Hebrews 6:4-6

[deputydog530]

Loss of salvation in any way is not biblical, nor is dispensational salvation. The verses have been posted over and over.

This is going now where. I will stick with what God says.

God Bless you all.

DD

[heartstrings]

Loss of salvation in any way is not biblical, nor is dispensational salvation. The verses have been posted over and over.

This is going now where. I will stick with what God says.

God Bless you all.

DD

[Wilchbla]

Loss of salvation in any way is not biblical, nor is dispensational salvation. The verses have been posted over and over.

This is going now where. I will stick with what God says.

God Bless you all.

DD

Loss of salvation for a Christian in this age in unbiblical but anyone who takes the mark of the beast during the tribulation (including any "saved" person) will their his salvation.

Notice also this verse.

Hebrews 2:5- For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

The writer clearly indicates that he is speaking of FUTURE EVENTS.

[tired]

Would a saved person take the mark? I would say no. Only the lost will take the mark. Many pseudo-christians will take the mark. The wheat and the tares comes to mind.

[robycop3]

Loss of salvation in any way is not biblical, nor is dispensational salvation. The verses have been posted over and over.

This is going now where. I will stick with what God says.

God Bless you all.

DD

And so will I. And Hebrews 6:4-6 is parta what He sez.

[heartstrings]

Robycop3,

What kind of sin would I have to do to be considered 'fallen away'?
Adultery? Murder? Lying?

[trc123]

Robycop3,

What kind of sin would I have to do to be considered 'fallen away'?
Adultery? Murder? Lying?

Gossip, thievery, breaking the speed limit?

[John81]

Would a saved person take the mark? I would say no. Only the lost will take the mark. Many pseudo-christians will take the mark. The wheat and the tares comes to mind.

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[heartstrings]

Gossip, thievery, breaking the speed limit?

Bitterness? Lacking faith? Thinking a bad thought?

[robycop3]

Robycop3,

What kind of sin would I have to do to be considered 'fallen away'?
Adultery? Murder? Lying?

Completely, deliberately rejecting CHRIST after having come to Him.

[John81]

Completely, deliberately rejecting CHRIST after having come to Him.

I've missed some of the posts in this thread. Are you referring to "fallen away" as in backsliddin or are you saying fallen out of salvation?

[Wilchbla]

I'm sorry, but any honest and close reading of Hebrews will definitely show that those are some "saved" Jews there that have lost their salvation after drawing back unto perdition. Now the thing is not to reject it or go to the "originals" or to the Greek to make it say what you want it to say. Now is the time to reconcile it with what Paul taught in his writtings (which, Peter found hard to understand) that a believer cannot lose his salvation. The key comes in dispensationalism. Again, the group in Hebrews are Jews during the last days waiting for Christ's return. It is clear as day. Most likely Hebrews was written early on in Acts before Paul's revelations about the nature of the body of Christ. Acts 2 - 15 is were Hebrews would fit in. The Jews nationally reject Christ so God put them on the shelf (Romans 9-11) and turned to the Gentiles thus the kingdom never came them and the books of Hebrews would be transitioned to a book dealing with a future group of Jews that will receive the kingdom. The saved remnant during the tribulation. Notice particularly what Peter says in Acts 2 about the heavens. None of that happened as he said it would. So those events about the heavens in Acts 2 also become yet future (Matt. 24). This is important in understanding the whole thing about the Jews, the kingdom of heaven, Christ's return and the book of Hebrews. Now, this does not mean that there is no Christian doctrine in Hebrews. It is loaded with things for us since it is still dealing with the NT but you cannot say that God has fulfilled the New Covenant (I didn't say New Testament but rather New Covnenat which are not exactly the same thing) with them yet.

[robycop3]

I've missed some of the posts in this thread. Are you referring to "fallen away" as in backsliddin or are you saying fallen out of salvation?

Fallen outta salvation, John, as the verses state, I. E. "renew them again unto repentance".

[robycop3]

All you folks are going to keep arguing this topic in circles because what you both are saying is half right/wrong. Those folks in Hebrews 6 can lose their salvation but those folks in Hebrews 6 are not part of the body of Christ. The whole book of Hebrews is primarily speaking to Jews waiting for the return of Christ during the "last days". Hebrews 1:2 tells you this. If they don't endure onto the end and fall back and take the mark of the beast they'll go to hell. This has nothing to do with the church in this age or prior to the rapture. A believe now is sealed unto the day of redemption but these folks in Hebrews are NOT.

A question, pl;ease...why would they NOT be the same as any other saved person?

There's only ONE salvation proclaimed, for Jew & gentile alike, as Paul said, and I cannot see any saved person not being parta the body of Christ.

[deputydog530]

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