The Spirit...yearns Jealously?

[heartstrings]

Our Sunday School teacher recently ordered new books which use the "Holman"(HCSB) translation.

 

So this Sunday we were reading through the material and I came across the word "jealously" in James 4:5

⁵ Or do you think it’s without reason the Scripture says that the Spirit who lives in us yearns jealously? ^{(HCSB trasnslation)}

 

 

I wasn't yet going to say anything until someone else noticed that the word "spirit" was capitalized.

This is how the King James reads....

^{James 4:5} Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

 

So I spoke up and pointed out that "envy" and "jealousy" are two entirely different things; God is jealous, but He never envys. Envy is ill will toward someone because they have what YOU want. Jealousy, on the other hand, is great pain concerning something that is already YOURS. Envy is a sin; jealousy is not. It appears that by capitalizing "spirit" and substituting "yearns jealously" they are placing the Spirit of God in place of a sinner. No? I don't like it.

[ASongOfDegrees]

You are right. Perfect example of how the "original languages" were used to change what the word of God says.

[John81]

These odd translations create far more confusion then one could encounter taking the time to learn to understand the KJB.

 

I was reading a book awhile back and the author used an MV in the text, the NIV I think. Anyway, in several places he commented that he believed a word or verse was mistranslated, went on to say why and show with the Greek and comparisons to other uses of that word in the Bible why he believed his translation was more accurate than that in the NIV.

 

Naturally I looked up each of these instances in my KJB and interestingly enough, in EVERY case, the KJB had translated it the way this author said it should have been translated. Which left me wondering why this author didn't ditch the NIV and use the KJB!

[beameup]

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

 

The audience in not the Pauline Gentile Church.  Read these topics in Pauls Epistles.

[Invicta]

 

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

 

The audience in not the Pauline Gentile Church.  Read these topics in Pauls Epistles.

 

 

So we should tear the book of James from our bibles?

[beameup]

So we should tear the book of James from our bibles?

Should you tear Leviticus from your Bible?

It's all about "rightly dividing" the Word.

It's about the Gospel of the Kingdom vs. the Gospel of Grace (Pauline).

It's about the Law vs. Grace

It's about the Gentile Bride of Christ vs. the Adultrous Wife of Jehovah (true Israel).

If you can't distinguish between the two, then you will not have clear pure doctrine...

you will essentially have Roman Catholic doctrine from the 4th Century.

[Ukulelemike]

And both epistles to Timothy were to, well, Timothy. The point is, it is included in scripture because the messgae can apply to beynd just the original adressees. The Epistles were written to specific churches, but the messages were overall profitable to all the churches. So the writings of James to the 12 tribes scattered abroad hols truths aplicable to all Christians. Like the epistle to the Hebrews-it was obviously written to Hebrew Christians: does this mean we can't all benefit from the information.

 

With all this said, I guess some of us are wondering why you brought it up in the first place. It is New Testament Christiaity, and despite the initial intended recipient, all can receive truth from it.

 

Besides, it was clearly writen to Christians of the 12 tribes, which really just makes them Christians. Period. These were probably those of the initial dispersion due to the persecution arising from Stephen's stoning. Christias dispersed and preaching the gospel to others.

[beameup]

The expectation among "the twelve" was that the Lord would return immediately and set up his Kingdom.  This is clear from much of the New Testament.

The revelation of the mystery of the Gentiles was revealed to Paul gradually.  This is clearly reflected in the New Testament, but very few are able to see it.

Being able to "rightly divide" the scripture is a gift from the Holy Spirit.  "The Twelve" remained in Jerusalem continually preaching the Kingdom unto the

Jewish People.  Even Paul went to the synagogues and was continually beaten and thrown out.  It was only after Paul's imprisonment that he was no longer

still trying to reach the Jewish People.  And the "mystery that was hidden from the ages" was revealed unto Paul that God had a special plan for the Gentiles.

 

Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Colossians 1:25-27  Do a search on the word mystery.

[heartstrings]

What does all that have to do with this thread?

[wretched]

Absolutely nothing, but it is good stuff. James and Hebrews are profitable for correct, rightly divided doctrine, reproof and instruction. Very effective for witnessing to Jews in particular but I think the height of confusion for gentile believers to reference in regards to themselves. Gentiles (probably everyone on this forum) have zero concept of the Law and being brought up, taught and forced to obey it and immersed throughout their lives in it.

Those of you that live in the sticks are truly clueless to Judaism, unless you live with and work with Jews everywhere, you will always be clueless. Doc Ach, whom I rarely see on this forum anymore would be the big exception. I bet he understands what days of the week and the washing of pots and hands really means.

[beameup]

Absolutely nothing, but it is good stuff. 

The great majority of "gentile" believers simply don't understand the application to Jews of the Gospels and the Hebrew Epistles during the Tribulation.

They are "for us" (Gentiles), but not "to us".  Without the "template" of dispensationalism placed on the N.T., it is hard to "reconcile" and understand.

I'll stick to Paul, thank you very much.

[heartstrings]

The application to Jews has always always been the same; 

 

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

 

The promised Savior was prophesied way back in the beginning when God cursed the serpent and said that He would "bruise HIS heel". "His heel" being the heal of the Lord Jesus Christ, He alone was the "light of men" and He alone is the "the life"...always has been. He is the "I Am" who spoke to Moses from the burning bush, the one who said "before Abraham was, I Am". He is the same who walked with the three Hebrew children in the fiery furnace.....He was ALWAYS available to the Gentiles as well: Rahab was a gentile Canaanite, Ruth was a gentile Moabite, and Nebuchadnezzar was a Babylonian and I'm sure there were more. No person, absolutely no person throughout history to the present time, JEW or Gentile will get to Heaven and escape Hell without "the way", the only way...Jesus Christ

The Book of James was written to and for the admonition of all believers,. or it wouldn't be in our King James Bible.

 

^{James 4:5} Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

 

That verse applies to Jews, Gentiles, and everyone who still walks around in a body of flesh, it was written to all of us.