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  1. What do Christians believe and what do liberals believe. Christians believe in God the father of Jesus who is also God, where as liberals believe in God, allah, maybe Jesus, no God exist, or there is something that is greater than us. etc. Christians believe that aborting a baby within the womb or out of the womb is murder, where as liberals say that abortion isn't murder it is a decision of the woman. Christians believe male and female can marry, where as liberals believe male to male and female to female marriages are normal. Christians believe that the Churches and other Christian organizations should help those who are hungry, naked, in prison, with there own money and charities, where as liberals believe that the government is the one who should help those who are hungry, naked and in prison, by taking money from others to help others. Christians believe that a man is a man and woman is a woman, where as liberal believe that transgender is normal. Christians believe that God more important than creation, where as liberals believe that creation are more important than God. Christians believe that marriage relationship is to one other person and single is to be a virgin until married, where as liberals that are married live as if they are not married and that non married live as if they are married and that premarital sexual activities are not sinful. This list is just a portion of what each believe. So when you look what each believe, how can one as a Christian still vote for a liberal. Some say that these Christians vote because they don't know what liberals really stand for. Are they deaf or blind? I am pretty sure most things that liberals believe, Christians have an out cry for. You can't watch liberal news and not know what they stand for or even conservative news, who show what the other side is doing, and still be ignorant of what is happening.
  2. It is amazing how some preachers like Steven Anderson can turn people from a true belief in Jesus Christ with out work, but with work. Repentance isn't turning from sin, it is turn to the LORD. Why do we turn because of conviction by the Holy Ghost and then and only then can we truly turn to God and believe on Jesus Christ of whom the God Father sent. The only work that I know is the work of God the Father. John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? John 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
  3. I agree SureWord. Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Ephesians 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Ephesians 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? Ephesians 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
  4. Ravi Zacharias Died this morning he was age 74. Ravi Zacharias died of cancer on May 19 2020
  5. I believe that Eve did add to the word of God. Whether it was deliberately or not, she did add to the word of God. Genesis 2: 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. The Lord God word is then reiterated when Adam hides from the presence of the Lord God because he was naked. God does not mention anything about touching the tree. Genesis 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? As pointed in an earlier post 2 Timothy 2:14. Eve was in the transgression and supports what is told in Genesis chapter 3. The difference between Eve and Adam was that she was deceived and Adam was not deceived this also supports Genesis chapter 3. This is also the first instance of the blame game. Adam sounds like because God gave him the woman it was part of the problem. 2 Timothy 2:14 Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Genesis 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Adam was the head of the house and because he was married to Eve and cleaved to her they were one flesh. The eyes of both were opened after Adam ate because of his position as the husband. It also explains why they were both called Adam by God. Adam gives Eve her name. Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. Don't get me wrong even though Eve was in the transgression it is because of Adam's transgression that sin and death came into the world. Thank God for the second Adam. JESUS CHRIST! Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. Romans 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. so much more righteousness and life by Jesus Christ Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
  6. Amen Jerry. Jesus did go to hell and preached unto those who died during Noah's flood. 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
  7. God is the judge and He is a jealous God. What Paul is referencing is in Numbers 25 as John Young pointed out. This is in reference to the children of Israel committing idolatry and fornication in the land of Moab. There is one in particular,along with his men, joined himself to Bealpeor. This kindled God's anger. God then tells Moses to hang all the heads of the people and hang them up so that Gods anger will be will be turned away from Israel. So Moses commanded the Judges of Israel to slay every man that was joined unto Baalpeor. The other incident that followed was that a man of Israel brought in a woman that had the plague. One of Aarons sons slew both the man and the woman with a javeline. He pierced the woman through the belly. This killing was to stop the plague from spreading any further, and 24,000 died of the plague. 1 And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. 2 And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. 3 And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. 4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel. 5 And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baalpeor. 6 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 7 And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand; 8 And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel. 9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand. 10 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 11 Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, hath turned my wrath away from the children of Israel, while he was zealous for my sake among them, that I consumed not the children of Israel in my jealousy.1 12 Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace: 13 And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel. 14 Now the name of the Israelite that was slain, even that was slain with the Midianitish woman, was Zimri, the son of Salu, a prince of a chief house among the Simeonites.2 15 And the name of the Midianitish woman that was slain was Cozbi, the daughter of Zur; he was head over a people, and of a chief house in Midian.
  8. I agree truth is lost in the modern translations and they are that of the devil. I believe the word "enmity" is the "it" that bruises the head of the serpent (Satan). Satan's hatred is towards the seed of the promise which is in Jesus Christ. You can see the enmity(hatred) even today among the different ungodly religions. Also these newer translations as subtle as they can be in translation, remember the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made, shows enmity between their false truths and that of the Truth of the Word preserved in the King James Bible.
  9. Peter is talking about the mount of transfiguration. Which is written in three Gospels of the Bible. So in this case it holds just as much validity because it is recorded in the Bible three times and by three different writers. Matthew 17 :1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, Matthew 17 :2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. Matthew 17 :3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Matthew 17 :4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. Matthew 17 :5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. Matthew 17 :6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. Matthew 17 :7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. Matthew 17 :8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. Matthew 17 :9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. Mark 9 :1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. Mark 9 :2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. Mark 9 :3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. Mark 9 :4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. Mark 9 :5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. Mark 9 :6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. Mark 9 :7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. Mark 9 :8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves. Mark 9 :9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead. Luke 9 :28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. Luke 9 :29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. Luke 9 :30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: Luke 9 :31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. Luke 9 :32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. Luke 9 :33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. Luke 9 :34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. Luke 9 :35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. Luke 9 :36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen. Even Luke writes about it. Who started this thread to make it an issue anyway?
  10. When I say present. I mean he wasn't walking around with Jesus Christ or was within the same area as Jesus Christ. I believe he was present or alive during Jesus's earthly ministry. I'm am just showing that he writes as if he was present with Theophilus and he wrote the rest of the narrative as if he was not present with the apostles as a witness. Now in the way he wrote in chapter 16, it shows he was present with Paul through some of Paul's gospel journeys. I know Paul was converted when Jesus Christ personally contacted him on the way to Damascus. Could Paul have taught Luke about Jesus Christ's ministry and resurrection? As I said Luke could have been a jew or he could have been a gentile. I am not making an argument on whether or not Luke was chosen by God. He was chosen by God to write both books or I wouldn't be quoting him from the Bible. I am not saying it is significant whether he is a jew or not. If he is a jew will I look at his books with a frown? Absolutely not. If he is a gentile will I look at his books with a frown? Absolutely not. There isn't enough evidence for anyone to say for certain he was a jew. Look at the title of this post and read the body of what posted. Did I make the argument? Or did I just simply make a point to show otherwise?
  11. I color coded words to make a point to show that I would have to disagree with everything that has been said that Luke had to be a jew. Here are the words used to convey such an argument to portray him as a jew. Jew, and those of the circumcision. I believe Paul separates Luke and Epaphras, Demas, Nymphus, and Archippus from "of the circumcision", namely Aristarchus, Marcus, and Justus. Colossians 4 :10 Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas, (touching whom ye received commandments: if he come unto you, receive him;) Colossians 4 :11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. these only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. Colossians 4 :12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God. Colossians 4 :13 For I bear him record, that he hath a great zeal for you, and them that are in Laodicea, and them in Hierapolis. Colossians 4 :14 Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you. Colossians 4 :15 Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house. Colossians 4 :16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea. Colossians 4 :17 And say to Archippus, Take heed to the ministry which thou hast received in the Lord, that thou fulfil it. Colossians 4 :18 The salutation by the hand of me Paul. Remember my bonds. Grace be with you. Amen. The brown words are the present or first person narrative, whereas the blue words are the past, away from, or third person narrative I believe that Luke separates himself as well, at least from the physical ministry of Jesus Christ and apostles shortly after the Resurrection. When you read the narrative of Acts you will notice it starts off as a first person narrative to Theophilus, in the introduction. Then immediately changes to a third person narrative until chapter 16, after Paul lands at Troas and after he see the vision of a man from Macedonia, it then changes to a first person narrative, and then finally back to a third person narrative, within the same chapter, when Paul and Silas are put into custody and then released. Why is it written that way, or is it a mistake? Acts shows that Luke was not with them in the upper room, nor counted with the 120, he doesn't even put himself in amoung those where were with Jesus Christ even in this chapter, nor was with them at the day of Pentacost in Acts 2. If by the argument given, that becaise Luke had "perfect understanding" and “from the very first” proves he is a jew or was there with them at the time of Jesus's physical ministry. Why wasn't he chosen amoung Justus and Mathias to be numbered with the eleven? The reason one was chosen is to have been a witness with them of the resurrection of Christ as stated in verse 22 below. Even verse 21 says they accompanied them during Jesus ministry. Acts 1 :1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Acts 1 :2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: Acts 1 :3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: Acts 1 :4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. Acts 1 :5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Acts 1 :6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? Acts 1 :7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. Acts 1 :8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1 :9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. Acts 1 :10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Acts 1 :11 Which also said, ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Acts 1 :12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey. Acts 1 :13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. Acts 1 :14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren. Acts 1 :15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,) Acts 1 :16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. Acts 1 :17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. Acts 1 :18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. Acts 1 :19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood. Acts 1 :20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. Acts 1 :21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, Acts 1 :22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. Acts 1 :23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. Acts 1 :24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, Acts 1 :25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. Acts 1 :26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles. Acts 2 :1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. Acts 2 :2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. Acts 2 :3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. Acts 2 :4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2 :5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Acts 2 :6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. Acts 2 :7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? Acts 2 :8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Acts 2 :9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Acts 2 :10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Acts 2 :11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Acts 2 :12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? Acts 2 :13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. Acts 2 :14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: Acts 2 :15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. Acts 2 :16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Acts 2 :17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Acts 2 :18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Acts 2 :19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: Acts 2 :20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: Acts 2 :21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Acts 2 :22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Acts 2 :23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Acts 2 :24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. Acts 2 :25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Acts 2 :26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Acts 2 :27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2 :28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. Acts 2 :29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Acts 2 :30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; Acts 2 :31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. Acts 2 :32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Acts 2 :33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Acts 2 :34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Acts 2 :35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. Acts 2 :36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Acts 2 :37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Acts 2 :38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2 :39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2 :40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Acts 2 :41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Acts 2 :42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. Acts 2 :43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. Acts 2 :44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; Acts 2 :45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. Acts 2 :46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Acts 2 :47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. This third person narrative ends briefly in Acts chapter 16. Starting in verse:10 a first person narrative begins and ends on verse 18. The third person narrative picks up again on verse 19 and continues through to the end of the book The Acts. Acts 16 :1 Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: Acts 16 :2 Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium. Acts 16 :3 Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek. Acts 16 :4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem. Acts 16 :5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily. Acts 16 :6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, Acts 16 :7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not. Acts 16 :8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas. Acts 16 :9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us. Acts 16 :10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them. Acts 16 :11 Therefore loosing from Troas, we came with a straight course to Samothracia, and the next day to Neapolis; Acts 16 :12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days. Acts 16 :13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither. Acts 16 :14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. Acts 16 :15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us. Acts 16 :16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: Acts 16 :17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. Acts 16 :18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour. Acts 16 :19 And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers, Acts 16 :20 And brought them to the magistrates, saying, These men, being Jews, do exceedingly trouble our city, Acts 16 :21 And teach customs, which are not lawful for us to receive, neither to observe, being Romans. Acts 16 :22 And the multitude rose up together against them: and the magistrates rent off their clothes, and commanded to beat them. Acts 16 :23 And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely: Acts 16 :24 Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the stocks. Acts 16 :25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them. Acts 16 :26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed. Acts 16 :27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled. Acts 16 :28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here. Acts 16 :29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, Acts 16 :30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? Acts 16 :31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Acts 16 :32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. Acts 16 :33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. Acts 16 :34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house. Acts 16 :35 And when it was day, the magistrates sent the serjeants, saying, Let those men go. Acts 16 :36 And the keeper of the prison told this saying to Paul, The magistrates have sent to let you go: now therefore depart, and go in peace. Acts 16 :37 But Paul said unto them, They have beaten us openly uncondemned, being Romans, and have cast us into prison; and now do they thrust us out privily? nay verily; but let them come themselves and fetch us out. Acts 16 :38 And the serjeants told these words unto the magistrates: and they feared, when they heard that they were Romans. Acts 16 :39 And they came and besought them, and brought them out, and desired them to depart out of the city. Acts 16 :40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into the house of Lydia: and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed. If Luke was amoung them after they were released from prison, why then does he not continue with a first person narrative when Paul and Silas depart from the city? From this point on the third person narrative continues to the end of The Acts. The book of Luke starts out as a first person narrative much like The Acts, and immediately turns to third person narrative through to the end of the book of Luke. It is pretty clear that Luke was not with the twelve during the ministry of Jesus Christ in this narrative as well. Luke 1 :1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Luke 1 :2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; Luke 1 :3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, Luke 1 :4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed. Luke 1 :5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. Luke 1 :6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. Luke 1 :7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years. Luke 1 :8 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course, Luke 1 :9 According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord. Luke 1 :10 And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense. Luke 1 :11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. Luke 1 :12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. Luke 1 :13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. Luke 1 :14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. Luke 1 :15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. Luke 1 :16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. Luke 1 :17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. Luke 1 :18 And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years. Luke 1 :19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings. Luke 1 :20 And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season. Luke 1 :21 And the people waited for Zacharias, and marvelled that he tarried so long in the temple. Luke 1 :22 And when he came out, he could not speak unto them: and they perceived that he had seen a vision in the temple: for he beckoned unto them, and remained speechless. Luke 1 :23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house. Luke 1 :24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying, Luke 1 :25 Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men. Luke 1 :26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, Luke 1 :27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. Luke 1 :28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Luke 1 :29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. Luke 1 :30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. Luke 1 :31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. Luke 1 :32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: Luke 1 :33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Luke 1 :34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? Luke 1 :35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Luke 1 :36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. Luke 1 :37 For with God nothing shall be impossible. Luke 1 :38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. Luke 1 :39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda; Luke 1 :40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth. Luke 1 :41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: Luke 1 :42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. Luke 1 :43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? Luke 1 :44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. Luke 1 :45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord. Luke 1 :46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, Luke 1 :47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Luke 1 :48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Luke 1 :49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. Luke 1 :50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. Luke 1 :51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. Luke 1 :52 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. Luke 1 :53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. Luke 1 :54 He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy; Luke 1 :55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever. Luke 1 :56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house. Luke 1 :57 Now Elisabeth's full time came that she should be delivered; and she brought forth a son. Luke 1 :58 And her neighbours and her cousins heard how the Lord had shewed great mercy upon her; and they rejoiced with her. Luke 1 :59 And it came to pass, that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child; and they called him Zacharias, after the name of his father. Luke 1 :60 And his mother answered and said, Not so; but he shall be called John. Luke 1 :61 And they said unto her, There is none of thy kindred that is called by this name. Luke 1 :62 And they made signs to his father, how he would have him called. Luke 1 :63 And he asked for a writing table, and wrote, saying, His name is John. And they marvelled all. Luke 1 :64 And his mouth was opened immediately, and his tongue loosed, and he spake, and praised God. Luke 1 :65 And fear came on all that dwelt round about them: and all these sayings were noised abroad throughout all the hill country of Judaea. Luke 1 :66 And all they that heard them laid them up in their hearts, saying, What manner of child shall this be! And the hand of the Lord was with him. Luke 1 :67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, Luke 1 :68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, Luke 1 :69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; Luke 1 :70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: Luke 1 :71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; Luke 1 :72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; Luke 1 :73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, Luke 1 :74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, Luke 1 :75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life. Luke 1 :76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; Luke 1 :77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Luke 1 :78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, Luke 1 :79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. Luke 1 :80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel. In the end all I am trying to show. Is that one cannot make an argument fool proof that Luke was a jew or was present during Jesus Christ's ministry. He could have been a jew, but no where does it say he is a jew. Nor does it say he is a gentile, even though it could hint to it in Colossians. There are far more blue words than brown ,which shows the bible is clear he was not present with the apostles either during the physical ministry of Jesus or after His Resurrection. Not even up to or before Paul "the late bloom apostle" landed in Troas. He sure doesn't put himself with Paul after he leaves the city and through out the rest of the book either. At any rate are we not all counted with Abraham's seed after we are born again? Galatians 3 :24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Galatians 3 :25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Galatians 3 :26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3 :27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Galatians 3 :28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3 :29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
  12. Donald hit it on the head for the meaning of Easter. Easter celebrates the resurrection of Jesus Christ. According to Paul the resurrected Christ proves he will come back or. else our faith is in vain, we are yet in our sins, those who are dead in Christ are perish, and we are in jeopardy every hour. Jesus Christ's return is our Hope. Jesus will come from the east. Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 1 Corinthians 15 :1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 1 Corinthians 15 :2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 1 Corinthians 15 :3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Corinthians 15 :4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Corinthians 15 :5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 1 Corinthians 15 :6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 1 Corinthians 15 :7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 1 Corinthians 15 :8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 1 Corinthians 15 :9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 1 Corinthians 15 :10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 1 Corinthians 15 :11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed. 1 Corinthians 15 :12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 1 Corinthians 15 :13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 1 Corinthians 15 :14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 1 Corinthians 15 :15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 1 Corinthians 15 :16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 1 Corinthians 15 :17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 1 Corinthians 15 :18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 1 Corinthians 15 :19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 1 Corinthians 15 :20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1 Corinthians 15 :21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 1 Corinthians 15 :22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15 :23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1 Corinthians 15 :24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15 :25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 1 Corinthians 15 :26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 1 Corinthians 15 :27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 1 Corinthians 15 :28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15 :29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? 1 Corinthians 15 :30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? 1 Corinthians 15 :31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 1 Corinthians 15 :32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. 1 Corinthians 15 :33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. 1 Corinthians 15 :34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. 1 Corinthians 15 :35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 1 Corinthians 15 :36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 1 Corinthians 15 :37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 1 Corinthians 15 :38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 1 Corinthians 15 :39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 1 Corinthians 15 :40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 1 Corinthians 15 :41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 1 Corinthians 15 :42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 1 Corinthians 15 :43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 1 Corinthians 15 :44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1 Corinthians 15 :45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 1 Corinthians 15 :46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1 Corinthians 15 :47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 1 Corinthians 15 :48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15 :49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15 :50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Corinthians 15 :51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1 Corinthians 15 :52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Corinthians 15 :53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15 :54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 1 Corinthians 15 :55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 1 Corinthians 15 :56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 1 Corinthians 15 :57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 15 :58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
  13. ​I believe that only those in Christ, dead or who remain, will hear the shout of the Lord with the voice of the archangel and the Trump of God as stated in 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Another indication is in Revelation Chapter 20. Revelation 20: 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.1 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Take note of verses 4 and 5. It shows two resurrections. One called the first resurrection and the other called the second death.Those verses seem to indicate that only those of the first resurrection heard Christ. It also says blessed and holy are those who hath part in the first resurrection and further states, "On such the second death has no power." I believe Paul clears this up in 1 Corinthians 15. Also look at verse 11 of Revelation 20 to the end of the chapter. I do not see of the second death called but rather given up from the sea, death and hell, standing at the Great white throne judgment, and ultimately cast into the lake of fire. 1 Corinthians 15: 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.1 2 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.3 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed. 12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? 30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? 31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.4 32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.5 33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. 34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. 35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?6 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord. This whole chapter is about the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Paul is explaining to them that if we believe only that Jesus lived in this life and he didn't rise again, Christians are of all men miserable and that our preaching is in vain. That if Christ didn't rise we are still in our sins. And those that are dead in Christ are perished. This coincides with 1Thessalonians 4 when Paul wrote about those that are dead in Jesus. Do no sorrow not even as others that have no hope. And even says If we believe that Jesus Died and rose again that even those who sleep in Jesus, God will bring with him. Nothing will prevent them that are asleep in Christ from rising. Why? Because they have the Hope of Jesus Christ's return. We don't live in jeopardy every hour nor are the dead in Christ perished. It isn't a whisper at all. That shout with the voice of the archangel and the Trump of God falls on deaf ears of the lost.
  14. He didn't wanted to be foresaken or separated from God the Father.
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