If we trust Him, if we say we have faith, why rely on our strength of arm?

[HappyChristian]

Why do you (generic) lock your doors?  If you don't, great. If you do, you're not trusting God, you're trusting the lock.

[JerryNumbers]

I believe there's many hear if someone were to smite them on their right cheek if at all possible they would knock them down or worse, never turning their left cheek to them. Turning you other cheek to them is not self-defense.

 

Mt 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

 

Lu 6:29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.

 

In light of the Holy Scriptures its difficult to teach defense.

 

1Pe 3:9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.

 

1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

 

Ro 12:17,18,19

Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.  If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.  Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

 

Pr 24:29 Say not, I will do so to him as he hath done to me: I will render to the man according to his work.

 

Of course these ways are not the American ways, far from it. We've seen to much Hollywood & it prejudices us against the Bible & God's way..

 

Pr 25:21 ¶ If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:

Pr 25:22 For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.

[Invicta]

Here is an interesting story: in the Book of Ezra, Ezra is given a huge amount of gold, silver, etc, for the house of God. The problem being, they had to carry it all there, through possibly dangerous lands, with robbers on the roads, and get it thee intact and safe,  Simple solution: since the king is being so gracious, seek an escort, to get there safely, an armed entourage. Be a good steward, right? What does Ezra do? (stop me if you've heard it):

 

               "Then I proclaimed a fast there, at the river of Ahava, that we might afflict ourselves before our God, to seek of him a right way for us, and for our little ones, and for all our substance. For I was ashamed to require of the king a band of soldiers and horsemen to help us against the enemy in the way: because we had spoken unto the king, saying, The hand of our God is upon all them for good that seek him; but his power and his wrath is against all them that forsake him. So we fasted and besought our God for this: and he was intreated of us" (Ezra 8:21-23) 

 

   In most minds, of course Ezra would have been wise to seek armed guards to bring the treasures of the house of the Lord safely back to Jerusalem. But instead, he was more concerned over seeming that he had no trust in the God he claimed would protect His own. Where would be the faith? So instead, they fasted and prayed and sought direction from the Lord, and arrived safely in Jerusalem, not one farthing less.

 

   We say we trust in God, yet we seek the arm of flesh to protect us. If the Lord doesn't want us dead, no one can kill us, nor any of our family. If he wants one dead, no amount of guns and bullets and knives and such will change it.

 

  When my wife and I were dating, she called me from her farm and told me that there was a man there who was a friend of her dead husband, a drug dealer, who was trying to put the moves on her, now that she was single. So, I admit, I straped a gun to my hip, put on a trench coat and went out there. However, I ignored the gun, and spent about 20 minutes preaching to him. Now, I wish I could say he got saved, but instead, he got tired of the preaching and left of his own. And I never thought about the gun. I should have left it at home, I realized later. We all grow, right?

 

So instead of a gun I used the sword of the Spirit, and it cut him just right and he left. We won the day using only faith in God.

 

If we trust Him, if we say we have faith, why rely on our strength of arm?

Farthings?  I remember them but I didn't know you had them in America.  A farthing was one 960th of a pound.

[irishman]

Why do you (generic) lock your doors?  If you don't, great. If you do, you're not trusting God, you're trusting the lock.

 

I figured that someone would come up with this question, and figured it might be you.  Locking the door is a deterrent, BUT THE PROWLER IS STILL LIVING WHEN HE LEAVES!

 

A motion detection light often works too.  The worst case scenario is not the norm, but the eager to kill "defender" will take it to the limit.

 

Why don't all these gun toters start killing Muslims, after all, they are no worse than Canaanites worshiping a false god and all.

How about blowing up a mosque?  that should stop the trouble before it starts.

 

By the way, I own 3 handguns and two rifles and a shotgun, but I do not wish to carry for protection; if I can't protect my family without a gun, I ain't much of a man!

[JerryNumbers]

I don't play with rattle snakes, but if one trys to strike me, My machete will work well on its head.

 

Your a mocker & HappyChristian applauds you. Amazing at the many mockers that's hangs out around here who will mock anyone they disagree with.

[JerryNumbers]

I figured that someone would come up with this question, and figured it might be you.  Locking the door is a deterrent, BUT THE PROWLER IS STILL LIVING WHEN HE LEAVES!

 

A motion detection light often works too.  The worst case scenario is not the norm, but the eager to kill "defender" will take it to the limit.

 

Why don't all these gun toters start killing Muslims, after all, they are no worse than Canaanites worshiping a false god and all.

How about blowing up a mosque?  that should stop the trouble before it starts.

 

By the way, I own 3 handguns and two rifles and a shotgun, but I do not wish to carry for protection; if I can't protect my family without a gun, I ain't much of a man!

 

True! Locks only keeps the honest man honest so I've been told.

[wretched]

I think the better question to ask is whether anyone has killed before and had the thought of seeing them before the Great White Throne one day realizing you put them there and not a soul among us will care in that day why we did it. Now that is what we should think about all the time.

 

 

Some confuse acting American is acting Christian and it is not anymore. God used King James to start this country for the spreading of the Gospel to the uttermost but for absolutely no other reason. We are hardly serving His purpose anymore and the way it is going may end soon.

I used to think our country would play a part in standing with Israel in the great battle but I no longer think that. The base defiler leadership we have been getting may pit our country against her that day.

[swathdiver]

There are many scenarios that we imagine, and a lot of "ifs", but while quoting scripture, lets not forget our Lords words when he told Peter to put away his sword, after cutting off malchus' ear, Mat 26:52  "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

 

No one has mentioned that one have they?

 

 

Yes, that verse has been mentioned.  

 

The bible says we're to rightly divide His Word.  There are different commands given to the OT Jews, During Christ's Ministry on earth and Paul gave us Christians.  

 

Let me be clear to those reading and participating in this discussion.  If I come upon an aggressor abusing a victim, deadly force would be the last resort.  I'm not some 20 year old kid that can fight for hours anymore, I'm fat, disabled and out of shape and will use those tools at my disposal to protect innocent lives and lastly myself.  That is not hateful, evil, vengeful, etc.  

 

Romans 12:18 - "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."

 

Sometimes it's not possible.  Maybe I'm wrong, maybe not, but Jerry, I will consider and pray about the verses you put forth.

 

Romans 12:18 - "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."

 

I've told this before but it bears repeating again.  When I was a boy in government school I was picked on and attacked constantly for a time.  I would not try to engage, would turn my other cheek and get that one struck too.  I would try to run away and would be run down and stomped on.  I lived peaceably as much as liethed in me, but then it was time to defend myself and so I did.  Now there was real peace between me and those boys in government school and I was never attacked or picked on again.

[irishman]

Swath, I understand where you are coming from, I might do the same thing under the circumstances, but that doesn't make it right.  Wretched's last post should cause us all to think when a man (or woman) stands before the Great White Throne, and judged there, will I be the one that put him/her there?  I know, their sin put them there, but If I killed them, do I stand to be reproached for it?  I think so.

 

It's easy for the proponents of this thought to pull scriptures out of the air, and give gory, and fantastic details of crimes committed, but what is the chances that any of them would happen to any of us?  I figure that if anything happens to me, the Lord allowed it, and if He allows it, somehow I'll take it..  That is the attitude that got me through many "sticky" situations, one of which I told about in another thread (or maybe it was earlier in this one.

 

By the Way, "rightly dividing" still leaves much to the person to decide what is rightly divided, and what is not.  I know that's a term you like to use.

[HappyChristian]

Your a mocker & HappyChristian applauds you. Amazing at the many mockers that's hangs out around here who will mock anyone they disagree with.

There was nothing mocking in what he said. It was actually funny.  You mock constantly, but it's done in a different way.

 

It's okay for you to make comments like this: 

 

 

I believe there's many hear if someone were to smite them on their right cheek if at all possible they would knock them down or worse, never turning their left cheek to them.

Pure assumption and disdain.

 

 

Irish, owning a gun is as much a deterrent as a locked door. Actually more of one, because locks can be picked and doors can be broken down.  It is a truth that many a crime is deterred when the criminal knows there are guns present or when they see one pointed at them - MOST of the time without the trigger being pulled.  If you can't protect your family without a gun you aren't much of a man (if you don't want to use a gun to do so, don't use one!)?  Wow.  When my Dad was weakened by cancer, he wouldn't have been able to fight off an attacker. But he could still pull a trigger if the need required.  And he was a great man - and one of the godliest I've ever known.

 

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You guys don't want to have a gun, don't have one (in yet another repeat). But you are completely unscriptural to try to make someone who does carry feel like they are a sinner.

 

I'm done with this conversation.  Have a good day everyone.

[swathdiver]

Swath, I understand where you are coming from, I might do the same thing under the circumstances, but that doesn't make it right.  Wretched's last post should cause us all to think when a man (or woman) stands before the Great White Throne, and judged there, will I be the one that put him/her there?  I know, their sin put them there, but If I killed them, do I stand to be reproached for it?  I think so.

 

It's easy for the proponents of this thought to pull scriptures out of the air, and give gory, and fantastic details of crimes committed, but what is the chances that any of them would happen to any of us?  I figure that if anything happens to me, the Lord allowed it, and if He allows it, somehow I'll take it..  That is the attitude that got me through many "sticky" situations, one of which I told about in another thread (or maybe it was earlier in this one.

 

By the Way, "rightly dividing" still leaves much to the person to decide what is rightly divided, and what is not.  I know that's a term you like to use.

 

Point 1:  I do not see it as being wrong and don't think that way, every man/woman of sound mind is personally responsible as to whether they go to hell or not.  

 

Point 2:  It has already happened to us, it will likely happen again.  Many women in our family and friends and church family have been abused, it's disgustingly common.  It's easily 1 in 4 and I have 4 ladies in my home.  The military plans for all manner of things.  It's not paranoia, it's prudence or contingency planning.  Some say, hope for the best, plan for the worst.  While I draw breath, I'm not going to let it happen.

 

Point 3:  Funny thing, I started using the term shortly before my buddy handed me this book: http://rightlydivided.com/

[Musician4God1611]

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