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  1. Eternity is the begining it is from everlasting. From everlasting to everlasting is the time quantum of God, however the 24/7 according to scriptures, God's words on this, is that he established the 24/7 on the first day of his six day work. Gen 1:3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
  2. Gen, God established the 24/7 time encapsulation for man in Genesis 1:3-5. and then placed it in a firmament to which that time works well for man after his creation. God created the 24/7 before he set the sun and moon in revolution around the earth. Anytime existence before that is known in scriptures as eternity, eternal, from everlasting to everlasting. It is said that the high and lofty one inhabits eternity that means from beginning to end (hence the alpha and Omega identification in scriptures) of it this is why he is eternal and why he can be everywhere and know all things. That is because he is the almighty God. Both David and Peter say a day is as of a thousand years. they both speak from within the 24/7 time quantum to express something they did not understand at that time in their earthly existence, which is eternity. I do not deny the existence of a time quantum before the 24/7. But our current time quantum of the 24/7 was established in Gen 1:3-5 on day one of God's six days of work. god's time quantum is from everlasting to everlasting. You will notice in the scripture below, preserved for us in Gods word that the Earth and the World were two separate creations. Ps 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
  3. I do not believe the earth is millions of years old. I believe it is no more than and equality of one day or a thousand years older than Gen. 1:2. Having said that the quote above says, "science is figuring our that there was water on earth before anything else." According to Gen 1:2 water was on the earth before the six day work of God in the beginning of this current world and the creation of man. However Science does not believe there was water on the earth in the beginning. They believe a comet brought building blocks of life and water to the earth. here is a quote from the recent failed comet landing prOBe scientist, "One of the things they are most excited about is the possibility that the mission might help confirm that comets brought the building blocks of life — organic matter and water — to Earth. Again, I believe God's preserved word is true no matter what ANY man, saved or unsaved says, if Proverbs 8 is giving us a correct chronological view from everlasting about the exaltation of the wisdom of God (Jesus being that wisdom), Earth, the depth, the fountains of water, then there was no water on the earth when God first created it. Sometime between the creation of the earth and Gen1:2, which would be between 1 day and a thousand years, iniquity was found in Lucifer and God judged that iniquity by allowing the waters to break forth from its ordained place and flood the earth not killing anything but destroying the throne Lucifer was trying to exalt above God. Thereby bringing sin and darkness into the depths of God's heaven. God solved the resulting darkness by calling for light, establishing the 24 hour time calculus on day one, and stop the darkness from expanding into his holy heaven by placing a firmament around the darkness encapsulating the waters below from those above on the second day. Once done he could move on into his will for this earth which ultimately is for the exaltation of Jesus Christ and the establishment of his throne forever (see Revelation 21-22). No death before Adams sin, no pre-Adamic life, all fossil records are from the flood of Noah, no dust on the moon from billions or millions of years, no deep sediments on the ocean floors from billions or millions of years of erosion.
  4. Boy, if that isn't the truth. I have met more parrots than eagles when it come to the word of God.
  5. Well, then I must come to the conclusion that some of you think it is wrong to ask questions about what the Bible is not clear on. And that some of you feel that everything covering 'from everlasting unto everlasting' is recorded in the Bible. I wish it was so but it is not true.
  6. Like I said if you think from everlasting goes back only to Genesis 1:3-31 six day creation then you have already set a time to what From everlasting is. But if you think in goes back further then you have not attributed any time measurement to it and that leaves open enough room for the things that the OP states to have happened.
  7. it was a Serious Question. you either think "from everlasting goes back to the beginning of the six day work of God Gen1:3-31. or it goes back before Genesis 1:1. What we can tell his throne, his person are from everlasting. Now when I asked how would you as a man attribute a length of time to be for "From Everlasting"
  8. In Addition to Prophets, remarks above, the word "about" is key in understanding that the one seeing the revelation, a man, is the attributing or guessing a time to how long he experienced the silence. This does not mean heaven us under any type of time quantum (measurements). Time only works here on this planet. Even the scientist and sci-fi writers know that.
  9. Well God's word does not tell us when the Cherubim, Seraphim and Angels were created or made. There is no harm in wondering why there was a flood in verse two of Genesis one. I have all I need for life and godliness in the word of God. But the word of God is not a complete history of all things that are found in the third heaven. Like when did he create his chariot wheeled throne seen in Ezk 1 and 10? God's word does say, seek and ye shall find. No harm in that.
  10. Because all of God's abode, now known as the third heaven, was in light and there was no darkness at all in it until the judgement of Lucifer and his angels between verse 1 and verse 2. Then came the Darkness (I believe the Judgement of God on Lucifer), and the Spirit of God (God the Holy Ghost) moved over the waters (vs 2). He (God the Father) called for light (God the Son) upon that arrangement as the darkness already followed the light that was in God's abode, evening which is called the Night was now the first phase of 24 hour day and Day would follow in sequence ON THE EARTH. God's Glory (Light) shined forth over all his abode (vs1), God's judgement (Darkness vs 2), God's grace (calling for light vs 3). This day cycle was set but would be carried on once the sun, moon and stars were made in Verse 14. First day upon this earth in Gen 1:3-5 not one person has argued that.
  11. Do you know why evening is mentioned first?
  12. "when there was only God" who is from everlasting unto everlasting, and 1John 1:5 ¶ This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. I can't believe he created anything in darkness or that Darkness exists in the Third heaven because just like the New Jerusalem with the new heaven one earth in rev 21 there is no darkness because the glory of God is the light of the third heaven. Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. I believe the there is not darkness in the third heaven and there never was any darkness until Lucifer was allowed to be tested and upon his fall judgement went forth and Darkness came from that judgement. What we see by God's word through Cross references is that when we come to verse 2 of Genesis chapter 1 that darkness was the result of the judgement upon Lucifer and the angels that followed him. No argument on my part, it is just my Belief and I do not insist you agree. However you and Dave have been very adamant that I believe the way you do. This is an non-essential issue upon which we are not required to lose fellowship over. try not arguing so much.
  13. The First day's activities are found in Genesis 1:3-5 before there was light there was no day. he called for light because there was none. Verse two said. darkness was upon the face of the deep. Gen 1:3-4 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. God started no other work until light and the the 24 hour division or time quantum (measurement) was established. Day roughly 12 hours and Night roughly 12 hours this made up the first day. Then each days activities are listed out according to Genesis 1:3-31. Now did God need the 24 hour day to complete each stages of the things he made and created? No He listed days for us to comprehend because man knows no other time measurement outside the 24/7 condition.
  14. I in now way have offered a vast amount of time between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2. It would depend on what you mean a vast amount of time to be. If youare saying that vast amount of time is 100,000 years or one million years. I doubt it very seriously. I look at the scriptures and find that there are two indicators preserved in the word for us to be able to put a frame in place for the time period between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2. Ps 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight [are but] as yesterday when it is past, and [as] a watch in the night. 2Pe 3:8 ¶ But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. I would say if we had to place a time on this From everlasting section, it would be one day to a thousand years and not more. In this period of time the Evolutionist cannot make claim that there were hundreds of thousands of years or more and they cannot claim the fossil record are from before Gen 1. I clearly believe that the fossil record is from the flood of Noah. We would all agree that one or one thousand years is not a vast amount of time.
  15. interesting but I was talking to Uke about there being a flood in Gen 1:2. I am rather sure there was a flood on the Earth At Gen1:2 because by God's divine build in cross reference he has supernaturally put in the AV Bible, cross references of words, terms, and phrases. There is an exact phrase in Gen1:2 that is found also Genesis 7:18 and that phrase is "upon the face of the waters". Gen 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. Proverbs 8 puts waters abounding in fountains, not free floating in space around an earth, being made sometime after the earth. That is IF Prov 8:22-24 was preserved chronologically for us in scripture that is why when we see a new earth in Rev 1 there is no sea, because originally there was not water on earth. That is not the only phrase found in Gen1:2 that can be cross referenced so we understand the terms and phrases as what they are and mean. The other is "without form, and void" and like in verse 2 there was no light. It is found in Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, [it was] without form, and void; and the heavens, and they [had] no light. The context here was about Israel but the meaning is clear but it is so eerily similar to Genesis 1:2 it is uncanny. These two cross references give us much insight on Gen 1:2 that we would be wise to connect the references and see that there may well have been a flood before Gen 6-8. And when we see the Spirit of God move upon the face of the waters, we see that something took place just before that, What ever it was it broke forth the waters from their decreed places (the fountains) and placed them in, on and around the earth in heaven. We don't know exactly but there are bits and pieces that let us know it is in connection with Lucifer, a throne and his attempt in the presence of the angles trying to exalt that throne, and the judgement of him and those angels that followed him. We don't have a full story but after that judgement and I believe that is where Genesis 1:3 takes over. I believe there is info missing from Genesis 1:1 to 1:2 because it has to do with something outside the physical realm but one day we will know all that had taken place. The earth was created to exalt Him who was possessed of God from the beginning, the purpose was so that He would have a place for his Throne. In Revelation that purpose finally come to fruition. Lucifer interrupted that but God had it planned out from beginning to everlasting and His will was and is worked out.
  16. yes calenders do differ. So near guess are acceptable here.
  17. Great jOB Uke, you just showed that there is a difference in the words Made and Create.
  18. first of all we were not taking about God's words. we were talking about your interpretation of Prophets words and the communication between him and you. Concerning God's words he has communicated properly it is carnal flesh that cannot understand it. That is why we are commanded to study and rightly divide, the way the Holy Ghost teacheth. I am deeply offended at your immaturity. I will add thee too.
  19. Dave how do you know it is rude when 93% of communication is non verbal and all you are dealing with is the last 7%?
  20. Prophet1 has touched the very essence of the separation of physical and spirit. Our souls and body can now be eternal and will go to one of two places, to everlasting with God and our Savour Jesus Christ or to everlasting fire with the devil and his angles.
  21. I would further add Ps 93:2 Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting. Can we call this Eternity past without asking for scriptures to support it? Can anyone identify the time measurement of Everlasting or Eternity outside our current 24/7 time system? Ps 103:17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children; this would include angels as they are called the sons of God in JOB. Ps 106:48 Blessed [be] the LORD God of Israel from everlasting to everlasting: and let all the people say, Amen. Praise ye the LORD. Isa 63:16 Doubtless thou [art] our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, [art] our father, our redeemer; thy name [is] from everlasting. Hab 1:12 ¶ [Art] thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction. Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: And when was the everlasting fire made? Surely it was not made during the six day work of God. If so it would have been mentioned because it has to do with where men go if they don't truly follow the Messiah, the King who commands they go into everlasting fire. When was this everlasting fire made? conclusion from everlasting, in eternity past.
  22. I have said I BELIEVE they were created "from everlasting" which I further believe is eternity past, which is clearly before the 24 hour day established in Gen.1:3-5 Kind of like Ps 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God I believe this expression is representative of eternity past and into eternity future and encompasses eternity at present. Now you will ask for verses to show it. ps 90 is one. Ps 93:2 Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting. I have shown that I believe the creation of the throne was some time after the he "possessed me" and "or ever the earth was" of Proverbs 8:22 Instead of arguments try getting involved in what is presented in the OP.
  23. I believe that God put things in the Bible for those of us who are a bit more curious to search out. One thing that got me was "when did God create his Chariot Throne"? as first seen in Ezekiel 1. Eze 1:4 ¶ And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. 5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. 6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. 7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass. 8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings. 9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward. 10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle. 11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies. 12 And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went. 13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning. 14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning. 15 ¶ Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces. 16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel. 17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went. 18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four. 19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. 20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. 21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. 22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above. 23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies. 24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings. 25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings. 26 ¶ And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake. Nothing like this is described in the six day work of God. The creatures are not described in the Six day work of God. It does say something in the likeness of the firmament but it is only in likeness not that it is the same firmament made in Gen 1:6-8, the one day, God does not say specifically that he saw it was good. But later in Verse 31 he does say, generally, it is good. This is not a contradiction it is an important truth about God's desire to protect his newly formed creations from His Presence. The fact is that anything that separates God from his creation is not a good thing. It was done because sin had entered this part of the depth of the abode of God and he had to contain it and separate it. He did so by creating an firmament. When was this throne that God sits upon Created? When were these four living creatures Created? When was fire made? This question is important because just after the fall God puts a flaming sword to keep the way of the Garden lest man reach out and take hold of eternal life as they were led to take hold of Knowledge. When were these Lamps made? And why is this rainbow like what we see in the sky, what is it doing here around this throne. These are just a few questions that the word of God generates and there is nothing wrong with seeking things out and asking questions. In doing so I came across Proverbs 8:22-24 A beginning that was separate from the one in Genesis. A set of scriptures many have over looked as insignificant when it comes to understanding if there was anything going on before Genesis 1:1.
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