Where did Jesus go when he died, hell burning with fire or paradise?

[mbkjpreacher]

Where did Jesus go when he died, hell burning with fire or paradise? 

[OlBrotherDC]

2 hours ago, mbkjpreacher said:

Where did Jesus go when he died, hell burning with fire or paradise? 

According to the conversation with the thief on the cross he went to Paradise. 

³⁹ And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

⁴⁰ But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

⁴¹ And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

⁴² And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

⁴³ And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Luke 23:39-43

 

[SureWord]

I always assumed he went to both places. To hell to preach to the spirits in prison and to paradise (i.e. Abraham's Bosom) to lead captivity captive.

[Martyr_4_FutureJoy]

10 hours ago, mbkjpreacher said:

Where did Jesus go when he died, hell burning with fire or paradise? 

It seems that finding out won't be 'easy' to do.   Tradition has overcome KJV Scripture in many ways.

For example/ to research/ seeking:  Unauthorized example from online search of opinions on the topic:

"... ...  ... referring to what the majority of Christians believe about heaven and hell. Almost all of what most Christians believe about heaven and hell come from Dante and pop culture.

Case in point: “hell” never occurs in the Bible at all. There is Sheol, Hades, Gehenna and Tartarus (mentioned once), all of which are sometimes, erroneously, translated as hell."

 

[DaChaser]

11 hours ago, mbkjpreacher said:

Where did Jesus go when he died, hell burning with fire or paradise? 

Jesus went to hades, and took back with Him those from OT times saved by God!

[DoctorDaveT]

This question requires a discussion of sheol/hades and what happened following the crucifixion. [Sorry of this post seems long; trust me, I'm condensing to get to this....]

1. Prior to the crucifixion, sheol (Heb word from OT)/hades (Greek word, equivalent to sheol from NT) was the place of the departed. Jesus describes this place with a great gulf fixed between the righteous ("Paradise") and wicked side ("Hell") in the story of Lazarus in Luke 16.
2. Immediately following the crucifixion, Jesus went into sheol and "lead captivity captive" (Eph 4:8-10). This is when Jesus took "Paradise" out of sheol and all of the righteous were taken to Heaven, God's abode.
3. Sheol is now only the place of the departed damned.
4. Someday, sheol will be emptied out, never to be repopulated. At that day, all of those inhabitants will stand at the Great White Throne Judgment, and will be cast eternally into the Lake of Fire (Rev 20:11-15).

With that in mind, did Jesus burn in Hell?

1. Was His death on the cross enough to purchase eternal redemption? Heb 9 says "yes."
2. Did He have to burn in hell for our redemption? Heb 9 suggests "no."
3. Was He in hell, preaching to spirits in prison? IPe 3:19 says "yes" (if "prison" means "hell")
4. But with the above understanding of hell/sheol, preaching in hell/sheol doesn't require fire.

While I recognize we may not all agree with this answer, No, Jesus didn't (nor did He have to) burn in Hell. Leading captivity captive, He went to Paradise.

[Jim_Alaska]

2 hours ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

It seems that finding out won't be 'easy' to do.   Tradition has overcome KJV Scripture in many ways.

For example/ to research/ seeking:  Unauthorized example from online search of opinions on the topic:

"... ...  ... referring to what the majority of Christians believe about heaven and hell. Almost all of what most Christians believe about heaven and hell come from Dante and pop culture.

Case in point: “hell” never occurs in the Bible at all. There is Sheol, Hades, Gehenna and Tartarus (mentioned once), all of which are sometimes, erroneously, translated as hell."

 

Using my Bible program I count 54 instances that specifically mention hell in the KJV. When someone writes that a word, such as hell, has been "erroneously translated", my mind puts them in the category of KJV translation correctors.

It has always amazed me that there are people who have the audacity to presume to "correct" or "know better" than the original translators.The usual result of this kind of thinking ends in the numerous "versions" published in an effort to correct The KJV, which needs no correction.

[Martyr_4_FutureJoy]

Is the original Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic words acceptable or not acceptable then ?

And, perhaps,  regardless of which word is used,  including "hell",   as long as it is understood,  there is no problem, right ?

[Jim_Alaska]

If the writer states that a word has been "erroneously translated" he indicates that it has been translated wrongly, therefore cannot be understood as it is written.

[DaChaser]

4 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Using my Bible program I count 54 instances that specifically mention hell in the KJV. When someone writes that a word, such as hell, has been "erroneously translated", my mind puts them in the category of KJV translation correctors.

It has always amazed me that there are people who have the audacity to presume to "correct" or "know better" than the original translators.The usual result of this kind of thinking ends in the numerous "versions" published in an effort to correct The KJV, which needs no correction.

Many times they should have translated hell as Sheol! It meant in the ground, down below...

[Kleptes]

22 hours ago, SureWord said:

I always assumed he went to both places. To hell to preach to the spirits in prison and to paradise (i.e. Abraham's Bosom) to lead captivity captive.

I agree SureWord. 

Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

Luke  23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Ephesians 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 

Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Ephesians 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Ephesians 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

 

[Jim_Alaska]

7 hours ago, DaChaser said:

Many times they should have translated hell as Sheol! It meant in the ground, down below...

Like I said above; KJV Translation Correctors.

[John Young]

8 hours ago, DaChaser said:

Many times they should have translated hell as Sheol!

"Hell" is an English word, "Sheol" is not. It is a Hebrew word transliterated into roman letters from Hebrew letters. If it was translated into English then the correct English word would be "hell".

[OlBrotherDC]

On 7/1/2020 at 12:36 AM, SureWord said:

I always assumed he went to both places. To hell to preach to the spirits in prison and to paradise (i.e. Abraham's Bosom) to lead captivity captive.

I see no problem with the KJV saying Hell, let the Bible say what it says. The problem to me is when we attribute OUR understanding of what Hell is. We do know that people who died before the cross went there. Luke 16 says...

¹⁹ There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

²⁰ And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

²¹ And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

²² And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

²³ And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

²⁴ And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

²⁵ But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

²⁶ And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

²⁷ Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

²⁸ For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

²⁹ Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

³⁰ And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

³¹ And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

We know Lazarus died(verse 22), we know he went to Abraham's Bosom (Verse 22),

the rich man died(verse 22) and went to hell, where he was in torment (verse 23)

But, where he was he could see Abraham and  Lazarus, (Verse 23) who were not in torment  (unless one thinks Abraham was not justified which is nonsense) The two sides of this place were separated and one could not physically travel from one to the other (verse 26) 

I think sometimes we think of the lake of fire mentioned in Revelation 20:14 as "Hell". The lake of fire is the eternal place of torment for the unsaved, and since death and hell were cast into it(Revelation 20:14), the place in mention with Lazarus and the rich man cannot be this final place. 

[DaChaser]

9 hours ago, John Young said:

"Hell" is an English word, "Sheol" is not. It is a Hebrew word transliterated into roman letters from Hebrew letters. If it was translated into English then the correct English word would be "hell".

Cults and others have read that use of Hell as being the standard meaning of place of judgement, but the real meaning was the grave!

10 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Like I said above; KJV Translation Correctors.

There are certain areas where it should be!