Genevanpreacher

Welcome to my world on OB. It is a grand adventure. By the way, no one is being accused of "collusion with the world and the devil" because of anything. Just picking the brains of some here that condemn me for using my Bible instead of theirs, when I am not their pastor, preacher, nor minister of any sort, and do not affect their life in anyother form other than here on OB. Yet when it comes to their beloved country's leader? Yeah. It does get a bit fuzzy. And I must state - it really doesn't bother me about Trump either.

I liked his speach. I thought it a little too 'promising', but as a speach, (that sounded like he himself wrote), I thought it was refreshing. The only reason I brought up the Bible issue is I figured some here might think that was important. I agree with Alan. But I really thought that would be a hang-up for such a KJB minded set of people as most on this site. Guess it's not as important 'which Bible' is used when it comes to leaders of our nation? I am surprised. But let me state - I voted for a business leader - Trump, and a Christian leader - Pence. They are the team the Lord has for us - whether for our good or not. And I do trust the Lord.

No one is concerned that Trump was sworn in with two Bibles - a Revised Standard Version, on top of Lincolns Bible (https://www.wdl.org/en/item/11358/view/1/9/) which was an 1853 KJB?

Where? And why are there SO many Jews in other countries then? In the website - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/latest-population-statistics-for-israel - there is this quote - "On New Year's Day 2017, Israel's population stood at a record 8,630,000." and out of that "The Jewish population makes up 6,450,000." And - "Out of the 14.3 million Jewish people in the world, 43% reside in Israel." Any comment for this Eric? Or do you not pay attention to the statistics above? If "Israel" is gathered, why are they not all in Israel?

Thank you Alan for your time and response.

I am not saying the other 10 tribes didn't exist at all. They did and still do. And they are getting to see the Lords work on the cross just like their brothers the Jews do. Just under the guise of the term 'gentiles'. You quoted James. He tells it all right there.

Well NN, those are good questions. When you notice - that the Kingdom of Israel, (the northern tribes, called Samaria), which was separated from the Kingdom of Judah, (the southern tribes, called Jews) mentioned in the OT books,[hence the hateful division between the Samaritans and the Jews in Jesus' day], and as a body of Israelites, have never returned to Israel, except a few scattered here and there - you will see the reason why Paul mentions the Jews by name in the verses you quote. The very low population of returning Jews to Jerusalem, the city of David, in the land of JUDAH, testifies to this fact - besides the only tribes mentioned in the return were of Judah and Benjamin and Levi, in the books of the OT where it is recorded - you may find answers to those questions. Just look up Jews in any Bible search engine and follow the verses to see it. It is very interesting to see what we aren't normally taught in church about the return to the land of Israel of the Jews, not of the whole House of Israel. Jesus Christ was of the lineage of Judah. That does not make him a follower of the "Jews' religion" - which was the, then, modern teaching of Judaism, which was far from being what Moses had taught. So he was a bloodline Jew, but not a religious Jew - the religious Jew of that day. And as for Gentiles - the common teaching goes like this - anyone not a Jew, is a gentile - which makes anyone, (including the tribes of the northern Kingdom of Israel), gentiles - needing adoption into the Israel of God.

Yes you are correct NN, by the time of Jesus Christ being born of Mary, Jew was a term for more than just the tribe of Judah, but with the exception that the only people described as Jews were of the southern tribes, after the Northern tribes were scattered. The 2 tribes of Judah and Benjamin combined with each other as well as a partial group of the Levitical priests. And the term Jew only started after the books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, and 1 Kings. That's a LONG timeline where nobody was called a Jew. In fact, the name Jew didn't even occur until the Captivity, in the book of Esther 2:5 - and it was identifying a member of the tribe of Benjamin! Of course the word 'Jews' did occur starting in 2 Kings, WAY AFTER Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, as well as all of the original 12 tribe 'namees'! But never in the singular person way. Hence, even though men have adopted the term Jew today as 'anyone' who is Jewish, it never represented the Whole House of Israel. So Abraham was not a Jew as Alan said, neither is, or as Alan said, "Anyone in the linage of Abraham is a Jew" a true statement. Yes, it does.

Alan, You state: "The liberal, modernist, wolves in sheep’s clothing, and false teachers in the various churches, cannot understand (or appreciate), the testimony of the scriptures concerning the work of Christ, typology, and His character." And: "I must remind the reader that Charles Laymon uses the Revised Standard Version of the Bible." Along with: "Charles Laymon is unable to understand the typology of the scriptures. Therefore, he is spiritually not discerned and his teaching on Preterism is erroneous. Charles Laymon and the Jehovah’s Witnesses are also in agreement with this faulty translation." Do I understand you correctly that because they use this faulty version they are blind to the true interpretation of scripture? If so, does the reverse apply to those who use the proper version? If so, why would you make this statement: "The Lord Jesus is a Jew. Anybody in the linage of Abraham is a Jew. The Jews, whether lost or saved, are the brethren of the Lord Jesus. “He came unto his own, and his own received him not.”John 1:11 The Lord Jesus, a Jew, came into His own people, the Jewish nation of Israel, but, only a remnant received Him as Saviour." You state that "Jesus was a Jew". You are correct. He was of the tribe of Judah. Because the OT word in the original language where we get "Jew" is "a descendant of Judah". You state "Anybody in the linage of Abraham is a Jew" and you are wrong. The Judah from which the name Jew originates was not born for several decades. Abraham was never a Jew. You state "...the Jewish nation of Israel..." as if Israel were only Jews, and you are wrong. There were Reubenites, Simeonites, Levites, Judahites, Danites, Naphtalites, Gadites, Asherites, Issacharites, Zebulunites, Josephites, and Benjamites. Jews, according to every Hebrew and Chaldee source, means "descendants of Judah" or "Judahites". What do you think? Is it accurate to make these statements? Especially when there are no sources to say such? Maybe you could enlarge on this a bit?

Um... Acts 7:2-53 - What about what Stephen said - 2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran, 3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee. 4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell. 5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child. 6 And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years. 7 And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place. 8 And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs. 9 And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him, 10 And delivered him out of all his afflictions, and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house. 11 Now there came a dearth over all the land of Egypt and Chanaan, and great affliction: and our fathers found no sustenance. 12 But when Jacob heard that there was corn in Egypt, he sent out our fathers first. 13 And at the second time Joseph was made known to his brethren; and Joseph's kindred was made known unto Pharaoh. 14 Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls. 15 So Jacob went down into Egypt, and died, he, and our fathers, 16 And were carried over into Sychem, and laid in the sepulchre that Abraham bought for a sum of money of the sons of Emmor the father of Sychem. 17 But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which God had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt, 18 Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph. 19 The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live. 20 In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father's house three months: 21 And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son. 22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds. 23 And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel. 24 And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian: 25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not. 26 And the next day he shewed himself unto them as they strove, and would have set them at one again, saying, Sirs, ye are brethren; why do ye wrong one to another? 27 But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us? 28 Wilt thou kill me, as thou diddest the Egyptian yesterday? 29 Then fled Moses at this saying, and was a stranger in the land of Madian, where he begat two sons. 30 And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush. 31 When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the Lord came unto him, 32 Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold. 33 Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground. 34 I have seen, I have seen the affliction of my people which is in Egypt, and I have heard their groaning, and am come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send thee into Egypt. 35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush. 36 He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years. 37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. 38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: 39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt, 40 Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him. 41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. 42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? 43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon. 44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. 45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David; 46 Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob. 47 But Solomon built him an house. 48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, 49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? 50 Hath not my hand made all these things? 51 Ye stiff necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. Has that definition changed?

Amen! Great David!

I did add one more verse Wretched in my above response. John 3:17- "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." There was the Lord's purpose. We already know we are condemned. He came to save us, by the foolishness of preaching His love. My thoughts are on that love - I hope yours will be too.

And thank you to Jim_Alaska for your statements also.