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  1. I'm on my phone and can't answer in-depth...sorry. The qualifications apply to a MAN...not a child, adolescent, or teenager (in my opinion). That does away with "at any time". The qualifications also are the traits that he is publicly known by...this goes beyond what the man is now...it covers years. Why? Because of how he is known by those not only in the church...but how he is known by those who are "without". It takes a long time for a man to establish his reputation...especially by those who are "without". I know pastors who are popular in my community, but they don't meet the qualifications that God has ordained. Numerous church splits have resulted from these men...hard feelings and bitterness are the results. Many have adopted false doctrine...but they chalk it up to being persecuted...when neither they (nor the churches that elected them) held them to biblical qualifications.
  2. That verse isn't talking about the "gifts and calling" of what God calls men to do...aka...spiritual gifts. If you take it in its appropriate context, it's talking about God's promise to save his people Israel. He "called" certain men (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob) and gave them "gifts" (promises) that will one day be fulfilled. Those are the gifts and calling Paul is speaking of, and God will not repent of them. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. If all scripture is profitable for doctrine, that includes the old testament and when Christ was still on earth before his resurrection and ascension. The issue is that it must be rightly divided. Why did I quote Christ and what he said about divorce? Well...first, because of 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Secondly, because while we aren't under the law, the law DOES show us how God views sin. No man could live up to the law, but God gave them the law to show them that they were sinners. So indeed...the words of Christ do apply. The law is a reproof of man's sin, it provides correction and instruction in righteousness. We may not be under the law, but we certainly can learn a lot from it. If God was opposed to "something" in the old testament, he's still opposed to it. What? Where did that come from? No sir...please read the verses again... 1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. It appears to me that all of the qualifications appear to apply to when the bishop is in office. Naturally, if a man desires to be a bishop, then he should also meet these qualifications beforehand. If we can't use what Christ said when the law was still in effect, why did you say the following... Wasn't he speaking to Israel? Weren't they still under the law? If I misunderstood you, I apologize. However, I still stand by what I said. I notice that you enlarged and made the font bold in one part, but you neglected to do so on what followed. I remember as a child, I would have much rather my dad spanked me as a punishment, because when he would instead talk to me about what I had done wrong, it was more effective. That "hurt" me more than a spanking, because I realized that I not only had done something wrong...I not only understood why it was wrong...but I had disappointed my dad. If you are married, and if your wife ever does anything that goes against God's word or what you (as the leader in your home) have tried to instill for your family...are you saying that you wouldn't even say anything to her about it? I ask because, if you do say something to her about it, you are trying to assert your will over her. You are trying to "bring her back in line". You may not be mean about it. You may not raise your voice. You may do it with love and compassion. However, if you try to assert your will over her, that is a form of punishment.
  3. John, I've read your previous statements on this matter. From reading them, I can "somewhat, but very slightly" see what you are saying and what you're trying to convey (though it isn't really that clear). As you said...there are those who frequent Online Baptist. Unfortunately, they may (or may not) have read your other posts nor understood what you were trying to convey. I have to admit...like DaveW...and despite somewhat understanding your position...my overall impression (from what you have posted) has been that you are a supporter of Anderson. It would help if you would give a definitive answer as to whether you view him as someone that you would recommend to others.
  4. Yes sir. Linux is all that I use. The screenshot above was on a Linux system that I was testing. I've used it on Firefox, Chromium, and Google Chrome. Seems like there was another browser that I used it on (perhaps Midori), and it worked fine on it. Unfortunately, I don't remember for sure what the other browser was...
  5. Okay. Thank you. I understand. However, I hope that you do take into account that the meanings of some English words have changed over time. If you don't want to look at Greek or Hebrew definitions, here's one source that is interesting (and enjoyable) to look over. Robert Cawdrey's "A Table Alphabeticall". It is considered the earliest dictionary...and...it's from the 1600s. It was actually produced a few years before the King James was. Though it's words aren't very large in number, it does give definitions that may have changed over time...especially what some words meant in the 1600s compared to what they mean today. https://extra.shu.ac.uk/emls/iemls/work/etexts/caw1604w_removed.htm I didn't say that I punished my wife. I said that I had to enforce rules. I can't answer for that. You'll need to ask for further clarification from the one who posted it. I will say this though...in my understanding from situations that I'm aware of, the leading cause for why the wife left the husband was due to the husband no longer showing his wife proper love and affection. It wasn't money issues, it wasn't physical abuse, or anything else...it was for a lack of love. I guess God knew what he was talking about when he commanded husbands to love their wives... I'm not saying that is the only cause for why wives leave, but it is a major cause. God allowed divorce for the Israelites because of the hardness of their hearts, but in the beginning, it wasn't so. Now, I'm not claiming that I'm right. I believe I am, but I'm always willing to be wrong. So...this is my view on it... Christ explicitly said in Matthew 19:7-9... 7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. So, according to God, if a man divorces his wife for any reason (other than fornication) and marries another woman, he commits adultery. So, in God's eyes, the husband is bound to his first wife unless the wife committed fornication. Later, Paul addressed the issue in 1 Corinthians 7:15 and added that if an unbelieving spouse departs, the believer isn't under bondage. Therefore, in my understanding, those are the only two biblical reasons for divorce. So, the question arises, can a man pastor who has divorced for biblical reasons? Well, it certainly depends on who you ask. If you ask me, I would say, "No. He shouldn't pastor. Nor should he be a deacon." Yes, God will forgive any sin. Yes, God can still use a man or woman (who is divorced) in mighty ways. However, the qualifications for pastors and deacons are also explicit. They are to be the husband of one wife. If a man is divorced and remarries, he has two wives in God's eyes. The sin may be forgiven, but that doesn't negate the truth that he has two wives. What if he is divorced for one of the two biblical reasons? I would point to the qualifications...the husband of one wife. I know that you don't care for Greek; however, the word "one" in Greek...aside from meaning "one"...also carries the connotation of "first". Now, I've said what I believe about it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong...but I really don't care to go around and around about it any longer. Take care, and don't work yourself to death.
  6. Well, it's still there in the one I just tried. In the screenshot below, do you see what the red arrow is pointing to? That's what you click on in the "Bible view" to bring up the Apocrypha...
  7. I'll install it on another browser/computer and have a look. Seems like I had to click on "something", and that's when I saw the Apocrypha was included. Thank you.
  8. I understand. I hope you will be able to slow down at some point. I have worked like this for over 20 years. It takes a heavy toll on a person...at least, it has done so to me. I sometimes just stay at work and sleep two or three hours on an inflatable mattress, because I would get even less sleep if I went home and drove back to work. Please slow down if (and when) you can. I'm afraid that this is one area that we will probably never agree on. I recall from somewhere else on this forum, that you don't believe in looking at the Greek or Hebrew definitions. I do. I see that at times, by looking up Greek/Hebrew definitions, it will clarify definitions even more. I also see it as another avenue in which to "study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needed not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." In the Greek, "house" and "home" have basically the same meaning; however, "house" is more in-depth and includes those who live in the "house"...which includes the wife. I feel we are running in circles. We both believe the same definition regarding "rule"...the different aspects of it. Yes, I would say that punishment applies to the wife as well; however, how one deals with a wife is far different than how one deals with all of the other examples you gave. Yes, there have been times; in which, I've had to "enforce rules" with my wife. I certainly won't go into details. During those times, it wasn't pleasurable for her nor me. However, I continued to love, provide, and care for her. One can enforce rules without being a tyrant and a bully. One can enforce rules without the attitude of "it's my way or the highway". How is that a political answer? It's the truth. Can you tell us any more about the father than what is revealed in the story? The only indication that I see of him being a good ruler before the incident was that the younger son recalled how well the father's servants were taken care of. We have nothing after the story. So no, I'm not ducking the question nor giving a political answer...I'm answering as honestly as I can. Both sons did not go prodigal. Only the younger son did... prodigal adjective 1. spending money or resources freely and recklessly; wastefully extravagant. 2. having or giving something on a lavish scale. noun a person who spends money in a recklessly extravagant way. Both sons got their inheritance at the same time, but only the younger son went prodigal. The older son didn't go prodigal; however, during that one moment, the older son showed anger, jealousy, and rebellion toward his father. Despite this, the father...rather than punishing him, he spoke to him in love and compassion; which at times, is a much more effective method to "enforce" others with. Well, we can judge by what God's word says about it. We're talking about a man who is in the position of a bishop not being a brawler...not what he did as a child. I was just trying to see how much you relied upon using Old Testament law to justify things. No, I'm saying that God said that. I don't understand it, but that's what it says. (14:a) Turn, O backsliding children, saith the Lord; for I am married unto you: I am - present tense (14:b) and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: I will - future tense 15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding. I will - future tense 16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the Lord, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the Lord: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more. all future tense 17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart. I won't keep underlining things; they're all future 18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers. future So, the context is all future...except for the one part that you're trying to force into the future. Of course I believe that. All three members of the godhead are God, and they are one. Yet, they are also three distinct individuals (or persons). The word "prodigal" isn't in the Bible, but you used the word prodigal to describe the son who left his father's house and lived by wasteful and extravagant spending. I think most people have the wrong understanding in what prodigal means, but the word prodigal does explain the way the younger son lived. So, there was nothing wrong with you describing him as prodigal. At the same time, while those verses that you quoted don't mention the word person, each member of the godhead exhibits the traits that define what a person consists of. There is more to being a "person" than being a human being. Which brings me to Oneness Theology. Since you're unaware of what it is, Oneness theology basically teaches that there is no Trinity; there is only Jesus Christ...no Father, and no Holy Spirit. However, there are some off-shoots of it, that will agree that there is a Father and Holy Spirit; however, they are just different manifestations of Jesus Christ.
  9. According to the law, if the original husband divorced his wife, and she married another man...then her second husband divorced her (or if he died)...if the original husband married her again...it would be an abomination. Is the LORD a sinner? Would he commit an abomination? I believe that you have your timeline of events out of order... The LORD said that he gave Israel a bill of divorce in Jeremiah 3:8, but just moments later in Jeremiah 3:14...after pleading for them to return to him...then the LORD said, "for I am married to you." Divorced but still married...hmmm... Why is LORD in all capital letters? Because it is referring to the Father alone...not the Son, and not the Holy Spirit. Are you a follower of "Oneness Theology"? If the godhead is one (as you seem to be inferring), then why did Christ pray to the Father? He could have just prayed to himself if there is no distinction... Why did Christ say that the Father would send another Comforter after he departed? He could have sent the Holy Spirit himself if there is no distinction. For that matter, why say that "he" would send the Holy Spirit at all if there is no distinction? Who was/is married to Israel? Whose bride is the church? Are the answers different? Christ doesn't have a "Gentile" bride. His bride is made up of both Jews and Gentiles...and he sees no difference between them... The Father had/has a bride; Christ has a bride. The Father divorced Israel but is still married to "her". Christ has never been divorced, nor will he ever be divorced. Yes...the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one. They are one in their attributes and goals. However, they are three separate persons who carry out distinct functions and roles. So...getting back to the first part of this post... If the LORD divorced his wife, and the LORD said (in the law) that it's an abomination to remarry his wife, how can he marry her again?
  10. No one understands crazy work schedules more than I...I won't go into mine other than to say that I can only wish mine were that simple. LOL! That's not meant to diminish his schedule, nor is it meant to lay aside your intervention on his behalf...we all are different, and how we respond...or what affects us may not affect others in the same way. I can only speak for myself, but if I knew that I may not be able to respond for several days (or weeks) to something that I purposely asked of someone else, I would let that be known (out of respect for anyone responding to me) that I may not be able to respond in a timely manner. It's just good manners. ...but that's my view on it.
  11. Thank you salyan...for getting the humor of the last portion of my post. I have actually said that (on several occasions) to my wife. With that said, I don't know why SAB76 hasn't responded to my response to his response of my response to his response. To be honest, I wasn't comfortable sharing "what I would do" (to his inquiry) since I don't know hide-nor-hair of who he is. He hasn't responded. I realize that folks are busy and may not be able to respond in a timely fashion, but it's been several days now. First, I hope he's okay. I hope that his lack of response isn't due to misfortune. Secondly, if he is okay, then shame on him for not responding.Therefore, I have learned a lesson...if anyone (who isn't a long-standing member here) ever asks me such personal details, I will no longer answer them. Instead, I will point them to this post... ...if I can remember and find it. LOLOLOL!!!
  12. My reason for saying that was because I was under the impression that with your emphasis on the word "rule" (in all capital letters), you were looking at ruling as one who is an enforcer of rules and regulations. I never got an impression that you saw it as anything more than that. I would hope that if I found that my wife was doing things that I thought were wrong biblically, I would talk with her and explain why I disagree, and I would assure her that I still love her deeply. I would hope that I would do my best to love her as Christ loved the church and gave himself for it. I would continue to care for her, provide for her, and enjoy my life with her. Most importantly, just as each of us do things wrong every day...but Christ is still there...waiting with open arms...I would hope that my prayers and loving guidance would influence her. If so, I would be waiting with open arms. If not, I would still do what I'm supposed to do...love my wife as Christ loved the church and gave himself for it. I can't tell you; the Bible doesn't say whether he was or not. All we have is that one window into his and his son's lives. In that one window, he was a wise, kind, caring, and compassionate father. EDITED TO ADD: Regarding my wife...I've told her that if she ever leaves me, I'm going with her.
  13. Clayton, If you see this, and if I may ask... Why have you included the Apocrypha in the latest version of your offline Bible?
  14. I feel that your definition of "rule" denotes only the negative aspects of a ruler. Not all who rule are bad, evil, unfair, or serve their own self-interests... Romans 13:3, Hebrews 13:7, 17, 24 God himself has commanded that the wife be in subjection to her own husband. If you want to know how a husband is to rule over his wife the correct, loving, and godly way, perhaps this will help? Ephesians 5:22-33 To "rule" involves more than laying down the law and enforcing it. It involves taking care of those under you, loving them, tending to their needs, protecting them, nurturing them, guiding them, and much more. So yes indeed...if a husband can't rule his own house well (wife included), how can he take care of the church of God? See...God even says what he meant by "rule" in the same verse... (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
  15. I think that may very well be the closest you've come to saying something that is founded upon truth. ...but then again...what do I know? Usn's elderly folks' minds tend to not be very sound'n stuff...
  16. ...and there we have it. It didn't take as long as I thought it would for this guy to show his true colors. He really let you guys have it! At least he only condemned me as an IFB and elderly. LOLOL! Hey wait...seems like the Bible says something somewhere about how to treat the elderly??? Hmmm... Oh well. Just want to let Shootsie know that his diatribes worked; he really put me in my place. I just don't know if I can continue on now or not...I hope the rest of you are stronger than me.
  17. I've been sitting back admiring the posts. We've had some doozies on this board, but I think Shoostie is the top doozie... He pulled the moderator card, but when confronted with his error...crickets were chirping. He pulled the "no evidence" card when evidence was given...countless times. He pulled the "I'm right; you're wrong" card...countless times...but provided no evidence as to why he is/was right other than the "I said so" card. He ignored "the COMMONWEALTH of Israel" quote from DaveW...which makes me wonder if he's familiar with its meaning. He ignores the mountain of evidence against Hovind that's available from Alan and elsewhere. He ignores...well, we get the picture. He's right...because he's right. He doesn't have to prove it; we just have to accept it. Perhaps he's a good candidate for my "Nonsense Church" based on Colossians 2:21? Sorry to be so gruff...but Shoostie is a doozie... Carry on...
  18. The above post (that you made) was directed at DaveW and came some time after the following post that you made in response to Salyan... You must be unaware that Salyan IS a moderator here...she moderated your post, and you responded with disrespect and sarcasm.
  19. I know that he used to be a somewhat "popular" Youth Conference preacher among some IFB churches many years ago. An IFB church that we once were members of (in the mid-90's) tried to get him to come to one of the Youth Conferences. I didn't know he was now in the SBC.
  20. On Saturday, August 10th, 2019...my Dad passed away from this life into the loving rest of Jesus Christ.

    This was also my dear wife's birthday. Though he hasn't known who I was for several years, he still had the same loving and happy disposition as before. 

    I count myself blessed to have been the son of this great man. He was my teacher, my inspiration, and my hero...he was...

    ...my Dad.

    Dear Lord, thank you for allowing me to be his son.

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    2. HappyChristian


      Oh, NoNi - I am truly sorry for your loss, but so thankful you know where he is. And I'm thankful you have the memories that you do.

    3. DaveW


      Hey brother, I will be praying for you.

      Another friend of mine's dad went to be with the Lord last Wednesday - another great saint unrecognised by most, but known by the Lord, a faithful servant of the Lord.

      These are the ones who many never hear about but who faithfully serve the Lord, not for the recognition of men, but for the glory of the Lord. Men like these will hear those words "Well done thou good and faithful servant.."

    4. No Nicolaitans

      No Nicolaitans

      Thank you all.

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