Supposedly Godly men who use other than KJB?

[rancher824]

I will start out by saying I feel very sorry for the member who started this thread. He asked a legitamant question, and was torn to shreds for asking it.

As for confusion, how can you say it is not confusing. If I say "All scripture is given" and you show me that your bible disagrees with mine, how is it all scripture. When you start saying that one is as good as another, while one has verses the other does not, how do we know what God actually said???? If my Bible has things in it that do not belong, it is worthless... If your Bible has things left out that belong, it is worthless. You very quickly find yourself on the sinking ground, because the rock, Christ, is not left in the Bible. How can he be if there are errors!!! My Christ has no errors. I guess that leaves us like the catholics, having to go to our pastor (priest) to ask him (from his knowledge of Greek and Hebrew) what does the Bible really say. I have heard preachers say they did not mind telling their congragations what the Bible really says. Of course that thought throws out "study to show thyself approved" doesn't it. It must just mean for the pastors to study the Greek and Hebrew. :puzzled: It takes away all self learning.

As to the easier to read, and Greek and hebrew thoughts. My dad went to seminary (or as mom's side of the family called it "cemetary, the place they barry young preachers). While there he was taught that there are some things in the Bible you must go back to the original languages to understand. The KJV just could not explain it correctly. So we now know that we need to understand Greek and Hebrew.
My Grandad (Mom's Dad) did not graduate from the third grade. He did not learn to read until he was married, got saved and asked my Granny to teach him to read so he could read his Bible. He spent many years studying his KJV on his knees before God. My Dad decided to conduct an experiment. He started asking Grandad questions (without letting him know what he was doing). He asked him the questions that you had to know Greek and Hebrew to know. My Grandad answered every one of them. He had not been under Greek and Hebrew pastors to have taught him, but rather learned it on his knees in prayer.

Is it comfusing. Let me ask you this, how do you like this green colored font? If it says it is green, and is red, confusing. If the two Bibles disagree, confusing!!!!

[Guest Guest]

Good post.

"cemetery, the place they bury young preachers"

Thats the truth, I have seen a lot of Christians destroyed by "bible" colleges and seminaries. Personally I would like to keep as many of my enemies in front of me as possible, I try to avoid getting stabbed in the back. :roll Another topic though...

[Will]

Great - glad you think you know what you are talking about. You are the first person I have EVER seen on these boards that says the TR is not the Byzantine line. You are entitled to your opinion. :rapture:

You are the absolute first person I have ever seen claim that the TR is the Byzantine text. That's erroneous. The TR comes from the Byzantine text. The TR was based on fewer than a dozen manuscripts from the Byzantine line. That is a historical fact my friend.

[RayJr]

ok so nobody really ever answered my question, I guess i never really figured I'd get an answer from someone who has turned their back on Gods word. I believe that God said and I am paraphrasing here that he would preserve his word for all generations if the MVs are good and the KJV is not then what about all of the men and women before us were they just not worthy of the truth are we just that much better than them more enlightened that we can be given his word when others were not. I have often heard people say that the KJV is just to hard to read and understand, First of all if you are saved through the blood of Jesus Christ God promises you understanding. Secondly I thought we were suposed to be smarter and more inteligent than our for fathers, Yet they understood the KJV. I wonder why people feel the need to change Gods word to suit them. It should be the otherway around.
I cannot understand a socalled Preacher who is supposed to lead a flock of believers would guide them into confusion I believe that is the work of the devil. Do I believe that they intentionally disieve there members, no not all, I believe they have been coopted by satan The devil walketh about seeking what he may devour, what better than the word of God and His men.
I thank all of you who have posted some who I agree with some I don't I hope this discussion will continue. God Bless America.

(((Ok so what makes a man of God decide that the KJB is nolonger Gods word and switch to anouther translation or comentary which is what a lot of new versions are? How do they get past the things that are left out, the words that are changed that cause the meanings of whole verses to become different.))))

[Jerry]

For those who think the best solution to the Bible version debate is to go back to the Hebrew and Greek - which Hebrew and Greek? The manuscripts underlying the MVs are NOT the same as those underlying the KJV. Running to the Critical Texts to understand the Bible is not helping anyone.

[rancher824]

For those who think the best solution to the Bible version debate is to go back to the Hebrew and Greek - which Hebrew and Greek? The manuscripts underlying the MVs are NOT the same as those underlying the KJV. Running to the Critical Texts to understand the Bible is not helping anyone.

:amen:

[pneu-engine]

ok so nobody really ever answered my question, ....

(((Ok so what makes a man of God decide that the KJB is nolonger Gods word and switch to anouther translation or comentary which is what a lot of new versions are? How do they get past the things that are left out, the words that are changed that cause the meanings of whole verses to become different.))))

My analysis goes like this::::::::

#1. I maintain that the MV publishers and translaters are not out to make the Bible easier to read or understand. No, no, no. They are trying to make money. This is why the MVs are all copyrighted. The KJV is not copyrighted. This explains why the MV-ers keep coming out with new versions. It's to make even more money. In order to qualify for copyright a new version must have a sufficient number of changes in it.

#2. Preachers give in to them out of fear of losing their people, and money is behind that fear.

Here is the irony that I see::::::::

There are some on this board that work with exceedingly fine accuracy in their jobs, and are completely convinced that the projects they do will not be good enough to meet specs if they "slop them together" and throw their precise workmanship to the wind. When they write a software program for some device they know full well that they dare not get slip-shod with their code-writing. However, they are willing to call some MVs perfectly fine as the Word of God when those same MVs are incredibly sloppy with their errors, fallacies, and lies that they have introduced. The work of Satan is to mix Truth with error. Therefore these MVs are works of Satan.

[RayJr]

well said pneu-engine

[Will]

ok so nobody really ever answered my question, I guess i never really figured I'd get an answer from someone who has turned their back on Gods word. I believe that God said and I am paraphrasing here that he would preserve his word for all generations if the MV's are good and the Geneva Bible is not then what about all of the men and women before us were they just not worthy of the truth are we just that much better than them more enlightened that we can be given his word when others were not. I have often heard people say that the Geneva Bible is just to hard to read and understand, First of all if you are saved through the blood of Jesus Christ God promises you understanding. Secondly I thought we were suposed to be smarter and more intelligent than our for fathers, Yet they understood the Geneva Bible. I wonder why people feel the need to change Gods word to suit them. It should be the other way around.
I cannot understand a so called Preacher who is supposed to lead a flock of believers would guide them into confusion I believe that is the work of the devil. Do I believe that they intentionally disieve there members, no not all, I believe they have been co-opted by satan The devil walketh about seeking what he may devour, what better than the word of God and His men.
I thank all of you who have posted some who I agree with some I don't I hope this discussion will continue. God Bless America.

(((Ok so what makes a man of God decide that the Geneva Bible is no longer Gods word and switch to another translation or comentary which is what a lot of new versions are? How do they get past the things that are left out, the words that are changed that cause the meanings of whole verses to become different.))))

[Kubel]

Just want to throw this question out there see what every one else thinks.

Ok so what makes a man of God decide that the KJB is nolonger Gods word and switch to anouther translation or comentary which is what a lot of new versions are?

As a non-onlyist, maybe I can jump in and clear this up a bit. Every MV reader I have ever run across, whether in person or online, believes that the KJV is God's word. They just don't believe that it is the only valid translation, or that it is the best translation. So one may switch, but they don't feel that the KJV is "no longer" God's word. They are just open to other translations.

How do they get past the things that are left out' date=' the words that are changed that cause the meanings of whole verses to become different. [/quote']

Quite simply, they have come to different conclusions about source texts. The reason MV's "leave out" whole verses is because they were never there to begin with in the sources they were translating from. The reason the KJV "adds" whole verses is because they were there in the sources they were translating from. The difference? Different sources. I suggest picking up a copy of "The King James Only Controversy" by James R White. Even if you don't agree with the conclusions, at least you can get a feel for the evidence and reasons MV readers accept these apparent "removals" and differences.

[Jerry]

I believe just the opposite. I believe Christians are growing and are more easily seeing the truth in the word through modern translations in churches today. I believe the only victory Satan has with the translation issue is with the division that the KJV-Only controversy is causing. Split churches' date=' separation of fellowship, hatred between believers, etc...[/quote']

Funny how in these endtimes - which the Bible predicts would be a time of apostasy - that you believe Christendom is getting closer and closer to the truth! Funny how you believe it is those who contend for something specific (rather than just going with the flow and accepting everything) that are the cause of the problem! Shame us on KJVonliers that just won't bend and merge in with mainstream Christendom! What's wrong with us! Guess the Antichrist and his one-world church will just have to take us out so that he can have his worldly peace in Christendom...*

*No, I don't believe the true church will be here then, I am just commenting upon a mentality that is becoming more and more prevalent, and that I can see him using (especially in light of specific changes in MVs that teach this exact thing - but that is fodder for another thread...).

[heartstrings]

I believe the KJB is God's Word for English speaking people. It's preserved and accurate right down to the very last punctuation mark. All of the MV's are of the devil and I'm leary of "man of God" who uses them.

[dwayner79]

As a non-onlyist, maybe I can jump in and clear this up a bit. Every MV reader I have ever run across, whether in person or online, believes that the KJV is God's word. They just don't believe that it is the only valid translation, or that it is the best translation. So one may switch, but they don't feel that the KJV is "no longer" God's word. They are just open to other translations.

[dwayner79]

What I don't get is why if the church is progressively getting worse, what made 1611 the time where the digression started? Every generation has thought they were the last generation. I imagine folks could have used the same argument in 1611 about the KJV. To substantiate this argument you would have to prove that 1. we are in the last days and 2. that Bible versions are a result of apostasy, both of which are mere conjecture.

[Pastor Matt]

I believe just the opposite. I believe Christians are growing and are more easily seeing the truth in the word through modern translations in churches today. I believe the only victory Satan has with the translation issue is with the division that the KJV-Only controversy is causing. Split churches' date=' separation of fellowship, hatred between believers, etc...[/b']

Way to stereotype and lump all KJVO folks all together. :sad

Anyways, you have any proof to what you just stated? Where are the fact that led you to come up with the conclusion Christians are growing in with the MV's.

Dwayne, who here said that it was in 1611 that is where the digression started?