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  1. No need to try again. You have made it clear that you aren't concerned with truth or rightly dividing the word as you don't believe that context has anything to do with the scriptures. I have done my part to warn the unruly as we are commanded in 1 Thessalonians. You OBviously only seek to live a life of liberal sin and that is your choice. I will not waste any more of my time, but will wash my hands. The losses you will suffer will certainly not be because of lack of warning. I'll just pray that one day you will choose to take God's word seriously and repent of your distortion of it and your false teachings. Feel free to put your last words in, but it won't change what you are doing and God is witness. I'll simply leave you with this one last thought.....and then I will leave: 1 Thessalonians 5 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. It's quite OBvious that gambling and playing the lottery (which is gambling whether you like it or not) is an appearance of evil. Can you justify sin with, "It was mine, so I decided to do whatever I wanted to do with it."?
  2. Now you're stretching it......wow!! Christ was saying that it is not unlawful to pay (or be charged) taxes(that's what "tribute money" is), not that money should not be given to God. They were trying to trip Him up between acknowledging human leadership and acknowledging God......and it didn't work. Just like your attempts won't work here in trying to twist and deceive with the scriptures. Pulling scriptures out and taking them out of context to try to justify sin in your life is just as much sin as what you are trying to justify. In the end, it all leads to loss...and, in some cases, destruction.
  3. If you take it into context and don't skip to what supports your intent, it makes much more sense: Acts 4 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither ° said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34 Neither ° was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need °. 36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, ° (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37 Having ° land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles feet. Acts 5 1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it, at the apostles feet. 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own °? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. 9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. 11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things. Acts 4:32 makes it clear they had nothing that was their own, but held all things in common or together. They didn't hold them as a group of people or as a government or as a cult, but as the Church - belonging to Christ. The punishment was a result of them keeping things back from the Church for themselves and then lying about it. Kind of like keeping money back to buy lottery tickets....... I noticed you did not respond to being saved and belonging to Christ......why?? Surely you're not ashamed to belong to Him and afraid to turn all your possessions over to Him and be a steward of His things......are you??
  4. You take a parable outside it's context and you can make it mean anything you wish. This in no way supports your argument. It's merely a vain attempt to twist scripture to support a liberalistic approach of "I can do anything I feel like with my stuff". The truth still remains: God is the provider. Matthew 6 24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot ° serve God and mammon. 25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26 Behold ° the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? 27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Who provides it?? And...if you are saved, as I presume you claim to be, Christ has bought you and you belong to Him. Therefore, anything that is yours is not yours at all, but belongs to Him. You show me how you can truly walk in the spirit and buy a lottery ticket at the same time and I will show you a misled fool. You can't serve two masters.
  5. Standing firm, I noticed that a few times you stated that the money was "earned" and "hard earned". I think that's the main prOBlem here with the disagreement. You are approaching possessions as something that you (or anyone else) can earn or get on their own. Myself (and OBviously a few others in this thread) believe that nothing is "ours" by our doing, but only because God gave it to us. When that's the case, we don't gamble with what He gives us, but rather seek to be good stewards of that "manifold grace" (yes, physical blessings are what this is referring to). If you have an "extra" dollar, it should be given to God, not the lottery that aides in educating the children throughout this country in the lies and deception of satan's ways. Hope that makes more sense for you.
  6. My house will continue to trust in the KJV for it is the inerrant, true word of God in my language. Thanks for sharing this. Satan will not quit attacking God's Word until that final judgement is completed, so we must always beware of the liar that seeks to destroy.
  7. First off, thanks for the replies. My apologies for the confusion as the title heading was neither intended as a question or statement. I do not question it at all, but firmly believe that the belief that this scripture is not true cannon is a lie of satan to discredit God's Word. I simply used the heading to give an idea of what the topic was without dragging it out. Again, my apologies for any confusion. Annie, thanks for sharing the link, it provided some good historical matter. Thanks for the welcoming back and I will try not to be a stranger quite so long at a time. It's good to see that many of you are still here. God's grace to each of you.
  8. Hi all, I haven't been on much lately (for quite a while actually). Hope everyone is well and blessed in this new year. I had something I haven't heard before told to me this evening and wondered if anyone knew the root of it and the driving force behind the teaching. A gentleman (who claims to be a christian, but is often uttering false teachings - which I am sure he has heard from a number sources) told me this evening that the scriptures found in John 8 versus 3 through 11 are not in the original texts (I am assuming he refers to the TR, but didn't have the time to discuss it further). Has anyone heard this teaching before and, if so, do you know the root of it and why whoever started this teaching would want to discredit this particular portion of scripture? This gentleman also said that the last portion of the book of Mark was not written by John Mark because of the following: 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. 20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. Because all Christians aren't healers and don't speak in new tongues and are immune to poisons, etc., etc. Obviously this is just foolishness in understanding the use of signs, miracles, gifts, and talents. I have heard this before and, after studying, have discarded it as the foolishness it is. As for the first topic though, I haven't heard it before and wonder if you have. I have a couple of different Greek texts online and on my computer (though I cannot read or speak the Greek, but only lean on translation), and each of them contain this scripture and concur the same translation (with minor word changes). Those who know me, know where I stand concerning the KJV and know that I am not entreating this as truth, but rather, that I would like to find out where this teaching is coming from. Any insight would be appreciated. God's grace and blessings in the new year to each of you.
  9. It's been such along time since I've been on OB. Life has been keeping me so busy, but I wanted to take a moment to share with all here the blessing of the past week. We held VBS the past week and had the opportunity to minister to 118 different children from ages 3 to 18. Mind you, our normal church attendance is just over 100, but this morning we had over 200 in attendance for our final program. The most important part of all: we know of at least 10 new professions of faith and acceptance of Christ for salvation!! Praise God for his blessings. We also had several express a great deal of interest in attending our church. God Bless to all. Futurehope
  10. This week I bring up John R. Rice for your comments on his ministry and thoughts concerning his teachings and writings. Most of you know prOBably more about him than I do, so I will simply mention his founding of The Sword of the Lord and he wrote numerous books and booklets throughout his life. He is hailed by many fundamentalists as "one of the greats", yet many have ridiculed him as closed minded and judgemental towards other christians. His staff once reported that during his ministry they received 22,923 letters from individuals who had accepted Christ as a result of reading John R. Rice's books, booklets, or Sermons published in the Sword of the Lord. He went home to be with the Lord in 1980. What are your thoughts concerning the ministry of John R. Rice? Was he one of the most sound biblical scholars and fundamentalists, as hailed by some? Or maybe he was the judgemental and closed minded individual as some have accused? I look forward to your thoughts and comments. God Bless, Futurehope
  11. Dwayner, I think you have done a good jOB with your posts here as well as others. I agree with TRC, it's very difficult for me to understand why people have such a hard time accepting that SoS is about the marriage relationship and the wonderful physical, emotional, and spiritual combinative connection that comes with it (though I can recognize the spiritual parallels which I do agree are important to see). When we think about it, marriage is the very first institution which God ordained for us, yet we fight against the idea that God would adress all aspects of the marriage in His word. Just doesn't make much sense to fight against that. But that's just my two cents. 2Timothy, I look forward to your posts after you finish studying, as I always enjoy and gain from the wisdom God blesses you with. I'll pray that this topic will be no different than those of the past. God Bless to all, Futurehope
  12. Two entirely different contexts here Jerry. It isn't at all to do with the use of the word "breast", but everything to do with the context. SoS is OBviously describing breasts in a sexual manner while these verses you mention are referring to the feeding and nourishing application of the breasts. Totally different and contextually accurate interpretation is key for this discussion.
  13. OBviously this thread is hi-jacked (which I think is great and carrying a good topic of discussion), but I want to point out that with everything that God has made, men will use it to do evil. That said, just because men have used something for evil does not make that thing evil. The reality is that God designed something very good in us and we use it every day if we are even the least bit successful in our jOBs, our relationships, our child rearing, and our being a witness. Psychology is something that is and will be a part of our lives and can either be used for good by understanding and applying it or for bad by foolishly discarding it and pretending it doesn't exist by God's design or by studying it for the intended use of deception and manipulation. Understanding how we feel and think and react and learning how to recognize and overcome our psychological weaknesses through the Lord's teaching is key to becoming better and stronger Christians. It has nothing to do with a "feel good" "I can do anything in and of myself" attitude. It's about learning and growing in the Lord through understanding where we are and where He wants us to be. Also, understanding our past can only aide us in maturing in the future. Just as understanding the beginning and the Law and the prophets only helps us more to understand our Lord and Savior and what He did for us. God Bless, Futurehope
  14. This article is so perversed by an individual with personal agendas and hatred towards other christians he will conjure up any kind of disgusting commentary he can to tear them down. His understanding of psychology and the psychology presented in and by the bible is about as deep as OBama's understanding on how to rightly lead a nation and how to be a christian. But hey, we all have free speech for now, even if it is simply used to polute the air with phalical comments of extreme measures.
  15. Dwayner, good posts. Same to trc and Annie. Jerry and Jerry#s, why is that you are so quick to support commentaries by others, yet deny what is right in front of you in the scriptures? I don't get it. for the most part, you are two of the most biblically sound guys around here, but you are off base on this one. 2 Timothy 2:15, as mentioned by Jerry#s, says to study to show yourself approved.......it's talking about studying the bible, not Spurgeon or anyone else. They are married in the fourth chapter and there are certainly sexual references made in the SoS. The many passages you quoted Jerry, could not be talking about an unmarried couple as the descriptions given are entirely unappropriate for an unmarried couple. God Bless to all and happy studying. Futurehope
  16. Bump....................hoping to get a response for some clarity from Jerry. That aside though, I would certainly like to hear what others think about DOBson according to the questions posed in the OP. God Bless.
  17. Jerry, I am curious where you draw this conclusion that psychology is unbiblical. Please explain, as psychology is no different than studying medicine or studying biology, physics, geology, or a number of other God-given and Creator-based studies. What it seems to me is that you lack understanding in the area of psychology, so you label it as ungodly. I think that is what I am seeing here and I think it is a huge mistake. Maybe you simply don't understand what psychology is, but please look at the definition in my previous post before you respond and please give me some sort of biblical basis for why you believe psychology is unbiblical as maybe one or both of us can grow in this area of understanding, as I am certainly willing to learn and grow where I lack understanding. Thanks and God Bless, Futurehope
  18. It still surprises me at times who the devils grip will set in on and who's eyes will be blinded. It's often those you would never think. We'll be praying for him and thanks for letting us know. Btw, it's nice to see you back around Kevin..............been quite a while for you. God Bless, Futurehope
  19. Praise the Lord for giving you the wisdom to see the truth. There are so many confused Christians out there today who believe in the foolish lies of Satan.
  20. Psychology goes much deeper than the mind and even to the depths of the soul. I think that is why Webster defined it as he did: PSYCHOL'OGY, n. [Gr. soul, and discourse.] A discourse or treatise on the human soul; or the doctrine of the nature and properties of the soul.
  21. Yes, this was aired a lot prior to the election and the sick Americans who have damned our country with what they refer to as a president did not care. This is the kind of people we live and work with everyday. Can anybody really wonder why our country is in the shape it is??
  22. Can you give us some examples here Jerry? Thanks. This very well could end up belonging in another thread, but I'll ask anyway......Do you believe that psychology is anti-scriptural or non-scriptual?
  23. Thanks to all for your thoughts on the late Adrian Rogers. This week, I bring up Dr. James DOBson (known by his friends as "Jim"). He has been hailed as a great christian and psychologist both seperately and coupled in service to Christ. He is one of the most publicly (among both christians and non-christians) known christian speakers and writers and has been praised for his knowledge, wisdom, and insight with family matters. Dr. DOBson has also been ridiculed for being liberally passive on many topics to include his view of the christian home and salvation. Many "fundamentalists" have labeled him as a worker of iniquity and a liberalist. Most recently, Dr. DOBson announced on his radio show, Focus On the Family that he was resigning from his position with the huge ministry which he founded and was not real detailed on where he felt his next calling was. What are your thoughts on Dr. James DOBson, his ministry past and present, and where you think he is headed? Do you like or dislike his teaching and do you support him? I look forward to your responses and God bless to all. Please be respectful not only towards the person of topic, but also the other posters on this thread. God Bless, Futurehope
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