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Everything posted by Genevanpreacher

  1. Except Alan's lie of "the Lord said...". Alan makes up a new doctrine, and yes, WW, anything taught IS doctrine, and Alan is perverted in his Bible study just enough to prove the masses reading this thread that we must all be fools.
  2. You have to be the vainest minister I have ever come across Alan. You can't answer those verses I asked about can you? I added nothing to God's word, but you have added multiple imaginations to support your very weak opinion of what you interpret that the scriptures mean. How dare you be so firmly hard shell about saying that "Nothing" I said was worthy of studying!!! I DO NOT reject, and HAVE NOT rejected in ANY shape or form, neither of your 2 references named above!! AND to say this - "Genevanpreacher wants the scriptures to say the words of the prophets and the words of the Lord Jesus the way he wants them to say them or he will not believe. In doing so, he twists the words of scripture to take away their meaning and doctrine. I prefer to believe the scriptures as they are written and not how I think they should be written" is EXACTLY what you have done!! Wow! You have TOTALLY gone off the deep end Alan, you might as well hang up your KJV and move on to something worthy of such nonsense as to lie about me, when there is PLENTY of questions you have not answered, and PLENTY of verses you have NO answer for, which totally refute your imaginations about Jesus Christ telling us that Paul is the 12th apostle, which he NEVER did, and then claim YOU have this secret code of understanding the real meaning behind the actual words of the God of all creation that he had written down for all of us to read directly. I refute your belief as nonsense.
  3. And, Alan, the Lord Jesus did open their minds before he left, to understand the scriptures - which included Psalms - "And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures" Don't you think this is HOW they got the idea to replace Judas? Open your eyes a leeeetle wider.
  4. And Alan, just where am I twisting the Lord Jesus' words?? Show me wrong. The apostle's had the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit that would guide the disciples, called apostle's, into all truth - "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you." (John 16:13-15)
  5. Alan, if you would read a little in more detail, you would see that I am not arguing that Paul was not an apostle, but I do say he was not, nor ever shall be, one of the 12 disciples, which the Lord Jesus called 'apostles' - And not 'Apostles', as a title. You say the Lord called him, (or called him to be), one of the 12 apostle's. There is no verse, or set of verses, in your Bible that states such, and to say there is, is deceitful to those reading this thread. (Why anyone else would support you is astounding - As well as surprising.) Let me quote you Alan - "Brethren, The Lord Jesus personally chose Paul, then called Saul, as the 12th. Apostle, to replace Judas Iscariot." (No verses say this!) "Brethren, There are only 12 Apostles and Paul was the 12th Apostle to replace Judas Iscariot." (Again, no verses say this!) "I explained the study on Paul the Apostle as the 12th Apostle to replace Judas Iscariot, more than adequately, in my estimation." (Without one verse that says this!) "Paul is clearly the replacement of the office of Judas Iscariot in fulfillment of Psalm 109:8, "Let his days be few; and another take his office." (Without one verse that says such!) "The Lord Jesus verbally called Paul as the Apostle to replace the office of Judas Iscariot in order to fulfill Psalm 109:8" (No such words came out of the Lord Jesus' mouth!) "The facts concerning the calling of Paul to replace Judas Iscariot, in his office of an Apostle, are as I wrote them in accordance to the doctrines of the scriptures." (Except you gave no verses to show for that so-called doctrine, Alan!) It looks like you are the one who needs to apologize.
  6. Nope. Not one verse you quoted said that. Not one time does the scriptures say that Paul replaced Judas...not once! Yet Alan says it does. Keep looking though. Maybe it's there...maybe. Or maybe you believe a man made doctrine.
  7. So I guess that's an amen to throwing out the facts and reliability of what the word of God actually says. You all are just amazing.
  8. As for the silly idea that the 12 apostles were not led by the Holy Spirit before pentecost - the Lord Jesus gave'm him - well, here, once again let God tell us - in John 20 - 21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:" And as stated before, the actual English word means 'sent for a particular reason', then we all are apostles. For who would deny that the 'great commission' is not for us all? 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. And that is a direct quote from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ himself. Not Bro. Greene. Nor Alan. But as some here would deny even these things for a private interpretation, I guess we could just throw those verses out too.
  9. Alan, I did not reference Bro. Green because he is a man, and not the word of God. That's all. I care not for some 20th century mans opinion. Respected or not.
  10. Thick headed? Maybe. I am just tired of 'men of God' saying the scriptures mean grape juice when the drink was indeed alcoholic. Otherwise why the warning in 1 Timothy 3:3 and 3:8, of which nobody has touched on? A book about the supposed English translations from various languages of men stating different views on 'wine' makes no difference to me. There are just as many 'testimonies' to the contrary from other men. Of course the Temperance society was going to explain why there were two different interpretations, one to show Jesus drank juice, and one that states alcohol is evil. Just because something has alcohol in it that doesn't mean someone gets inebriated and loses control. Take Nyquil for an example. Used as a medication by probably most Christians, without getting the least bit inebriated in a 'deceivable and sinful way'.
  11. Anyone 'called' is given the 'apostleship' just like Paul did. We are also called to be apostles. Look carefully below - Romans 1 - 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: Do you see it?
  12. Acts 14:14 - "Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,..." The word "apostles" just means someone 'sent'. From about the 12th century this word existed, and meant anyone 'sent' for a cause. Scripture in the above verse proves that out, and disproves that Paul was the 'so-called' 12th apostle. In the NT anyone who was 'sent' out to do the Lord's work was an apostle, but not necessarily of the original 12 disciples, which the Lord Jesus called apostles.
  13. Are you the originator of this thoughtline? I have NEVER heard this before your last thread, and I find it FANTASTIC that very few have called you on this. I believe the scriptures teach, as they say. Matthias was chosen. Paul was the Gentile preacher and Peter the Jew's preacher. Paul even is recorded in Galatians 2 as such, separated from Peter's ministry. 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
  14. And look at all the 'acts' ... Philip was not an Apostle. Barnabas was not an Apostle. Stephen was not an Apostle. Or were they? Yes, but not of the 12.
  15. And quotes from history translated from a language most do not understand? And printed during a ministry drive for the National Temperance Society. For the 'support' against alcoholic beverages. Hardly a balanced Bible study kinda people. Meanwhile...what about 1 Timothy 3:3 & 3:8 as questioned above?
  16. Then why the warnings in 1 Tim 3:3 and 3:8 for a bishop and a deacon to not be "given to wine" and "given to much wine"? If it weren't harmful in being 'given to wine' or 'given to much wine', since it was 'fruit juice', why would they bother paying heed to these verses? The implications are that these words for 'wine' mean alcoholic based.
  17. You are of course allowed to have your own opinion. I just wish you weren't so high and lifted up on this site. Then people might be able to really learn. Instead they get a little learning mixt up with a little trash. Your vanity has been much magnified this day Alan, and that surprises me not one iota. Paul the 12th apostle? What a joke.
  18. Well here's another great 'christian' attitude.
  19. Read my last post please. And when did I say that - "You said the replacement HAD to be at the last supper".
  20. This is just your opinion with no support at all in the scriptures. Matthias was the replacement for Judas, regardless of when the Holy Spirit showed up at Pentecost. The Spirit showed up, not for giving wisdom on who would replace Judas, but for the wisdom on what to say to spread the gospel to all those in Jerusalem on that day. As for your comment about Peter "speaking in all of his Spirit-less carnality" - that is just plain not true. If it had been before the Lord showed himself after his death, I would possibly agree, but Peter had been converted after he saw Jesus Christ alive. As for the Holy Spirit being the reason for your comment, I assume you think the 'baptism of the Holy Ghost' was their point of conversion, which is not true. When they saw The Lord Jesus alive after he died, they truly did believe he was the Christ for sure! That is where conversion occurs - in true full belief in Jesus as the Christ, the Son of the Living God! Excuses for twisting the scripture are just as blasphemous as cursing God. The 11 Apostles were lead by God's Spirit to replace Judas as the scriptures said must be done...and they did it...and nobody can change that. One good example of NOT studying this subject is your reference above from 1 Corinthians 4, where you miss the point of the term 'apostles' - observe the highlighted words please - 9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men. 10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised. 11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwelling place; 12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: 13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day. Notice the words "we both"? Paul and who? The 11 other apostle's? No. Who was the other apostle with Paul? Barnabas was. Barnabas was the 13th apostle? Not the kind of apostle you would think, but he was. We are all apostles, just not of the original 12 that were chosen by God, which included Matthias. Making up a silly 'doctrine' about Matthias not being the 12th apostle is just that...silly.
  21. Yes, Alan, evidently I must've been. I should have made a softer answer, but can't change the past. I try to stand for accuracy, and unless I am just ignorant on a subject, I try to keep my mouth shut. If I have, what I think would be helpful information, I try to say it with authority, and try not to look like a fool. Sometimes I fail. Sometimes I don't - some here just view it as a failure. But you know WAY back when you stated that Paul replaced Judas as the twelfth 'apostle', you lost any resemblance of being knowledgeable enough to state other things with authority. Yet, that doesn't mean, in my eyes, that you are a failure, you just look like one by that statement. Sometimes we say things, mistakenly, and don't see the error till later. Hopefully, unless I missed seeing it in this thread, you see the error of the statement that Paul replaced Judas, as that teaches error about how the Lord already replaced Judas with Matthias. As a man of God, are you humble enough to proclaim God's word more accurate than your stated opinion? No where do the Holy Scriptures state that Paul's name would be on the foundation of the city of gold. It states "the twelve apostles of the Lamb" - just like when Jesus himself stated "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." and compared to "Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel." The Lord Jesus was speaking to them that were there, and not to, or about, Paul. Yet Judas fell as the Lord knew he would - "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." The scripture was fulfilled, and Peter and the other apostle's replaced him, in Acts 1 - "For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. Paul does not fulfill the needs of this position at all.
  22. I am the same WW. Til someone started talking about it on OB, I never heard of it. And that someone was RSS robot. I think that kinda info useless.
  23. I wouldn't want it either. Mostly this stuff is charismatic sounding useless info, given from questionable sources and opinions based on nothing. The ministry is comparable to conspiracy theory type sites, and I don't understand why it's such a main thread here on OB. Regardless of Mr. Swindoll. I am curious though - why do you think he is a "heretic"?
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