Eternal Security Taught In Hebrews 6

[No Nicolaitans]

Doctrine...

 

A woman told my wife that she would like to find a church that taught the Bible, but didn't teach doctrine.  

 

Uhmmm...the word "doctrine" means "instruction".

 

So she wanted instruction but not instruction.  

[Donillo]

Doctrine = For by grace are ye saved, through faith; and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.

Doctrine = My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. (John 10:27-29)

That is the Gospel. Doctrine is how it is understood or explained.

[DaveW]

2 Tim 3

 16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


God's word is profitable, amongst other things, for doctrine.
Among the other things listed, doctrine is included in what makes a man perfect and furnished to all good works.

Belittle or ignore doctrine at your own peril - without doctrine you can not be made perfect, nor furnished unto all good works.

plain and simple.....

[No Nicolaitans]

Doctrine = For by grace are ye saved, through faith; and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

Doctrine = My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. (John 10:27-29)

 

 

That is the Gospel. Doctrine is how it is understood or explained.

 

Donillo, that's not the gospel.  The gospel is...

 

1 Corinthians 15:1-4

1   Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2   By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3   For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4   And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

[Bro K]

Gospel means Good News. What is Good News; Jesus Saves. Just ask my brother-in-law!!!!!!!   AND   By the way; Amen means So Be It.

[ASongOfDegrees]

No one ,who is saved, will take the Mark. All who take it will be damned. No new form of salvation necessary.

Anishinaabe

ha ha ha! Yeah. You have obese Christians who can't drive past a McDonald's without succumbing to temptation yet you think they'll stand against the Antichrist when he says, "No food for you or you're family unless you take the mark."?

 

The church will be GONE during the Tribulation. There is no more abiding presence of the Comforter. If there is then it would be the church.

[ASongOfDegrees]

 

Donillo, that's not the gospel.  The gospel is...

 

1 Corinthians 15:1-4

1   Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2   By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3   For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4   And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

 

Correctamundo!

 

I can tell you what the gospel isn't. It isn't Acts 2:38 no matter how much someone mangles the verse.

[swathdiver]

I know  several liberals who deride and despise doctrine.  They want to live like the devil and rely on their heartfelt feelings.  

 

Doctrine is ONLY mentioned 49 times in the New Testament and Commandment 82 times.

 

1 Timothy 4:11-16 - "These things command and teach.

 

Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.

 

Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

 

Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

 

Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.

 

Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee."

[candlelight]

There are many other scriptures in God's word, besides Hebrew 6, which talk about Eternal Security of the believer - often referred to as "Once saved, always saved."  

 

"Verily, verily (surely, surely), I say unto you.  He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life,and shall not come into condemenation;  but is passed from death unto life." ~ John 5:24 

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:  28  And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." ~ John 10:27-28

"Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect?  It is God that justifieth.  34 Who is he that condemneth?  It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.  35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?  shall tribulation, or distress or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril or sword (war)?  36 As it is written, FOR THY SAKE WE ARE ALL KILLED ALL THE DAY LONG; WE ARE ACCOUNTED AS SHEEP FOR THE SLAUGHTER.  37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors, through him that loved us.  38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come.  39 Nor height nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." ~ Romans 8:33-39

"And if by grace, then is it no more works:  otherwise grace is no more grace.  But if it be of works, then it is no more grace:  otherwise work is no more work." ~ Romans 11:6

 

"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation:  in whom also after that ye believed,

ye were sealed (confirmed) with that holy Spirit of promise,  14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory." ~ Ephesians 1:13-14

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:  it is the gift of God:  9 Not of works, lest any man should boast." ~ Ephesians 2:8-9

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." ~ Ephesians 4:30

"Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." ~ I Peter 1:5

"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith that he that is holy, he that is true, HE THAT HATH THE KEY OF DAVID, HE THAT OPENETH, AND NO MAN SHUTTETH; AND SHUTTETH AND NO MAN OPENETH;" ~ Revelation 3:7

If a person is truly saved, they are not going to loose their salvation.  They may have doubts of their salvation, and this is called, "Assurance of Salvation."  However, with what swath and others have shown you on this subject, Donillo, your salvation is secure with the Lord Jesus Christ.  If you knew, at a moment in your life, that you were saved by Jesus Christ, then you are His child.  Do you know, without a shadow of a doubt, that there was a time in your life, when you completely trusted Jesus Christ as your Personal Saviour?  I am not talking about head knowledge.  I am talking about your heart.  Have you received Him as Lord and Savior over your life?  If you can answer, "yes" then nothing is going to take God's salvation away from you.  You are His child forever.  As mentioned, you can loose rewards or blessings, in life and in heaven, but a child of God CANNOT loose their salvation.  DO NOT play the game of salvation + works (good deeds).  It is a deadly doctrine.  The Bible is proof that one cannot loose their salvation if they are truly a child of the living God.  God's word says what it says, and means what it says.  There is only one interpretation for God's word and that is Jesus Christ, himself.  However, there are many applications to His word.   
 

[Donillo]

Correctamundo!

I can tell you what the gospel isn't. It isn't Acts 2:38 no matter how much someone mangles the verse.

What's wrong with Acts 2:38?

[Ukulelemike]

ha ha ha! Yeah. You have obese Christians who can't drive past a McDonald's without succumbing to temptation yet you think they'll stand against the Antichrist when he says, "No food for you or you're family unless you take the mark."?

 

The church will be GONE during the Tribulation. There is no more abiding presence of the Comforter. If there is then it would be the church.

Then who are the 'saints' spoken of in Rev 13, over whom the dragon will be given to make war and overcome? And with what are the 144,000 sealed? If I am correct, it is the Spirit that seals believers. And what is the ripe harvest of the earth that Jesus reaps in Rev 14:14-17, just prior to the wrath of God?

 

By the way, speaking as on obese Christian, I hate McDonalds and regularly pass it up. Now, Taco Bell.....?

[John81]

On the matter of doctrine, our pastor sometimes mentions that every so often he encounters one of those who piously proclaim they don't care about doctrine, they only care about following Jesus.

 

Our pastor always asks them how they plan to follow Jesus. Most often they say they read their Bible. At which point our pastor asks them just where they think doctrine comes from.

 

While some walk away still off on their thinking of doctrine, there are some who actually think it through as our pastor leads them to discover the truth themselves so they walk away with a biblical view of doctrine.

[Donillo]

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However, with what swath and others have shown you on this subject, Donillo, your salvation is secure with the Lord Jesus Christ. If you knew, at a moment in your life, that you were saved by Jesus Christ, then you are His child. Do you know, without a shadow of a doubt, that there was a time in your life, when you completely trusted Jesus Christ as your Personal Saviour? I am not talking about head knowledge. I am talking about your heart. Have you received Him as Lord and Savior over your life? If you can answer, "yes" then nothing is going to take God's salvation away from you. You are His child forever. As mentioned, you can loose rewards or blessings, in life and in heaven, but a child of God CANNOT loose their salvation. DO NOT play the game of salvation + works (good deeds). It is a deadly doctrine. The Bible is proof that one cannot loose their salvation if they are truly a child of the living God. God's word says what it says, and means what it says. There is only one interpretation for God's word and that is Jesus Christ, himself. However, there are many applications to His word.

Candle, I will admit that believing as I do regarding Heb 6:4-8 and Heb 10:26, and other verses, I have often doubted my standing in Christ. It has at times hindered my spiritual progress and caused me to focus inward only to find nothing good there. But I cannot see how those verses support eternal security. On the contrary, I see them as severe warnings against willful sin and falling away. If I'm going to heaven no matter what I do, why not "break out the booze and have a ball" to quote a song from so many years ago. Nevertheless I appreciate what you have shared above.
It's ironic that the IFB holds to eternal security but preaches so hard against sinning while churches that hold to losing salvation are not so militant against sin.

[Ukulelemike]

Candle, I will admit that believing as I do regarding Heb 6:4-8 and Heb 10:26, and other verses, I have often doubted my standing in Christ. It has at times hindered my spiritual progress and caused me to focus inward only to find nothing good there. But I cannot see how those verses support eternal security. On the contrary, I see them as severe warnings against willful sin and falling away. If I'm going to heaven no matter what I do, why not "break out the booze and have a ball" to quote a song from so many years ago. Nevertheless I appreciate what you have shared above.
It's ironic that the IFB holds to eternal security but preaches so hard against sinning while churches that hold to losing salvation are not so militant against sin.

Because simply, it is wrong. Paul was even accused of teaching this idea, that where there is sin, grace abounds, so why not sin more, so there can be more grace? He said, God forbid-why should we, who are dead to sin, live anymore therein? That's why we don't. CAN we? Apparently. SHOULD we? No.

 

Its like, if a person could commit the perfect murder-absolutely no way to get caught, does that mean he will? Generally-speaking, no, because most people value human life. Because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you do. It doesn't work in most parts of life, even among the lost, so why should we?

[AVBibleBeliever]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Hebrews was written to Jews in the "last day" (Heb. 1:2) and people during the Great Tribulation, unlike us, will not have eternal security seeing the Holy Ghost no longer seals the individual as we are today. 

 

I know this will be rejected outright as heresy and I know I'm not the only one in this forum who holds this position but it's the only way the passage makes sense because it clearly does state someone who was once saved can lose their salvation and never get it back again. 

 

If a man takes the mark of the beast during the tribulation, be he saved or unsaved at the time, he will go straight to hell.

 

John 6:66- From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

though I agree with you many here are not economy(dispensation) minded as to who the scriptures are speaking to.  In our current economy (dispensation) the church age writings of Paul are to be the standard and all other scriptures is tested by his writings.

 

But that is what you and I believe.

 

others however believe that there are not different economies and that is how they blend the gospels(not the books of the NT bible) but the good news of the Kingdom is at hand, Paul's Gospel and the angelic everlasting gospel.