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That's a misrepresentation. No one here is against 'modern medications.' There are plenty of people - even prestigious doctors - who are against this particular vaccine although they are not anti-vaccine in general. Anything like this for which the government lies about the death rate, runs a comprehensive marketing campaign, and begs, bribes or coerces people into participating in is not to be trusted. Get it if you want - but see through their lies and divisiveness. They're seeking to remove our liberties, and turning the people against each other. It's a very effective tool of preventing us from turning against them. That is a good question about the JWs. They refuse blood transfusions, so if they're being consistent, they should likely refuse this. Maybe in 20 years they'll be the only ones left alive.... (j/k... kinda)

It's also of note that it is estimated that only 1% of adverse reactions are reported to VAERS.

You have a short memory. I don't appreciate having words put into my mouth, and I don't appreciate men mansplaining how they think a job they probably never do would work better (i.e. be 'fairer' or 'quicker') - but maybe I misread your intent on that second point. Also, if people aren't being touchy, suggesting they are being so is a great way to make them so. JMHO.

Never said it was every church. Trust me, as someone who’s likely spent more time in church kitchens, when someone needs to be present to watch the ovens, one person is sufficient and more people slow things down (and distract each other by talking). I think there’s a saying about that somewhere…

I agree with that. We’ve had times where there’ll be three ladies setting up in the kitchen - where only one is needed - and Sometimes with children’s church on the other side of the divider. Or men taking long over their mid-service coffee. Adults forget and talk out loud and it was such a distraction to the kids. The fellowship can wait an extra ten minutes after service. With Covid now, our basement fellowship space is service overflow. So now they can’t set up early and have to wait till after the service.

’Find yourself and help yourself live the right life’? ‘All you need to do is trust Christ then life a… blameless life’? I’m not sure it’s just poor wording on your part, but these phrases smack of the false idea of works salvation.

Praise the Lord!! In this crazy, messed up world, it is such a joy and excitement to hear of your faith. I am so excited and praising God for you, brother!

Hi, Tooto! So nice to have you back! I’m so glad you have trusted the Lord in your heart. Remember that trusting God alone for salvation by trusting in the finished work of Christ is ALL you need for salvation. Baptism, while an important act of obedience, is NOT required for your salvation. Being a perfect Christian is not required for salvation. I’m reminding you of this to be sure that you are trusting Christ alone and not any of your own actions or obediences.

Okay, let’s move this discussion to the Covid thread. I think we all went off topic.

The vaccine is the Delta Variant. **spooky music** I don’t know if i think that or not, but it’s likely as not to be true. In any case, Delta is, as follows the normal cycle of flus, less deadly than its early (already not horribly deadly) variants. It’s scaremongering, EM. Don’t fall for it.

Our church fully opened, against government rules, in February. We have seen our attendance explode with people coming from churches who would not let them meet together to worship God. We haven’t masked at all. And yes, we all caught Covid once. And everyone survived. Even the 90 year olds. God commanded us to meet together. Covid is only a nasty flu; the extreme precautions required by governments are not only unconstitutional and unBiblical but completely unnecessary. “We ought to obey God rather than men.” (You used to be quite the pot-stirrer, EM. Now don’t start that again.)

What about the adverse effects incurred by those who take the shot? That's going to increase their health insurance... better increase it for everyone just in case. Furthermore, there has been NO significant research to claim that the covid injection does protect without causing long-term health effects, and insufficient research on the comparative antibody protection of those who have already had covid. https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=415E4DD814F7E534D121FCA96057?stage=results&action=sort&direction=MEASURE_DESCEND&measure=D8.M1 (Take a look at the data for Deaths, Loss of Independence in Personal Activities, and Spontaneous Abortions. Why would anyone risk this who already has antibodies or isn't significantly at risk from Covid - i.e. is under 70 years of age?) Besides, it's apple and oranges. A better comparison would be to see whether companies change premiums for those who don't get regular flu shots, or have had their MMR booster. TBH, it really doesn't matter. This kind of removal of freedom/personal medical choice is a very clear step toward totalitarian/communist government. There's no decent health care under those kind of governments to worry about.

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Did you get unbanned?

In other news, in the "Great" White North, our own personal wanna-be dictator has announced vaccine requirements for federal employees, interprovincial train and all air travel by the end of October. With the closed land border, we no longer have the freedom to leave/move around our country at will. "Show me your papers," anyone?

Isn't that what's always missing with these population control folks? If only they practiced what they preached... they wouldn't be around to harass the rest of us.

Well, that meme picture has about a million variations... I looked it up to try to answer Pr Scott's question above. I can't find that exact meme, but in similar ones, the person at the top is portrayed as just watching while the people below open the gates.

America's founders had the benefit of the principle of human dignity and worth as found in the Bible, and many were also fighting for true freedom of religion (individual soul liberty). The Afghanis don't have that, and their religion teaches much of what the Taliban represents. I wonder if without that Biblical basis, they'll ever have the real impetus to fight. I should talk... look at Canada and the western nations, and how our societies are so freely giving up their liberties for some supposed safety from a nasty flu.

Hey, BB, did you know that it's looking increasingly like it's the vaccinated spreading the new variants of Covid? Countries with higher rates of vaccination are seeing higher spread, while countries with very low rates are seeing very little spread. This leaky vaccine is now the disease.

Hard eye roll. If vaccinations worked, then vaccinated people won’t ‘be in danger.’ If they are in ‘danger’ from mr not being vaccinated, then apparently their vaccination didn’t work. So then my vaccination or lack thereof would have zero impact on them. Logic, BB. Use some.

If vaccinations worked, you wouldn’t have to worry about catching anything from the unvaccinated. if they don’t, what’s the point of taking them? And for a disease with a 99.94% survival rate – if you catch it – and those are official gov numbers - what does it matter? It’s just a nasty flu. How do I know? I HAD IT. There have always been sicknesses in the world. People always pass it on to each other. People do not have the right to ‘not catch something from someone else’, because that’s just scientifically impossible. Neither do they have the right to force other people to live their lives differently because they are afraid. The best cure for this virus is to end the fear. And by the way, I would like others to preserve my freedom as I fight to preserve theirs. That’s the Golden Rule I’m fighting for now.

I just read an interesting article where a Conservative Yukon politician got booted out of the party for supporting freedom of choice for Covid injections. We have a federal election in September - I have no clue which party to vote for. They're all in on this removal of our liberties and freedoms. BB, you do realize that if the right for liberty and freedom of choice is removed, eventually the government will make a decision you don't agree with - and there will be no remaining chance to fight for those freedoms. You better fight for EVERYONE'S freedom of choice now - even those you disagree with - before that freedom is gone for good. I am a staunch patriot, and never dreamed of leaving Canada, but.... anyone want to sponsor a church pianist/organist to escape this country? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me ~ att. to Martin Niemoller

Oh, he’s worse than that. He’s a closet Commie. He’s been heard to say that he ‘admires China’s basic dictatorship.’