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  1. [quote="Seth Doty"][quote]The question is: How is God involved in the process of decision making?" Now, God's will is expressly made clear in Scripture. However, the prevailing view today of Christians is that God has a special blueprint for our lives, and that blueprint must be sought out because God just doesn't show it to use. So Christians "pray and seek God to show them His will." There isn't a Biblical foundation for this kind of thing. People say they "feel led of the Spirit" to do such and such. But in saying this, they're abusing Scripture. The Spirit empowers us to live Holy Lives, understand Scripture, and pray. The Spirit doesn't lead us to this church or that church, or this message board or that message board. Some people "pray and feel peace about it." But Scripture nowhere tells us to do this.[/quote] [color=#0000FF]"Ezra 8:21 [u]Then I proclaimed a fast there, at the river of Ahava, that we might afflict ourselves before our God, to seek of him a right way for us, and for our little ones, and for all our substance.[/u]" [b]Ezra 8:21 is first and foremost a descriptive passage, and not one that is prescriptive. While there are principles to be gained from this passage, one cannot point to it as being prescriptive for the Christian life. Furthermore, the "right way" that it talks about, is what we would call "traveling mercies" today. It was a petition for a safe journey. They already knew God's will, they were departing to go to Jerusalem. They were already in the will of God, they weren't seeking it. Verse 22 of this passage explains verse 21. NEVER read a verse out of it's context, always read the passage to get the meaning of the verse.[/b] "Psalm 27:8 [u]When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.[/u]" [b]To seek God's face is to seek His favor, not to seek His will. [/b] "Psalm 32:8 [u]I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye."[/u] [b]This has nothing to do with seeking God's will. It has to do with living how God wants every believer to live. [/b] "Psalm 37:23 The steps of a good man [u]are ordered by the LORD[/u]: and he delighteth in his way." [b]"The steps of a good man"...Who is the "good man?" That would be a believer who is walking as he ought to walk. It doesn't mean that God literally sets a righteous man on a walking path. This passage does not teach what you seem to think.[/b] "Daniel 9:3 And [u]I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications[/u], with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:" [b] That is a terrible misinterpretation of the text, as the passage has nothing to do with seeking God's will, but with understanding a prophecy.[/b] "Isaiah 30:21 [u]And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.[/u]" [b]Read the passage, it has nothing to do with seeking God's will, but with obeying God's already established word. [/b] "John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And [u]they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.[/u]" [b]This has to do with Salvation, not with "discerning the will of God."[/b] "Acts 16:7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: [u]but the Spirit suffered them not.[/u]" [b]This is the closest you've come to actually providing Scripture that teaches that we need to discern the will of God here or there. But it actually doesn't teach that. The Apostles were supposing they should do such and such, and God stopped them. They didn't stop and pray to see why the Spirit had closed the door, nor did they stop and pray to see what was next. They simply moved on to the next city.[/b] "Romans 8:14 [u]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God[/u], they are the sons of God." [b]Again, this has nothing to do with discerning the will of God or being led of God throughout our daily life in what we should or shouldn't do.[/b] "1 Thessalonians 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: [u]for ye yourselves are taught of God[/u] to love one another." [b] Yes, it's one of the fruit of the Spirit. Outside of that, it means nothing.[/b] "James 1:5 [u]If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.[/u]"[/color] ][b]Okay....and?[/b] [/quote]
  2. [quote="Seth Doty"][quote]I'll get back to this later, but you're taking several of these verses out of context, and taking descriptive passages as being prescriptive.[/quote] If you don't want to ask the Lord about any decision before you make it that is between you and God, but it does speak of a poor understanding of the character of God and the working of the Holy Spirit in a believers life. I hope you do not hold a deist position. Belief that the Lord will hear and respond is one of those fundamentals you can't even get saved without. [color=#0000FF]"Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, [u]and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.[/u]"[/color][/quote] And again, you took another verse out of context. I'm afraid that you don't understand what Deism is if you think that I hold to it.
  3. [quote="Seth Doty"][quote]The question is: How is God involved in the process of decision making?" Now, God's will is expressly made clear in Scripture. However, the prevailing view today of Christians is that God has a special blueprint for our lives, and that blueprint must be sought out because God just doesn't show it to use. So Christians "pray and seek God to show them His will." There isn't a Biblical foundation for this kind of thing. People say they "feel led of the Spirit" to do such and such. But in saying this, they're abusing Scripture. The Spirit empowers us to live Holy Lives, understand Scripture, and pray. The Spirit doesn't lead us to this church or that church, or this message board or that message board. Some people "pray and feel peace about it." But Scripture nowhere tells us to do this.[/quote] [color=#0000FF]"Ezra 8:21 [u]Then I proclaimed a fast there, at the river of Ahava, that we might afflict ourselves before our God, to seek of him a right way for us, and for our little ones, and for all our substance.[/u]" "Psalm 27:8 [u]When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.[/u]" "Psalm 32:8 [u]I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye."[/u] "Psalm 37:23 The steps of a good man [u]are ordered by the LORD[/u]: and he delighteth in his way." "Daniel 9:3 And [u]I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications[/u], with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:" "Isaiah 30:21 [u]And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.[/u]" "John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And [u]they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.[/u]" "Acts 16:7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: [u]but the Spirit suffered them not.[/u]" "Romans 8:14 [u]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God[/u], they are the sons of God." "1 Thessalonians 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: [u]for ye yourselves are taught of God[/u] to love one another." "James 1:5 [u]If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.[/u]"[/color][/quote] I'll get back to this later, but you're taking several of these verses out of context, and taking descriptive passages as being prescriptive.
  4. That was painful. I couldn't watch it all.
  5. [quote="joyfulpraise93"][quote="Will"][quote="joyfulpraise93"][quote="Will"]There's no Scriptural justification for this.[/quote] Over and over God shows us in His word that he cares about each decision that we make...big or small. Casting ALL your cares upon him...if someone is concerned about whether something is a good decision or not, then that is a care and He invites us to cast it upon him. It's not right to criticize someone because they prayed about a decision. I have been amazed to hear many stories in my life of Christians who were about to do something and prayed and changed their mind (something as small as changing to a different train car) and because of that they were able to meet a person God allowed them to lead to Christ. Our great matters are small to His power and our small matters are great to His love.[/quote] But there's no Scriptural Justification for this idea. We are to use the wisdom and judgment that God has given us. Anecdotal stories are nice, but they don't do in place of Scripture.[/quote] I gave Scripture...and there's plenty more in the Bible that shows it than just one verse. It's basically the whole of the Christian life...being led of the Holy Spirit in every decision that is made. :) :wvlf"[/quote] No, I'm afraid that you gave a misapplication of Scripture. The short part of a verse you gave has nothing to do with "seeking the Will of God." The question is: How is God involved in the process of decision making?" Now, God's will is expressly made clear in Scripture. However, the prevailing view today of Christians is that God has a special blueprint for our lives, and that blueprint must be sought out because God just doesn't show it to use. So Christians "pray and seek God to show them His will." There isn't a Biblical foundation for this kind of thing. People say they "feel led of the Spirit" to do such and such. But in saying this, they're abusing Scripture. The Spirit empowers us to live Holy Lives, understand Scripture, and pray. The Spirit doesn't lead us to this church or that church, or this message board or that message board. Some people "pray and feel peace about it." But Scripture nowhere tells us to do this. Moses didn't have peace about going to Egypt, but He went anyway. Gideon didn't have peace about going to war with the Midianites, but he went anyway. Some Christians look for "open doors" and "closed doors" based on a terrible misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 16:8,9; and 2 Corinthians 2:12-13. Paul did not read divine opportunities as being divine directives. Some Christians think we have to look for signs, but looking for signs is a spirit of unbelief in God's already given Word. Some people think that we can discern God's will based on the confirmation of others of our gifting. But Scripture doesn't teach that either. In short, God's will is found in Scripture, and we are to seek to follow Scripture, in which God's will is found. We should strive to live peaceably with all men. We should strive to walk in the Spirit, to pray, to study Scripture. Nowhere does Scripture indicate that we need to seek God's will as if it were lost or undiscernable to us until God gives us a clue.
  6. But there's no Scriptural Justification for this idea. We are to use the wisdom and judgment that God has given us. Anecdotal stories are nice, but they don't do in place of Scripture.
  7. Why don't you talk to American troops who have trained with people forced to be in the military. They're a shoddy lot, incapable of keeping up with our boys, and constant whiners and complainers. Besides, there's no Constitutional justification for the nonsense that you spouted.
  8. There's no Scriptural justification for this.
  9. Well, simply put, I think that God's Will generally has little or nothing to do with internet message board. God's Will is that we live for him on a daily basis. We don't have to pray out whether or not we should join a certain message board, let our kids play in Little League, or what newspaper we should subscribe to. Those are matters where we simply exercise the judgment and wisdom that God has given us.
  10. [quote="Crushmaster"]I found it when I was Google searching for an Independent Baptist site. I soon found OB and, after some praying, decided to join. :wink I've very much enjoyed my experience thus far, and I am sure I will continue to. God bless, Crushmaster.[/quote] Internet magics. s You prayed to decide whether or not to join? How odd.
  11. A false dichotomy. Many of the greatest scientists who ever lived were also Christians or at least religious in some sense.
  12. [quote="dwayner79"]Matt, Remember the debate that was done a while back. Calvinism right? a few select people with opening statements, rebuttals, etc. Is that still around to read, and where you planning on doing that again? Just remembered it, and thought I would bring it up.[/quote] Debates? Interesting.
  13. [quote="candlelight"]Oh...Will, you always crack me up. :lol: How are you?[/quote] I'm doing just fine. And you?
  14. The Shack is emergent garbage. I wouldn't line the parrot cage with it.
  15. Kingdom of the Cults is good. Two Babylons however, is rather awful, and full of half-truths.
  16. A: You've obviously never broken a horse, as your analogy is so out of whack that I don't know where to begin. Suffice it to say however, that there are ways of gentling a horse that don't involve riding it into submission, or using other "cruel" means. B: What on earth do you mean by "abstinence of the mind". I think it's important that you define this, before we continue this discussion.
  17. Because I just didn't find this article to be anything majorly out of the ordinary, or particularly newsworthy. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,459247,00.html
  18. I looked at Obama's actual issues that he stood for. And there was very little that I could stand with. His fiscal(economic) policy will do tremendous harm to the people on "Main Street" if he gets to put it in place. Obama will bring change if he can, and that change will be bad.
  19. Yeah, the mistake of being libeled by folks who suggested her baby wasn't hers, she tried to ban books, she bought expensive clothes for herself and her family. The mistake of her interviewers editing out her reasonable answers and instead putting her comments in the worst possible light, of being asked gotcha questions by a media who asked no such questions of Obama/Biden. The mistake of being the only true conservative in the race. The mistake of being the most popular politician with her constituents? The mistake of being the only one in the race with executive experience. The fact is that explaining the answers to the criticisms is not blaming others. And the fact is the sour economy and unpopular war is the reason no Republican ticket had a chance this year.
  20. And Bush did have some very flawed and failed policies that did result in public backlash. I'm a member of the Republican Liberty Caucus, and many of us have been talking about that fact.
  21. Hello Mr Dow, didn't realize you were over here. How's everything up in Dover?
  22. The name Jehovah is more or less a transliteration of the Tetragrammaton. The reading of it as we see it comes from the Qere Perpetuum. The Qere(marker) is a marker for a marginal note that was put in by the Masoretic scribes. Most of the time in copying Scriptures, the Masoretes simply put in JHVH(or YHWH). Sometimes, they added a Qere that it was to be pronounced as Adonai. And in some manuscripts, it was simply a Qere Perpetuum(Perpetual Marker), and they just added the vowel markers for Adonai into the Tetragrammaton.
  23. YHWH is an English transliteration of the character-letters that are used to form the Tetragrammaton. The Tetragrammaton is used in the place of God's name in Old Testament Scripture.
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