What is your position on music and why?

[Ukulelemike]

I actually went to a church in Romania, (Not an IFB missions church, mind you, a national church,) and I heard the exact same songs we sing at our church, played and sung the same way, but in Romanian. I have been among Filipinos and others, and heard the same thing. I believe it is because these people are trying to reach out to the Lord in a way that removes their 'culture' from what they are doing. The standard hymn style, if you will, spans much of Europe, as well as America, Italy, etc, so its not just culturally American or always white. And I have been in churches with many blacks that had music again no different than what I am used to. Its culture that divides us in wrong manners, like the wall of separation that was broken down so the Jews and Gentiles could fellowship together-many use their culture as almost a law that demands separation-THEIR music, OUR music, its all fake and all flesh.

I enjoy bluegrass, but as far as I know it doesn't generally incite violence and rebellion as rock music does. Bluegrass stems from old Celtic music, brought to America and altered a bit to be what it is. It was developed in homes, among families who had no other entertainments, when the families would gather in the evenings and play and sing together, and so, clearly, much 'sacred' music would have been added into the mix. But again, it is the fruit of the music styles we need to consider in use for God. Something that encouraged family and fellowship and joy, I think could rightly be used, but rock and its children, which were born our of rebellion and violence and alcohol and drugs and blatant Satanism, can it be redeemed?

[Musician4God1611]

We judge a thing by the fruit which it produces. Having said that, I cannot reconcile myself to CCM not because the Bible says that a predominate backbeat is wrong, not because the Lord teaches against repetitive, hypnotic musical patterns, not because God condemns unresolved chords of dissonance, but rather because the fruit which I have seen it yield in my life and in the life of others is not that of a strong, Godly, Spiritual Christian. Walk in the Spirit and ye SHALL NOT fulfill the lust of the flesh. And that is exactly what CCM does, gratify the flesh. The problem is, when people look at music in the Bible they expect God to spell out exactly what style of music should be used, but He doesn't do that because there are many styles of music that are right. Also He doesn't mention things such as backbeat and things like that because terms and meanings change. He teaches by principle, and the principles that He lays down are timeless. I'm not trying to frustrate the Christian life. I'm not trying to make people miserable. But instead of saying over and over "what's wrong with it" maybe we need to start asking "what's right with it". We approach the Christian life with such a "I'll get by with everything that I can get by with" attitude. We come to God with such a flippant, casual approach. We try to form God around our life, instead of being transformed by the renewing of our mind and conforming our life to God's desires. Brothers and Sisters, WE ARE TO BE A HOLY PEOPLE!!!! There should be a separation between us and the world. When my lost coworker asked me one time what sort of music I listened to and I said Gospel, I should have taken heart and rejoiced that he looked at me like I was crazy. THERE NEEDS TO BE A DIFFERENCE! We are so concerned about what others think of us, or what we want for ourselves, instead of being as far from the world and as close to God as possible. We are commanded to love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. I'm not mad at anybody, I rather grieve that we have become so blind and ignorant as Christians to think that God doesn't care what sort of music we listen to. How foolish we are! How sinful we are!

[Gorship]

If I can be redeemed, anything can hahaha Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

[John81]

According to Psalm 150 and Psalm 33:3 Christian music should be loud, incorporate a variety of instruments and prompt us to dance. That's not what music is played in most of our churches (including mine).

If one chooses to look at the fruit of some of the song writers and performers, we should note that many of our hymns include songs written by "Calvinists", universalists, those who also wrote unchristian secular songs, infant baptizers and others.

Scripture lists the qualifications for pastors and deacons but where is the list of qualifications for a song writer or one who sings (whether solo, in a group or choir)? In many cases I've encountered folks who say they demand a higher standard for those writing a song than they do for those preaching. With the exception of those who wrote hymns they happen to like, then there are excuses why the rules don't apply to them.

Personally, I'm pleased with the music in our church and would likely be pleased with the music in most of your churches as well as they are probably all the same or very similar.

It's weak, poorly put forth and often accusatory manner of addressing music that turns many away from considering the issue. A simple, biblical statement would be much better. If that doesn't have the desired results, adding all sorts of side things and accusations won't help.

[Musician4God1611]

But is there not to be a difference? Doesn't the Bible clearly say in I Peter 1:15-16 that we are to be holy in ALL manner of conversation? The fruit we are judging is not of those who wrote the song, but rather of those who listen to the music and sing the music. If it doesn't produce comeliness in my Christian life, if it is not of good report, setting a difference between me and the world, should I think on these things? Should they be in the life of a Christian? (Philippians 4:8, Romans 12:2).

I do not argue loud music, I like my music loud. Obviously not always, some songs tend to serenity. But just because something is loud doesn't make it death metal.

Again I assert, when you look at Scripture, and you look at music, they should (as all things in your life should) point the world and fellow believers to Christ. The issue that many have with the matter of music is not the principles, its the fact that they are so wrapped up in themselves and what they like that they don't consider God and they don't consider others (Romans 14:7-8, 12-13). We need to stop living like our music only affects us. Shame on us! There are dear young Christians in my church that if they saw me and the Pastor listening to CCM would most assuredly slip back into the world and never gain victory in life, because THE MUSIC is no different than what they listened to when they were lost.

I have given sufficient principles and Scripture for someone who wants the truth. This is the last post I will put on the subject.

The issue of music comes down to this. Stop living for yourself and being a selfish Christian, your music affects so much more than just you. And there needs to be a difference if you are going to be holy in ALL manner of conversation.

[Jordan Kurecki]

If I can be redeemed, anything can hahaha 

Do you think porn or Satan can be redeemed? 

Edited August 7, 2015 by Jordan Kurecki

[Gorship]

Redeemed pornography would be the collapse thereof. Satan has made his choice against God so no. 

 

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

If I can be redeemed, anything can hahaha Sent from my Passport using Tapatalccac

can pornography be redeemed? Or what about Satan?

God does not redeem sin. He Cannot redeem lies,lust, pride,etc. Rock music cannot be redeemed because it's nature is against God. Rock music is not holy and you know it. Stop compromising my friend, it's not worth being out of fellowship with God. As long as you willfully embrace this music you are not in fellowship with God. 

[Gorship]

God does not redeem sin. He Cannot redeem lies,lust, pride,etc. Rock music cannot be redeemed because it's nature is against God. Rock music is not holy and you know it. Stop compromising my friend, it's not worth being out of fellowship with God. As long as you willfully embrace this music you are not in fellowship with God. 

lol so are you full on Arminian right here?

you call me friend but have done nothing thus far but cast stones in my direction, you are far from "friendly".

what does it mean to "Redeem" would be our first question:

 

Redeem

REDEE'M, verb transitive [Latin redimo; red, re, and emo, to obtain or purchase.]

1. To purchase back; to ransom; to liberate or rescue from captivity or bondage, or from any obligation or liability to suffer or to be forfeited, by paying an equivalent; as, to redeem prisoners or captured goods; to redeem a pledge.

2. To repurchase what has been sold; to regain possession of a thing alienated, by repaying the value of it to the possessor.

If a man [shall] sell a dwelling house in a walled city, then he may redeem it within a whole year after it is sold.

Leviticus 25:25.

3. To rescue; to recover; to deliver from.

Th' Almighty from the grave hath me redeem'd.

Redeem Israel, O God, out of all his troubles. Psalms 25:22. Deuteronomy 7:8.

The mass of earth not yet redeemed from chaos.

4. To compensate; to make amends for.

It is a chance which does redeem all sorrows.

By lesser ills the greater to redeem

5. To free by making atonement.

Thou hast one daughter who redeems nature from the general curse.

6. To pay the penalty of.

Which of you will be mortal to redeem man's mortal crime?

(there are more, but stopping there)

So for porn, since its very nature is that of adultery, to redeem it, would be definition 6, 3, and perhaps 1. and further to it, as I have said, it would be the collapse thereof.

for rock music, we are here debating the nature thereof. I am on the side that, just due to a tone or pitch, or distortion in an instrument. or a scream or a yell in someones voice, that does not dictate a nature against God. I'm sure some prayers have been said on the battle field in shouts and yelling.

So I would take definition 2; to be bought back. that is, the world has had the lock down on the style of music but it is not rightfully theirs. It (Rock music) belongs to God.

Now you can disagree, but you cant say it somehow breaks my fellowship with God. until you from scripture alone can justify the statement "Rock music is ONLY of and For the world"

if you feel I am out of fellowship with God.

www.bethelbc.ca is our churches website, please let my pastor know your concerns as I'm sure he wouldn't want a deacon that has no fellowship with God.

 

Edited August 7, 2015 by Jordan G

[Jordan Kurecki]

 

You know Rock Music is wicked. Stop pretending.  

Edited August 8, 2015 by Jordan Kurecki

[Gorship]

Welp that convinced me lol.. sigh. Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

[MatthewDiscipleOfGod]

Jordan G,

 

When I first came to this site I defended CCM rock music. I am now completely against it. Rock appeals to the flesh, promotes ecumenism and doesn't glorify God no matter what words you put to it.

[John81]

Jordan G,

 

When I first came to this site I defended CCM rock music. I am now completely against it. Rock appeals to the flesh, promotes ecumenism and doesn't glorify God no matter what words you put to it.

What failed to convince you of this prior to your change on the matter?

What did finally convince you of the need to change your view?

[Gorship]

What failed to convince you of this prior to your change on the matter?

What did finally convince you of the need to change your view?

+1 

[Genevanpreacher]

I am just curious, what is your position on music?

I like music that makes your emotions effective.

 

What do you think of Christian Rock?   No such thing.

What about Southern Gospel?  I like the kind that does not have a big beat, nor make you want to do a jig.

What about Bluegrass gospel?  I like the kind that is not doubletiming, nor make you want to do a jig.

 

What principles do you use in determining whether or not you will listen to a certain style?  

I use common sense. The Lord used David to keep Saul calm, and it wasn't with music that was fast and extremely upbeat.

Negatively feeling music is very comprehendable (made that word up myself!), and coming from a 'black metal' background and heavy metal background, I have a pretty good sense of what type of music is ungodly.