America Today

[candlelight]

 

Um, sorry, but the fate of the world does not rest on America's shoulders. Before the US was built Great Britain was a great nation that controlled the world and sent out missionaries. The world did not end when Britain declined. It won't end just for America either. The only country I can think of that would be significantly impacted is Canada (unfortunately), as a result of our leaders' poor decisions to rely on the US for the processing of our raw resources, and possibly as a result of our having those resources.

 

I appreciate the historic position of the States, and am glad to have them as a neighbor (rather than, say, Iran), but... yeah.

 

 As the Rapture of the saints approches, God will set up a 10 division empire.  Canada, the USA and Mexico will be called "The North American Union."  As of 5 years ago, the NAU has been found on meat products in the USA.  The government has been preparing since the days of George W. Bush.  All countries, in the world, will be set up by God for the Tribulation.  That day is vast approaching, and as America turns toward total apostasy, turning their backs on Israel, the world will go straight in to the End of Days.  The Tribulation, Great Tribulation and Armageddon are next.  Thankfully, all born again Christians will be gone for that horrific time.

[HappyChristian]

Well, considering the $$ America sends to other countries, yeah. Other countries besides Canada would be impacted by America's destruction. *shrugs* The world might not rest on her shoulders, but there are other countries who do depend on her.  She supports many other countries better than she does her own...

[candlelight]

Well, considering the $$ America sends to other countries, yeah. Other countries besides Canada would be impacted by America's destruction. *shrugs* The world might not rest on her shoulders, but there are other countries who do depend on her.  She supports many other countries better than she does her own...

Please see my post above, HC.  It is eschatology made simple.  I have been studying it for 15 years.

[HappyChristian]

Yes, the NAU has been in the works, but actually since the 19th century.  Several different ideas were passed around about it.  NAFTA was the most successful tool to bring it about.

 

I don't know exactly what God has in mind or what He will allow (it's all actually conjecture except what we read specifically in scripture).  The 10 divisions is very plausible because of the 10 horns mentioned.

[ASongOfDegrees]

If there are major good things happening, please share them.

 

 

There was a preacher on the UVA campus preaching today for the students to repent and get saved and nOBody was allowed to stop him.  In early America gospel preachers were more oppressed than they are now.

 

I think we are taking too many things for granted. On the most part we can still worship and serve God in this country without worrying about being beheaded. That's a major thing.

[candlelight]

Yes, the NAU has been in the works, but actually since the 19th century.  Several different ideas were passed around about it.  NAFTA was the most successful tool to bring it about.

 

I don't know exactly what God has in mind or what He will allow (it's all actually conjecture except what we read specifically in scripture).  The 10 divisions is very plausible because of the 10 horns mentioned.

Even, before GWB?  That is interesting.  I didn't know about NAFTA, either.  Thanks for the information.  I do know that when I by packages of meat in the grocery store, I see the "North American Union" on the sticker.  That is a dead give away.

I have been delving into the Book of Daniel, with Nebuchadnezzar's dream.  The ten toes on the brass OBject symbolize the ten nation empire.  Yes, and the ten horns mentioned as well.  

Also, no one has seemed to mention the awesome healthcare in the USA.  I have the Cleveland Clinic Foundation sitting right in my backyard.  Kings and queens from foreign countries come to the Clinic for it's wonderful healthcare.  Many Canadians make the trip, as well.  

[John81]

Actually it just depends upon where one is preaching and who hears it. Men are continually being arrest for preaching on a college campus, in a public park, in front of clinics, etc. Most often they are released and little or nothing is done but the intimidation factor is there and in some instances trumped up charges are filed.

 

As we look around it's clear there is a growing move to force anything close to biblical Christianity inside the walls of churches and out of the public square. That's one of the main goals of the pro-homosexual forces who have fairly successfully targeted many who supported Prop 9 in California. This is why they seek out Christian businesses with the hope they won't serve homosexuals so they can wage another national campaign. A part of this is radical homosexuals invading churches they believe are too outspoken in public against homosexual "rights".

 

The Republican Party has been attempting to push the Christian Right and social conservatives to either give up biblical and moral issues or to quietly sit on the sidelines and vote Republican in silence.

 

The Gospel has always been opposed to one extent or another, just as Jesus said it would, but there is a growing concerted effort to silence biblical Christians and a growing number of secular and watered down Christian churches are joining in on this.

[Arbo]

First off, the American Indians weren't "native", but that hardly matters in the scheme of things.

 

 

 

My understanding is that the word native means "indigenous".  Please explain.

 

I am a bit disappointed that this was ignored.

[ThePilgrim]

I am a bit disappointed that this was ignored.

Speaking of natives and indigenous people, can anybody tell me if this would have anything to do with where different people belong today or not?

Deut 32:7-8

7 Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.

8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
KJV
 

God bless,

Larry

[Miss Daisy]

The preacher on that campus may have been avoiding all language or scripture dealing with homosexuality. Otherwise, I'm sure there would've been a mOB attacking him!

 

I toured a large state university, in top 10, very hard to get into last week, with my daughter and I'd say 60% appeared Asian, 20 % Indian (as in from India), and rest whites but I saw very few blacks. And we toured the whole campus and were divided into majors at beginning of day. Guesstimate of 70% Asian looking left when they called for the engineering college of campus.

[EKSmith]

I think the idea is that those who were called Indians were not originally from here - as was no-one, actually, if you go back to the fact that people were all living in one place in the world at one time. I think calling them Native Americans is kinda silly, really. It harks to political correctness.  

 

They were native in the sense that they were born here. Just as I was (and I have Indian blood in me as well, so I'm covered on that front, too.  )

 

Yes, the American government did do wrong by them. (But before we cry too hard, let's remember they were called "savages" for a reason- not just because they were defending their land.  They killed each other long before the wicked white man came.)  But many of the tribes are getting their revenge - casinos built on reservation land bring in a lot of non-Indian people . Not just for gambling,either (their steak dinners are quite reasonably priced, I've been told). 

 

I don't agree that guns are the only reason Europeans were victor. I do believe that God brought them over here. No, not in the Manifest Destiny idea that the Puritans believed (a new Israel), nor the one that KOB mentioned (stretching from coast to coast). Too much of history shows that God was working. Oh, yes, man did wrong things all along. But God was at work, too. 

 

Yes, slavery was wrong. But, no, the poverty currently prevalent amongst blacks is not related to that. It is due to socialist principles that pervade so many of our inner cities.  There are way too many blacks who have become successful to blame poverty on slavery.  But it's sure easier to do so than it is to teach them to work and expect it from them (anyone, really, not just black people).

 

Totally agree that the underlying prOBlem is good vs evil. Sadly, though, sin is taking a stronghold on America as more and more Christians excuse this sin and justify that one...It's no wonder that Jesus asked if He'd find faith on the earth when He returned...                                                                                                                                   My mothers full Cherokee and I have family that lives on the Cherokee Nation and I know that most of the people OBjected to the casinos being there but it was the leadership that made the discussion to bring the casinos there, to bring in income to a starving people as they claimed, my on last mission visit there the casinos have not helped the people there still poor, but the thugs have gotten richer though, also the Indians had wars with one another just the same as the rest of the world, Yet during the Trail of Tears who was the savages ? from the results of this my grandmother was a slave until she was 15 when my great uncle found her and took away from the white people who owned her.my grandmother lived to be 100 years old and never had any anger nor want for revenge in her heart nor do any of my family, she was thankful that Jesus was her savior.     

[HappyChristian]

My mothers full Cherokee and I have family that lives on the Cherokee Nation and I know that most of the people OBjected to the casinos being there but it was the leadership that made the discussion to bring the casinos there, to bring in income to a starving people as they claimed, my on last mission visit there the casinos have not helped the people there still poor, but the thugs have gotten richer though, also the Indians had wars with one another just the same as the rest of the world, Yet during the Trail of Tears who was the savages ? from the results of this my grandmother was a slave until she was 15 when my great uncle found her and took away from the white people who owned her.my grandmother lived to be 100 years old and never had any anger nor want for revenge in her heart nor do any of my family, she was thankful that Jesus was her savior.     

 

I'm sure that there are many members of various tribes who don't (or didn't) want casinos. It is a sad truth that casinos don't truly  help, and that they usually bring money in for just a few.  Some tribes, however, use the money that comes in for the whole tribe.  Case in point would be the tribe that has a reservation right down from my mother's place. The Jamestown SK'lallam People have a setup in which things help the whole tribe. They have a casino. There is a restaurant there that is separate from the casino so those who don't gamble can feel comfortable going in to eat (that's where I heard the steak dinners were reasonable - I've also been told that the food there is delicious, so it does bring people in).  They also have a gas station/convenience store - at which nonIndian are charged sales tax (something that didn't used to be, but too many people were going to reservations and buying things to get out of paying sales tax).  They are very organized and actively help their people to find jOBs, etc. I have to say that I'm impressed with the way they help each other.  That doesn't mean there aren't some that have fallen through the cracks - likely there are.

 

I totally agree, EK, that the Trail of Tears was quite a savage thing to do to the People. There is no way that I would attempt to excuse the way that the American government treated them.  I'm sorry your grandmother went through what she did - but so glad that she knew Christ!  

[Salyan]

About that NAU thing... I think it completely plausible that there are forces working toward such a thing. I do not see 'North American Union' mentioned in Scripture as being the name or boundary of one of the 10 kingdoms. Therefore, to say definitively that such will be is adding to the Scriptures, IMO.

Good point about America providing aid to many nations. I can see where the removal of that would affect them more than I had considered. Like I said, I do not disagree that the US is currently a major world player, and there would be a ruckus if it fell. However, it is a long jump to say that the fall of America will bring on the end of the world.  

I think what I was originally reacting to was the attitude coming through of 'America is so important. The world just couldn't survive without her.' That is a stereotypical American attitude that I have heard of but not before personally experienced. Frankly, it's arrogant and it stinks.  Y'all have a great country, and you're proud of it. That's great! So do I, and I'm proud of mine. But I do not think that its destruction will usher in the end of time. SWIM?

[HappyChristian]

About that NAU thing... I think it completely plausible that there are forces working toward such a thing. I do not see 'North American Union' mentioned in Scripture as being the name or boundary of one of the 10 kingdoms. Therefore, to say definitively that such will be is adding to the Scriptures, IMO.

Good point about America providing aid to many nations. I can see where the removal of that would affect them more than I had considered. Like I said, I do not disagree that the US is currently a major world player, and there would be a ruckus if it fell. However, it is a long jump to say that the fall of America will bring on the end of the world.  

I think what I was originally reacting to was the attitude coming through of 'America is so important. The world just couldn't survive without her.' That is a stereotypical American attitude that I have heard of but not before personally experienced. Frankly, it's arrogant and it stinks.  Y'all have a great country, and you're proud of it. That's great! So do I, and I'm proud of mine. But I do not think that its destruction will usher in the end of time. SWIM?

Totally - and I knew that's what you meant. But the $$ (and weapons, etc) we give to so many nations sticks in my craw, so it was the first example to come to my mind.      

[candlelight]

About that NAU thing... I think it completely plausible that there are forces working toward such a thing. I do not see 'North American Union' mentioned in Scripture as being the name or boundary of one of the 10 kingdoms. Therefore, to say definitively that such will be is adding to the Scriptures, IMO.

Good point about America providing aid to many nations. I can see where the removal of that would affect them more than I had considered. Like I said, I do not disagree that the US is currently a major world player, and there would be a ruckus if it fell. However, it is a long jump to say that the fall of America will bring on the end of the world.  

I think what I was originally reacting to was the attitude coming through of 'America is so important. The world just couldn't survive without her.' That is a stereotypical American attitude that I have heard of but not before personally experienced. Frankly, it's arrogant and it stinks.  Y'all have a great country, and you're proud of it. That's great! So do I, and I'm proud of mine. But I do not think that its destruction will usher in the end of time. SWIM?

 

Salyan, in the Book of Revelation, it talks about 10 nations, joining the anti-christ, and going after Israel.  This happens in the Great Tribulation.

Also, unless I am blind, which I am not, the NAU is on packages of meat in the United States.  I have seen the label many times over the past 6 or so years.

You might also find that I am a huge critic of my country.  I have been for a long time.  As LuAnne stated, many other countries depend on the USA for their survival.  Canada does not.  You might also note that my parents were Canadian residents when they were first married.  I was almost born in Hamilton, Ontario.  They came back to the USA, but because of the Vietnam War, they would have moved back to Canada, if it would have carried on when my brothers were in their teenage years.  I have also been to Canada numerous times in my life.  I am in no way putting down other countries.  I am stating what it says in the Book of Revelation, about the 10 nation empires.  God will divide up the world soon.