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OlBrotherDC

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  1. It seems to me that your theology teaches that the blood of Christ was not a necessary piece of salvation for OT believers. If the OT believers went to Heaven without it. Do you still submit that salvation has been the same for everyone for ever? Except some not knowing as much about the details?
  2. The reason I consider them two sides of one place is because they can see each other and communicate back and forth, but can’t cross to the other side. I suppose I am ok with saying two different places? Right next to each other..
  3. This is not what the reformers taught about the Holy Spirit, but that rabbit hole is too deep for me. God Bless you, Dachaser!
  4. I would not use the word "saved" to refer to OT believers before the cross. I do believe however that they were "justified" meaning that they would be "saved" when Christ completed the finished work that God started before the foundation of the world on the cross providing a way for us to be reconciled to Him. I believe the scriptures teach that they were in a place called Abraham's Bosom awaiting the time when they would be "saved". I understand that my position is not the most popular position today. However, I do think if you hold to covenant theology which you yourself have claimed to do,
  5. I see no problem with the KJV saying Hell, let the Bible say what it says. The problem to me is when we attribute OUR understanding of what Hell is. We do know that people who died before the cross went there. Luke 16 says... 19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, tha
  6. That would depend on your definition of saved, do you believe OT believers were “saved” before the cross?
  7. I wasn’t quoting you, I was quoting DaChaser, I haven’t seen your post.
  8. After reading your previous posts regarding Calvinism, I would expect nothing less from you!
  9. I missed the “How“ or “Who” in your answer.
  10. According to the conversation with the thief on the cross he went to Paradise. 39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. 40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in
  11. Curtis Hutson, as a Bible believing Christian, knew that his place in Heaven was secured by repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ and the blood He shed for our sins when He died on the cross of Calvary. Brother Smith is with the Lord Jesus Christ right now, but do you know, with 100% assurance, from God's Word, that you will be with Jesus when you die? This came from www.earnestlycontending.com/KT/bios/curtishutson.html Judging from the word repentance being used in this, either himself or the person who wrote it does not believe that repentance is a work. Ta
  12. So your out soul-winning, and someone asks you "How" and "Who" selected the Canon of Scripture. Whats your first thought?
  13. I didn’t say it had no relevance. I said I wouldn’t pull my doctrine from it.
  14. I hope my disclaimer that was included with it softened the blow. On a positive note. Here is something we can wholeheartedly agree on. !!
  15. You share many of their views in regard to salvation being the same throughout all history. That’s what brought that up. Wasn’t any personal shot. Didn’t mean to offend.
  16. I would assume that any two people, one holding to covenant theology which I believe you do at least to an extent, (and I could be totally wrong there and I apologize if I am), and one who holds to dispensationalism, as I do. Will have some very strong disagreements fundamentally. I do, however wish you the best and hope that God blesses you and your ministry.
  17. I would contend that Hebrews wasn't written for the Church Age as far as doctrine.
  18. I appreciate and respect your views. You are correct it does look like I worded some stuff weird earlier, I understand the focus of the belief is on Christ and his finished work through the death, burial, and resurrection. I appreciate your patience in pointing that out. I disagree that there is only one gospel, ( I believe there is at least 2, probably 3) but I know people have spent decades arguing these two sides and I doubt we will figure it out here so I don’t know if it’s worth getting into a whole other deal over And people usually start pointing fingers and name calling. I do
  19. I would also like to take a second to say, even though we disagree on some things, I really appreciate everyone taking the time to have this conversation. I hope God blesses you.
  20. How much then does someone need to know to be saved? It sounds like your saying that one need not know the death, burial, and resurrection to be saved which Is the Gospel that Paul preached.. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he w
  21. I have no doubt that Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness, but the object of this faith was not the Death, Burial, and Resurrection of Christ like ours is today. I am not questioning in any way that faith in God's revelation in the appropriate dispensation is the means by which we are saved and have always been saved. Was Abel saved by his Faith in Christ? By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. Hebrews 11:4
  22. I do believe they received all of these things we received, I just don't believe they received it in their life on Earth in the same manner as we do. They could not be cleansed until the cross, eternal salvation wasn't finished until Jesus said, "It is Finished". John 19:30 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 3:13
  23. Where did Abraham and David go when they died?
  24. Abraham was an Old Testament believer, though not a believer like we are today, since the Death, Burial, and Resurrection that provides the means for our salvation today had not happened and was not revealed before Paul. The Disciples did not even understand that Jesus was to be crucified and rise again, Luke 9:45, Luke 18:31-34, Luke 24:6-11, John 2:18-22,John 20:8-9, Matt 16:21-23 is a pretty good example that the disciples did not understand salvation the way we do today, because it wasn’t revealed to them yet, Paul brings it in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4. The object of the OT believers
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