Time Period of Dinosaurs

[1Timothy115]

I don't see why so much time has been spent on this thread.

Heat=effort+energy. Refocus your effort to consume your energies and get fired up for souls.

[heartstrings]

I know, man, but stuff like this just bugs me....

"God is the speaker in the narrative that describes behemoth in Chapter 40 as being of enormous size, with bones like iron and a tail like a cedar tree. The leviathan in Chapter 41 has terrible teeth, scaly skin, and the ability to breathe fire. Sounds like a dinosaur to me.

Surely the evidence is clear--dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time, just as it says back in Genesis!"
John D. Morris, Ph.D. President of the Institute for Creatrion Research

Excuse me?......"a tail like a cedar tree"? Is that what the word of God says? I don't think so. When you leave a word out, you change the meaning, and the Book of JOB does NOT say the tail was LIKE a cedar tree: The Word of God says it "MOVETH like a cedar" And how does a cedar tree move? Ever watched a tree in a good stout wind? Usually swings back and forth doesn't it? You KNOW good and well it does. Once again, pay attentrion, the WOrd of God says MOVETH like a cedar. Here you go...

Now I don't KNOW for sure it was an elephant, but I've read that there were elephants in the middle east, namely Syria, about this time. And we know that elephants have powerful trunks (nose} that could tear up a snare. They love to hang out around water, lays down in the shade, drinks alot, eats lots of grass and has very powerful bones, Those are facts. And furthermore, an elephants testicles(stones) ARE INTERNAL. Is that what the Bible means by "wrapped together"?

[Crushmaster]

Sir (Heartstrings),
You're a gap theorist, correct?
God bless,
Crushmaster.

[Jerry]

I don't see why so much time has been spent on this thread.

Heat=effort+energy. Refocus your effort to consume your energies and get fired up for souls.

No offense - but why should Biblical truth not be worth contending for? AND, why can you reply to this thread and it be alright, but somehow wrong for others to participate in? That sounds like a double standard. If you personally do not have time to get caught up in doctrinal issues, then you don't need to read those threads - but it is important to others.

[anime4christ]

Heartstrings, what empirical evidence can you give for the gap theory? A theory with absolutely nothing to back it up is not a theory, but a hypothesis. A theory has to have some evidence for it. Once a theory is proven, it is then called a law. "Fact" is a null word in the scientific process of forming a law from a hypothesis (hypothesis -> theory -> law); hence why evolutionists love to use the word so much ("the fact of evolution", not law).

[heartstrings]

Sir (Heartstrings),
You're a gap theorist, correct?
God bless,
Crushmaster.

Before I answer that, I would like to know your full definition of "gap theorist". Fair enough?

[1Timothy115]

No offense - but why should Biblical truth not be worth contending for? AND, why can you reply to this thread and it be alright, but somehow wrong for others to participate in? That sounds like a double standard. If you personally do not have time to get caught up in doctrinal issues, then you don't need to read those threads - but it is important to others.

I sense a lot of love in this room.

[Jerry]

About as much love in my post as yours, maybe more as I am attempting to speak the truth in love, not just sidestep difficult issues (which I hope you would not do as well). You are entitled to your opinion, but don't be upset because others disagree with you.

[Crushmaster]

Before I answer that, I would like to know your full definition of "gap theorist". Fair enough?

Certainly, sir.

Someone who believes in a gap of time between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis 1.
God bless,
Crushmaster.

[heartstrings]

Certainly, sir.

Someone who believes in a gap of time between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis 1.
God bless,
Crushmaster.

Well then, by that definition, I am not;
Because I do not "BELIEVE in a gap of time". I suspect that there could be a gap of time there, but it is not a "belief" of mine.

Things I believe.......
Jesus was born of a virgin, did many miracles, died for our sins, rose again, is seated at the right hand of the Father, Salvation is by grace thru faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, He is the way the truth and the life, salvation is eternally secure, Milk is white, grass is green and Fried chicken is good, and I can no more prove that the gap theory is a fact than anyone else can prove that a behemoth was a dinosaur.

[Jerry]

The descriptions of both Behemoth and Leviathan in the book of JOB certainly fit what many know of dinosaurs, regardless of whether you are willing or unwilling to label them as such. They are not creatures that we see now, nor were they elephants, hippos, rhinos or anything like that - those animals just do not fit the descriptions. Either way, they were both created on the sixth day, as was man - just FIVE DAYS (or four days for Leviathan, if it was included in the description we see in Genesis 1:20-23) AFTER THE CREATION OF THIS PLANET AND ITS ATMOSPHERE - so there was no way they existed prior to that time. Again, as has been stated, there are fossils in Arizona or New Mexico of man's footprints alongside those of dinosaurs - they lived at the same time - created within 24-48 literal hours of each other species.

[John81]

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest there was any gap. Why look for one? The Bible is very clear with regards to creation and both archeology and history agree with Scripture.

Fanciful speculations and attempts to fit various things into Scripture that simply are not there falls into the category of vain imaginations; which Scripture tells us to cast away.

There are a plethora of extra-biblical notions regarding aspects of creation, extraterrestrial beings, the course of history and a host of other things. Folks attempt to insert these vain imaginations between texts or twists texts to support their vain imaginations.

None of this is profitable or edifying. Trust what Scripture says, OBey the Word and follow Christ.

[Jerry]

Absolutely, John! The one thing that bugs me most about anyone entertaining the theory or possibility of a Gap Theory is that there is absolutely NO Biblical evidence ANYWHERE that even suggests the possibility - it is something someone must be determined to bring in from outside the Bible. They won't do that with traditions and teachings from cults and false religions - why do they insist on doing that with the creation accounts. The only two passages they can run to are from Isaiah and Jeremiah - referring to future judgments, not past creation. If God wanted us to believe there was a time gap - He would not have deceived us by writing it the way He did. He meant what He said - six literal days and everything physical and nonphysical that exists in our universe was created in those six days (ie. angels, and man and animal species, etc.).

[Crushmaster]

Well then, by that definition, I am not;
Because I do not "BELIEVE in a gap of time". I suspect that there could be a gap of time there, but it is not a "belief" of mine.

Things I believe.......
Jesus was born of a virgin, did many miracles, died for our sins, rose again, is seated at the right hand of the Father, Salvation is by grace thru faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, He is the way the truth and the life, salvation is eternally secure, Milk is white, grass is green and Fried chicken is good, and I can no more prove that the gap theory is a fact than anyone else can prove that a behemoth was a dinosaur.

Very well, sir, let the Word put your mind at ease.
(Exodus 20:11) - "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

(Exodus 31:17) - "It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed."
God bless,
Crushmaster.

[heartstrings]

A huge bull elephant does fit the description of 'behemoth'. If you would care to do a little research, on their physiology, diet and behaviour, and not be so closed minded, you would see this to be true. As to the "leviathan", it's possibly a crocodile....and a crocodile really can be considered a type of dinosaur. Both of these animals once lived in the middle east. But neither you nor I KNOW for certain what either of these animals were do we? Of course not.