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  1. This kind of stuff doesn’t get shared well by the mainstream media, so I was curious to find out what’s happening out there. Covid is being used as an excuse to remove our religious liberties. What measures are/have been taken against churches in your part of the world (and where is that?). The intent of this thread is not to discuss whether or not measures are necessary. Here in Alberta, a pastor in Edmonton was arrested yesterday for continuing to ignore restriction limits. He was charged and released, and will appear in court end of March.
  2. BB, don't set up straw men. Socialism isn't human beings helping their neighbors, it's the government taking your money to feed those who won't work for themselves (mostly the head honchos) in the vain attempt to end poverty. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 2 Thess. 3:10 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. 1 Thess. 5:8 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good... Mark
  3. Quite right. They speak the Queen's English.
  4. I'm sorry, but that's just not a good enough reason to mess with a Bible translation. And your reasoning is just so... modern. If a word seems odd to you because you don't hear it used regularly, then start using it regularly, and it'll soon stop sounding odd. And if you want to remember words better, then you could write the definition in the margin for next time (it's probably not a great argument to suggest you're reading your Bible through so irregularly - not that I can judge!). All the objections above are easily remedied by people simply expanding their vocabulary - which is a perfectl
  5. Those specific examples would not concern me (unless there’s some grammatical meaning to that suffix that I am not aware of). Although it’s pretty easy to understand either way and, IMO, not worth the bother. (I probably still wouldn’t use the new version, because I prefer the more poetic original.) Your issue with ‘rejoiceth’ isn’t that it is an archaic word, though; it is the word form/suffix you would like to change. The root word itself is in common use. And I will say that ‘peradventure‘ is a lovely word still commonly used well into the 20th century - it would be a shame to lose
  6. This. Soooooo much this. There are plenty of words still reasonably commonly used in the English language that any one given person may not know... but that doesn't mean it is archaic! Cue rant on the dumbing down of modern society...
  7. My experience from people who claim not to understand the KJV because it's too 'hard' or 'old-fashioned', is that they object to the thee's and thou's and to the (apparently) big words. I would contend that removing all thee's and thou's for modern pronoun usage would reduce accuracy, and ditto for "simplifying" words. I'd really love to have the OP respond to my query as to examples of the words he would update, and their replacement, to see if my experience holds true. Also, I object to your (earlier) labelling of various of us (assumedly including me, from your indicators) of having
  8. I think you came here with your mind made up already! Can you give examples of words you consider to be archaic, and the words you think may be an appropriate 'modern' replacement? I'm very curious as to whether your suggested updates would be appropriate replacements. Examples of grammar would be welcome as well. Also, how do you purport to appropriately replace the oft-maligned thee's and thou's without losing the distinguishing of singular and plural pronouns that is lost with the common modern usage (i.e. using 'you' for both singular & plural situations)? The word 'a
  9. I would add that I extremely doubt we have any scholars nowadays with the breadth of expertise in the original languages to retranslate at the same level of depth and accuracy. We have also lost manuscripts (both Biblical and otherwise) in the intermediary years that would prevent any new translators from having access to the same breadth of knowledge as the KJV translators.
  10. Why would you need to update anything? The ‘old language’ is still perfectly good English.The fact that modern folks are too lazy to learn the meanings of words is no reason to change the Bible. Save your trouble and buy a dictionary. You’ve hit a bone of contention for me - not so much in defense of the KJV, but in defense of good English. You can’t really ‘simplify’ something without removing the depths of the meaning of the larger words. I think such an attempt, if made honestly to retain the true meaning, would result in unnecessary wordiness and a more confusing text. Also,
  11. No. But when a culture is steeped in false religion, it’s spiritual thoughts will be based from that. And the examples you have weren’t ‘cultures’ (e.g. Arabian, Nepalese), they were religions (Muslim, Buddhist). Just going off the information you provided.
  12. While a rich tapestry of cultures is great for general understanding and cultural diversity (and food!), 'rich spiritual thoughts' from pagan cultures/religions have no place in a Bible class... unless you're explaining what the Bible has to say about those pagan ideas (Eph. 5:11). There can be no true unity in a church except through God's truth. Not saying there won't be differences of opinions, but good doctrine is non-negotiable. Jesus' prayer for the unity of the church is centered on with sanctification through the truth of God's Word (John 17).
  13. Be wary of these books, Bill. Both these authors support so-called Christian mysticism - spiritual formation, as it's called nowadays - which is a dangerous heresy infiltrating our churches! Brother Lawrence was likely influenced by Teresa of Avila. https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/brotherlawrence.htm
  14. That's not a rabbit hole, Bill, that's common sense. I would prefer people behave like adults and avoid sneezing on others. I would also prefer the government stop acting like we are all toddlers who can't be trusted to behave like adults. I hate seeing people in masks - it's dehumanizing and depersonalizing and contributes to the divide the 'powers that be' are trying so desperately to create to distract us from what they're really up to - the removal of our liberties and freedoms. The creation of a communist society worldwide. So all that to say, while I would rather people avoided sneezing
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