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  1. Apparently my brother wants a men's devotional book for Christmas, and my mom is trying to find him a good one! Does anyone have any suggestions?
  2. Just to be clear, my 'full immersion requirement' is not based on consensus. It's based on Scriptural example and the Biblical explanation for the picture that baptism is to provide. Are you able to provide a Scriptural reason to back up your idea of not-fully-dunking? I don't see why they would have needed tanks in their houses... considering the early examples for baptism (John the Baptist, Philip) utilized external bodies of water, I would have expected the early churches to continue with the same example. Hey, i know a church that still uses a lake for baptism, since they haven't got a tank in their rented building. They're located in the Canadian mountains, so it's a tad cold (even in July), but it's very Biblical! That being said, it was not uncommon in the era for villas to have their own private baths (which included several large water basins), so it wouldn't have been out of the question for a wealthy Roman (like Cornelius) to actually have his own thermae. This isn't directly related, but it's a picture I love. This shows the baptismal font in a Catholic building in Rome, San Giovanni in Laterno, commissioned by Constantine. The current font is on a platform in what was original the baptismal pool... back when the building was originally built and they still practiced baptism by immersion! (Not intending to open a debate on catholic doctrine and what's wrong with it/how it's different/Constantine. I just love how this picture shows so clearly that they used to immerse - their little bitty font (okay, it's kind of a big font) is literally located in a swimming pool!)
  3. Forwards or backwards doesn't matter... it's the immersion that matters. And immersion by definition means full coverage. Fully buried, fully raised. Not just the head. I think that's what Dave's getting at. I know some a church that uses a stock tank too small for a full backwards layout... I'm sure they use some kind of crouching in the process, but they still get fully wet!
  4. How many times did Jesus die and rise again? If he died once, then we should be baptized once. To add anything more destroys the picture. Also, I'd really like to see your cemetery if you only bury people's heads...
  5. This is a bit of a straw man... I doubt any here would argue in favour of baptizing babies. The definition of children too young to be baptized can (and is being) debated. IMO, both of the choices mentioned here are equally inappropriate. A church that does not baptize is just as doctrinally in error as one that baptizes babies. 10... what? The difference between catholic and baptist churches is good doctrine vs bad. 5, 10, or 20 are just numbers that mean nothing. I would probably hold toward baptizing children cautiously, and not too young (whatever that means). But let's base this decision on true facts/doctrine and not poor arguments.
  6. (Wow - I'm sorry for forgetting to get back to this for so long!) That's it, in a nutshell - the demonic delusion. It talks about the history of UFO sightings (which date back hundreds if not thousands of years), and note that the descriptions of the UFOs mimic current technology (a shield, a canoe, etc.). UFO light sightings often defy the laws of physics. The 'little grey men' phenomenon was really introduced by early sci-fi movies - aliens were never historically described as such previously. Satan is not creative; he uses the ideas already present in the world. Alien 'abductions' are always horrific, terrifying experiences, often with a sexual component ("The thief comes not but to steal, kill and destroy."). The most compelling part of the book is the same subject that saw the researchers get saved. Basically, they'd noted that alien abductions were reported in every people group, religion, country, you name it - except for people self-identifying as 'born-again Christians'. So the researchers got curious and tried to see if they could find any of these born-again folk who had been abducted. And they did find one or two who reported an experience like an abduction (woken in the night, feeling of weightlessness & leaving the body behind, a malignant presence, etc.) - but when these folks experienced this sensation, they called on the Name of Jesus. And in every case where someone called on the Name of Jesus the abduction experience immediately stopped. One account says that it seemed like the malignant presence gave a grunt, like it was in pain, before disappearing. When you read the accounts like this, the demonic influence is quite apparent.
  7. I would add a note regarding birth control. It's one thing to keep conception from occurring, but another thing entirely to end a life that's already begun. Most commonly available methods of birth control act as an abortionaid either primarily, or in addition to the contraceptive properties. Often they will change the environment of the womb to prevent implantation. The problem with this is that the baby has already been conceived prior to attempting to implant, so preventing implantation forces an abortion. This, of course, is murder and obviously wrong. Do your research carefully!
  8. That would be a good discussion for another thread.
  9. That's not what I meant to say... maybe it was unclear. I meant to say that the dead are conscious/self-aware (as per Lazarus), but not aware of what's going on in the living world (any more than I know what's going on in your house right now - i'm just not there). You're right - people do assume that! But we know that the dead do not go straight to eternal damnation... that part doesn't come until after the Judgement.
  10. Hell/Hades/Sheol are the same thing. 'Sheol' is the old Hebrew word, 'adas' the Greek translation/equivalent, 'hell' the English translation (from Germanic etymology). Psalm 16:10 is talking about Jesus - he went down to Hades (the holding place of the dead before His resurrection, and the remaining holding place of all unrighteous dead until the End). He definitely did not go to the Lake of Fire. In similar fashion, the account of Lazarus and the rich man, taking place as it did before the resurrection, also takes place in Hades (which had two parts; Abraham's bosom being the 'nice' side for the righteous dead). There is torment in the unrighteous section of Hades - we know that from the account of the rich man - and it is likely hot (hell fire?) because the rich man wanted water. However, it is not the same place as the lake of fire, and it is not eternal. Notice that in Hell will eventually be cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:10). The Lake of Fire is part of the second death, while Hades/hell is only part of the first death. My take on Ecclesiastes is that it's talking about the dead in context of what is going on in the living world. The dead have no portion in the living world. They don't know what's going on in it. I don't think this precludes the dead from having consciousness (being self-aware) in the place where they are. I would suggest that just because we have a cultural understanding that hell=the ultimate lake of fire does not mean that is the correct understanding. The unrighteous dead are in Hades now, and will ultimately be in the lake of fire, so I can see where the connection has risen (I wonder whether Mark 9 is referring to this logical progression, rather than a single event). I don't see a disagreement here, and there's no reason to conclude the KJV is wrong.
  11. So... apparently I am off to Israel in February! It's a guided tour, so I won't have much say in where/what to do, but we will have some free time in Tel Aviv & Jerusalem. Have any of you been there before? What suggestions would you have for doing in my free time, or advice on what to bring/wear/watch out for?
  12. My thoughts are that considering the age of the order, and the consistent destruction of opposing books through the Middle Ages, you are unlikely to find that completely unbiased perspective. I would suggest using Wiki and 'reading between the lines'. It'll give you an idea of their basic principles and (whitewashed) structure. What exactly are you looking for?
  13. Nasty time of year to move (if you're still coming from Alaska)!
  14. Regular Sunday services today... was supposed to have a baptism service (second this month!), but it didn’t work out for everyone so it’ll be next week. My Sunday school class took a break from their regularly scheduled lessons in Genesis to do a class on Christians and the government and write Christmas cards to Canadian servicemen overseas. All the kids got to choose the country of destination. Lots of visitors in church this morning to hear pastor’s sermon on transgenderism (ha - sure that wasn’t intentional). I’m trying to get a quick nap in before a senior’s service this afternoon, then back for evening service and a monthly fellowship (i.e. food!) after. The choir is practicing for Christmas, so it’ll be a long evening.
  15. They're (were?) a religious order that followed Benedict's rules. Independent monastic communities, black robes. Not sure what you mean by needing an unbiased description... what other info are you looking for? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_Saint_Benedict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedictines

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