A question. (or a few)

[JAHinton]

Can one be saved and deny Scripture? We may not all interpret it exactly the same way. But in the matter of homosexuality there is no matter of interpretation. To ridicule one because of an opposition to homosexuality is to deny the plain teaching of Scripture. A question arises in my mind obout the salvation of one who professes to be Christian yet think homosexuality is ok.

[John81]

[quote="tonyinsc"]Hello all.
I was wondering.
How far will you go to take a stand for what is right,or against,what is not right?
Would you be willing to lose friends,defending the KJV?
Would you be willing to be ridiculed by saved and lost people to take a stand against homosexuality? Tony[/quote]


All of these I have done, am doing, will do again.

[HappyChristian]

Hello all.
I was wondering.
How far will you go to take a stand for what is right,or against,what is not right?
Would you be willing to lose friends,defending the KJV?
Would you be willing to be ridiculed by saved and lost people to take a stand against homosexuality? Tony

How far will I go? It depends on the issue, the person and scripture. The Bible gives specific commands in some areas and principles in others. Please don't take that to mean situational ethics. Each issue would need to be bathed in scripture and prayer, and counsel with my hubby.

Would I be willing to lose friends defending the KJV? Well, if they chose to walk away from my friendship because I won't use an MV, that would be their choice. But if I were harsh enough in my dealings with them that I lost their friendship, I think it would be sin on my part. To be adamant is one thing. To be hateful in that adamancy is another.

Be ridiculed for taking a stand against homosexuality? Have been. I've been called a hater because of it - more than once. People have tried to quote scripture to me (lost people...) to prove that I am wrong. And I have been shunned. No big loss - I am sorry that the people are blinded, but I'm not going to change because of that.

If God's agin' it, so am I! If God's for it, so am I!

[Yankee Candle]

[color=#8040FF]The Bible says we should be prepared to give our lives for Jesus and the sake of the gospel. We need be true to Him until the time comes.[/color]

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[JerryNumbers]

[quote="Susanna"]tonyinsc, that is a tough question. I only compromise when I'm with my friends cause I know they will see me as awkward. Sometimes when I try to witness to them, they change the conversation or turn into something different. I admire your courage for standing strong in what you believe, but I couldn't do it with my friends because they might decide to stop talking to me or they won't invite me out anymore. The situation is way easier if you've got Christian friends because then you wouldn't care so much if the wordly friends would want to distance themselves from you.[/quote]

Susanna, I've got a question for you.

If you had a young boy, and it he was going to run out in the street in front of a car, would you want someone to stop him?

As for me, i would rather lose a friend trying to warn them of the danger they are in, than to stay their friend till death and see their soul lost and thrown into hell. I woudl rather them not to ask me out again, than to have the ask me out a million times and know they are lost and headed to hell.

That is, I have to warn them of the grave danger they are in, if it breaks up our friendship, so be it, my conscience will be clear. If I compromised my conscience can never be clear without going to God and confessing my sin.

I've had many who have said to me, "Thanks for caring enough to ask." One such person was an old friend who I had not seen in a long time. he was in the hospital in veyr grave condition due to cancer. I went and visited him, one of the 1st things I asked him was, "Charles, if you were to die today, woudl you go to heaven?' Thankfully he was a saved man, but I still went through the Bible to give him assurance. When I left Charles said, "Jerry, thanks for being my friend, and thanks for caring enough about me to come to this hospital and talk about Jesus with me." I might add, during that visit both of us did much crying and hugging one another.

If my child was in danger, i would appreciate anyone who helped him, of course at 61 I don't have a young child.

But I even got one more question? What do you have in common with lost people? What do y'all have in common? The difference between lost and saved people are just as much different than day and night.

We ought to be like the young bride who is fixing to marry her sweetheart, she tells everyone she comes in contact, "My sweet heart asked me to marry him and I said yes."

We ought to be wanting to tell everyone about our Savior and share the good news.

Jeremiah 20:9, "Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay."

How can we hold it inside?

[1John2:15-17]

[quote="John81"][quote="tonyinsc"]Hello all.
I was wondering.
How far will you go to take a stand for what is right,or against,what is not right?
Would you be willing to lose friends,defending the KJV?
Would you be willing to be ridiculed by saved and lost people to take a stand against homosexuality? Tony[/quote]


All of these I have done, am doing, will do again.[/quote]


:amen: :goodpost:

I have even lost family (parents, siblings) just for my stance as a Christian. Fortunately I know I'm saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ. :pray

Sounds like you are getting good support and need to keep listening to The Lord. :Bible:

cubfan

[Guest Guest]

Susanna, I've got a question for you.
If you had a young boy, and it he was going to run out in the street in front of a car, would you want someone to stop him?
But I even got one more question? What do you have in common with lost people? What do y'all have in common?
We ought to be wanting to tell everyone about our Savior and share the good news.
How can we hold it inside?

Jerry80871852, I understand what you say and it does upset me to know their real condition. What I do is pray that God would send someone else to witness to them. They are stubborn and like I said before, they shut the conversation when I talk about their beliefs. Personally, I don't know any Christians, there are some at my church, but in everyday's life I go out with other people because you know already that it's hard to find born-again believers. Yours was a happy case because your friend was already saved.

[Alimantado]

But I even got one more question? What do you have in common with lost people? What do y'all have in common? The difference between lost and saved people are just as much different than day and night.

What does a saved person have in common with a lost person? The same Dad, perhaps. Or the same Mum or the same brothers and sisters. Perhaps even the same marriage and the same children if the saved person didn't come to Christ when very young. With their lifelong friends, the same memories and the same endeavours, the same dependendability, the same trust, the same favours, the same love and loyalty etc. etc.

Jerry, if your posts on here are anything to go by, you must give some rousing and heartfelt sermons. I can't argue with the overall message of your post--indeed I have so many times myself thought 'thanks for caring' when a Christian has witnessed to me. Bothering to witness with conviction to lost people like me must be an expression of love, I agree, and perhaps even seperating from your unsaved friends/family/children is 'tough love': I can see how that might be true.

But to be honest, I couldn't see myself, were I to be saved, turning my back on all my family and friends (for they are all lost but one) at a click of the fingers because we had 'nothing in common.' I guess, in my state, you would expect me to be think like this; but there it is anyway.

Susanna says that she does witness to her friends but they do not listen. What does a Christian do then? Seperate and shake off the dust of their friendship, or remain loyal in the hope there will be another opportunity?

[HappyChristian]

What does a saved person have in common with a lost person? The same Dad, perhaps. Or the same Mum or the same brothers and sisters. Perhaps even the same marriage and the same children if the saved person didn't come to Christ when very young. With their lifelong friends, the same memories and the same endeavours, the same dependendability, the same trust, the same favours, the same love and loyalty etc. etc.

Jerry, if your posts on here are anything to go by, you must give some rousing and heartfelt sermons. I can't argue with the overall message of your post--indeed I have so many times myself thought 'thanks for caring' when a Christian has witnessed to me. Bothering to witness with conviction to lost people like me must be an expression of love, I agree, and perhaps even seperating from your unsaved friends/family/children is 'tough love': I can see how that might be true.

But to be honest, I couldn't see myself, were I to be saved, turning my back on all my family and friends (for they are all lost but one) at a click of the fingers because we had 'nothing in common.' I guess, in my state, you would expect me to be think like this; but there it is anyway.

Susanna says that she does witness to her friends but they do not listen. What does a Christian do then? Seperate and shake off the dust of their friendship, or remain loyal in the hope there will be another opportunity?

Remaining loyal to a friendship is important, Al. But there comes a time when that loyalty will be tested. Will the Christian be loyal to Christ and His Word or to the friend? If being loyal means participating in a wicked lifestyle just to have the friendship, then no. If the friendship can exist without compromising the principles and commands of the Word, then yes.

I don't believe that we have to turn our backs on our friends or our family if they are not saved. Usually it is the lost friend or family member who walks away from a friendship because Christ changes a person so much. A Christian is not loving the lost like they should, like Jesus does, if they just turn their backs because a person is not saved. But it is not loving to participate in their sin. That's what has to be separate.

[John81]

Remaining loyal to a friendship is important, Al. But there comes a time when that loyalty will be tested. Will the Christian be loyal to Christ and His Word or to the friend? If being loyal means participating in a wicked lifestyle just to have the friendship, then no. If the friendship can exist without compromising the principles and commands of the Word, then yes.

I don't believe that we have to turn our backs on our friends or our family if they are not saved. Usually it is the lost friend or family member who walks away from a friendship because Christ changes a person so much. A Christian is not loving the lost like they should, like Jesus does, if they just turn their backs because a person is not saved. But it is not loving to participate in their sin. That's what has to be separate.

Very :thumb

[1John2:15-17]

Remaining loyal to a friendship is important, Al. But there comes a time when that loyalty will be tested. Will the Christian be loyal to Christ and His Word or to the friend? If being loyal means participating in a wicked lifestyle just to have the friendship, then no. If the friendship can exist without compromising the principles and commands of the Word, then yes.

I don't believe that we have to turn our backs on our friends or our family if they are not saved. Usually it is the lost friend or family member who walks away from a friendship because Christ changes a person so much. A Christian is not loving the lost like they should, like Jesus does, if they just turn their backs because a person is not saved. But it is not loving to participate in their sin. That's what has to be separate.[/quote]

Exactly...with my family, it is they who have turned their back. I still try to witness at any opportunity. I know it would be wrong to turn my back.

[Alimantado]

[quote="HappyChristian"] Remaining loyal to a friendship is important, Al. But there comes a time when that loyalty will be tested. Will the Christian be loyal to Christ and His Word or to the friend? If being loyal means participating in a wicked lifestyle just to have the friendship, then no. If the friendship can exist without compromising the principles and commands of the Word, then yes.

I don't believe that we have to turn our backs on our friends or our family if they are not saved. Usually it is the lost friend or family member who walks away from a friendship because Christ changes a person so much. A Christian is not loving the lost like they should, like Jesus does, if they just turn their backs because a person is not saved. But it is not loving to participate in their sin. That's what has to be separate.[/quote]
Can't argue with that. Thanks for your insight, LuAnne!

[Guest Guest]

I am KJV and do not agree that it should be a huge issue. You can hate homosexuality but you should be very careful not to hate the Homosexual. Remeber an drunkard can be saved and then go back to drinking and seek regeneration. A homosexual is no different. Now if they like it and are not convicted by the Holy Spirit (not preachers or man) then they probably have not recieved Christ and thus you should share the Gospel with them. IF they have fallen back into it you have the biblical resposibility to pick them back us Ephesians 4:29 not be judemental or critical.

[JerryNumbers]

I am KJV and do not agree that it should be a huge issue. You can hate homosexuality but you should be very careful not to hate the Homosexual. Remeber an drunkard can be saved and then go back to drinking and seek regeneration. A homosexual is no different. Now if they like it and are not convicted by the Holy Spirit (not preachers or man) then they probably have not recieved Christ and thus you should share the Gospel with them. IF they have fallen back into it you have the biblical resposibility to pick them back us Ephesians 4:29 not be judemental or critical.

Who said anything about turning your back on them, if you stand firm on God's teachings, they want have nothing to do with you. And yes, if trouble comes their way, help them.

Anyone can be saved, not anyone here said they could not. But they can not be save if you leave God at home while your hanging out with them. And as said, if you don't leave God at home, they're just not going to like hanging out with you.

2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

Big difference in being what you call being judgmental and pointing them to the truth. But as said, keeping quite about God and Jesus while hanging out being friends is wrong.

1Co 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

Impossible to set at both tables.

[Jerry]

[quote="tank"]IF they have fallen back into it you have the biblical resposibility to pick them back us Ephesians 4:29 not be judemental or critical.[/quote]

Yeah, what did that come out of - the Message? Show me where the Bible teaches we are not to judge sin - that would involve being - ready for it? - judgemental.