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  1. Doctrine Reproof Correction Instruction in righteousness (attributes of God)
  2. Thanks for your comments, but due to the "culture" of that area, I don't doubt that they simply were not aware that they were "sinning" (as hard as that is for us to believe). It seems to me that they were simply "feeding the flesh" (and lusts thereof). To me, there is an obvious omission by the Holy Spirit of the word "backslide/backslider" in the entire New Testament. Now, there is a "command" doctrine of "walking in the Holy Spirit" which, in 45 years in IFB, I have never heard a single "peep" coming from the pulpit on this "doctrine". It's not at all unusual for O.T. (Hebrew) "doctrines" to creep slowly into the Body of Christ. I've even seen the "curses" on Israel applied to the Body of Christ. If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 Sure doesn't sound like the "Gospel of Grace" to me, but how many times have I heard this applied to the Body of Christ?
  3. A concordance search will reveal that the "doctrine" of "backsliding" is nowhere found in the New Testament. This is yet another example of "replacement theology", where a doctrine that applies to Israel is misapplied to the Body of Christ. Hosea 11:7 And my people [Israel] are bent to backsliding from me: though they called them to the most High, none at all would exalt him. Hosea 4:16 For Israel slideth back as a backsliding heifer: now the LORD will feed them as a lamb in a large place. Jeremiah 8:5 Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return. Jeremiah 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: Jeremiah 3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever. etc. A "doctrine" for the Body of Christ that is found in Paul's Epistles is the "doctrine" of Walking in the Spirit: see Romans 8 & Galatians 5 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:16 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Romans 8:5 A Christian is either "walking in the Spirit" or they are "walking in the flesh". There is no reason to take an O.T. Israeli phrase and force it to apply it to the Body of Christ.
  4. Matthew 13:18-23 Kingdom Parable: Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. Matthew 13:34-35 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
  5. [on the road to Emmaus, Jesus speaking] Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. Luke 24:25-27
  6. This section of Hebrews deals with a comparison between Mount Sinai (12:18-21) and Heavenly Jerusalem (12:22-24). Written to "To the general assembly and church of the firstborn", which I would consider to be strictly a Hebrew group (including the Patriarchs). I would consider vs. 22-24 to be a yet future event (and destination) -- a "reunion" of sorts -- as the "general assembly" is panēgyris which is a festal assembly and celebration. vs. 18: For ye are not come unto the mount [Sinai] that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, vs. 22: But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, Nobody understood this "ye are not come" to mean that everyone addressed in this section of Hebrews actually traveled to Sinai or heavenly Jerusalem. This passage is expressed in a tense that places "ye are come" (to Heavenly Jerusalem) as if it had already occurred, and as far as God is concerned, it is as-good-as-done. It is expressed as a "comparison and contrast" between the old system of Moses given at Sinai and the new system of access to God given by Messiah. There will be a "celebratory reunion" of all those Patriarchs of the O.T. with the Messianic Israelis of the New Testament in the FUTURE. It's really just a simple literary device (comparison and contrast). Hebrews is directed at encouraging those Messianic Israelis of the New Testament to press ahead to bring about God's Kingdom on Earth (Millennial Reign of Messiah in Israel). Obviously the writer of Hebrews had a lot of "authority" with the readers of this Epistle, as he addresses them as such. No doubt, the writer was present at the events of the 2nd Chapter of Acts (Pentecost) and witnessed the POWER of the Holy Spirit.
  7. Perhaps you could elucidate on Matthew 25:1-15 "The Parable of the Ten Virgins" as it applies to the Body of Christ? I wasn't aware that Paul knew all the parables and used all the parables in his teaching (Romans - Philemon).
  8. A lot of Christian "cults" (heresies) have been formed by taking the parables literally and applying them to the Body of Christ. IFB "Baptist briders" come to mind. Was Jesus speaking to the Body of Christ when he spoke in parables? 1. Doctrine, 2. Reproof, 3. Correction, are all separate "categories". As to the "Instruction in righteousness", well that could be understood to be the entire Bible. Break the verse down into its elements.
  9. And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. Genesis 17:19 Abraham "believed God" that Isaac would "have seed" (ie: children, descendants). So, Abraham also believed in the resurrection, had Isaac died. In obedience he "offered up" his ONLY son (btw: technically he had "another son" - Ishmael). Bits and pieces, but no mention of "Jesus" or that he would die for the sins of the whole world, be buried and be raised again the third day. If you can find this in Genesis 3:15, then by-all-means elaborate on it.
  10. What "criteria" do you use to determine which "parables" apply directly to the Body of Christ, or do you apply all parables directly to the Body of Christ?
  11. What if Abraham had not actually committed to slitting his son's throat when Isaac was on the woodpile? What if Abraham had just acknowledged that that is what God wanted him to do, and thus "understood" the "sacrifice of an ONLY son" but not acted on it? Would Abraham have been "justified" by simply "believing"?
  12. Harvesting will occur during the Tribulation. The "end of the world" could be expressed as the "end of this age" or "end of this current world", as the Millennium will be a "new world". Separation of the "sheep from the goats" will determine who enters the Millennial Kingdom, and who is cast out. I see no application in this "parable" for the Body of Christ.
  13. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Hebrews 11:8-10
  14. Back to the OP: All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations [Gentiles] shall worship before thee. For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations. Psalm 22:27-28
  15. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 1 Cor 9:20 To a strictly "Jewish" audience, Paul would of course pursuaded them that the "Kingdom" (on earth) was still available to them as a Nation, and opened up the Old Testament to them.
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