Time Period of Dinosaurs

[Bakershalfdozen]

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/human-and-dino-fossils-together

This Answers In Genesis article may not answer your specific question, but it does have a lot of good info for questions about dinos, humans and fossils.

[anime4christ]

Unless you believe we came from apes, it is fair to compare only one species with another.

Example:
There have been found only 30 T-Rex fossils, and none of them are complete:
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/dinosaurs/dinos/trex/Trexfossils.shtml

There have been about 200 Neanderthal fossils found, plus more unfossilized remains. I believe Neanderthals are regular humans, so there are even more human fossils that aren't Neanderthal. So, there are more human fossils than T-Rex. You can look up other dinosaur species yourself if you are truly curious.
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/36560

I specifically skipped Creationist websites so you don't accuse them of being liars. It's just that dinosaur fossils are talked about more often than human fossils. Also, only about 0.01% of fossils are land living vertabrates; 95% are molusks (sorry, don't remember the source): that means clams lived millions of years ago and aren't alive today by your logic. But it doesn't matter: you don't seem to be genuinely curious but just want to argue evolution to us because you want to be on the "safe side" with people. I care more about being on the side of God's Word. I think this is a useless discussion, because you will find yet another "error" in my logic and somehow evolution will still come out true.

[Bakershalfdozen]

Answers In Genesis says the same thing, Anime. 95% of all fossils are water creatures.

[anime4christ]

I hate this phrase, but I'll play the devil's advocate for a minute here:

The AiG link says that all the human fossils found so far are buried in post-flood sedements. That means, with the current fossil record, we can clearly see that dinosaurs lived before humans.

The only conclusion we can make is that humans didn't live before the flood. Not a good conclusion though.

Now let's tear it down:
There is a huge portion of the earth that has not been excavated. The flood happened ~4400 years ago; human remains that are found even in post-flood sediments are often dated as 10k+ years old by evolutionists, thereofre would have to be pre-flood. Unfossilized dinosaur remains have been found as well. Doesn't matter how old they were dated, but the question comes up: which sediments were they buried in?

It all boils down to this: We don't have enough evidence to conclude either way, but the evidence clearly ins't in favor of evolution from a truly scientific standpoint. Evolution and the Bible clearly contradict. The Gap Theory contradicts them both. Who are you going to believe? God? Man's popular opinion? Another man's opinion that fits neither?

[futurehope]

Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created

[Invicta]

Have you ever thought that humans climbed to higher ground while the dinosaurs didn't.

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Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created

[futurehope]

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I'm sorry, I wasn't calling you a fool......

This is the part of the verse i wanted you to get......
Pro 1:22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?


Actually, I seek the truth. And if you say I added to God's Word please point out where. Thanks

[futurehope]

If you add a gap theory into God's word that contradicts everything about His creation, you are adding to and teaching false doctrine. Not intending to attack you personally but the theory and it's creators, though I see that my choice of words more than likely did - for which I appologize, but we must seek His wisdom and not the foolish theories of men.

[Jerry]

The Bible teaches that everything - including heaven and earth, and all that is in Heaven and earth - was created within those six days.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Therefore, angels were not created prior to the rest of creation.

Hebrews 1:13-14 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Hm, angels created to be ministers to mankind - therefore, no reason to create them before He created this universe.

Ezekiel 28 teaches that Lucifer walked in the Garden of Eden BEFORE he fell; therefore, he did not fall before man was created, but after.

Ezekiel 28:12-17 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

And, as has been stated, if there was any sin in all creation before the end of creation week, God would not have called His finished creation, "very good."

[Jerry]

Futurehope, please refrain from calling other people idiots and morons. By all means, refute their arguments - but the Bible clearly teaches we are not to do it through calling people idiots, etc.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Raca means "empty head" - basically, the same as idiot or moron.


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If you add a gap theory into God's word that contradicts everything about His creation, you are adding to and teaching false doctrine. Not intending to attack you personally but the theory and it's creators, though I see that my choice of words more than likely did - for which I appologize, but we must seek His wisdom and not the foolish theories of men.

I have not taught any false doctrine in this thread.
Futurehope......here are the definitions you just posted above.......

without form:

8414.
wht tohuw, to'-hoo; from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain:--confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.


void:

922.
whb bohuw, bo'-hoo; from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:--emptiness, void.

So you don't find it odd that God originally created an earth that was a "waste" and "undistinguisable ruin" in Genesis 1:1? Look up that term 'laid waste" in your Bible.

A 'gap theory' simply THEORIZES that God MAY have destroyed a previous world (the dinosoars) sometime between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2
Please show where I have taught this as FACT instead of THEORY and I will apologize.

[futurehope]

Futurehope, please refrain from calling other people idiots and morons. By all means, refute their arguments - but the Bible clearly teaches we are not to do it through calling people idiots, etc.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Raca means "empty head" - basically, the same as idiot or moron.


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I will be happy to honor this request, however, I will note that heretics is very much a reason to be angry along with adding to the Word. Even Christ overthrew the tables and scolded even the disciples for things that go against Him and the Father. But I will respect your request and bite my toungue when necessary.

[futurehope]

I have not taught any false doctrine in this thread.
Futurehope......here are the definitions you just posted above.......



So you don't find it odd that God originally created an earth that was a "waste" and "undistinguisable ruin" in Genesis 1:1? Look up that term 'laid waste" in your Bible.

A 'gap theory' simply THEORIZES that God MAY have destroyed a previous world (the dinosoars) sometime between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2
Please show where I have taught this as FACT instead of THEORY and I will apologize.

Teaching a THEORY or FACT (in your opinion) that directly contradicts the Word is false teaching whether you like it or not. Dinosaurs were created the same time as all the other beasts - just like God's word says. The fact that God created an empty, desolate, place without form that He intended to form and fill in the coming days is not hard to believe. You could just as easily ask why He didn't just do all of creation on the first day instead of over six days. He had a plan and day one fits right in with the rest -- just the way He planned it............whether you and the rest of the gap theorists and evolutionists like it or not. It's His creation - not yours - and He created it the way he saw fit. I'm sure before He creates anything else though, that He will ask your opinion on what makes sense so that He may align His wisdom with that of the carnal mind.