If today was election day...

[John81]

And how good are your *convictions* going to do you when the thug outlaws the Bible and the CP? He's already trying to suppress dissidence. That's what totalitarians do.


I'm not talking about the Second Coming, I'm talking about this next election. This is the secular world here, and it's very possible to argue things have gotten very bad and that's no reason to aid and abet evil further. You're doing exactly what George Soros wants you to do. :roll

As someone else has already said, it's always about choosing the lesser of the two evils, even when your precious Ron Paul was on the ticket. Like I said, do whatever you please, but I'm post-mil and have no idea if and when a Rapture will occur, and I'm not going to just let some Chicago thugs take over the government.

God desires that we follow and obey Him regardless of outside circumstances. God is more than capable of keeping His remnant safe even if Obama is elected just as God is more than capable of allowing the anti-christian forces to outlaw the Bible even if McCain is elected.

We are to trust God, not our own thinking, and believe God that He will use our honouring Him for His purposes and that His will shall be done.

[Guest Guest]

I hope the two that voted that they're boycotting the election are just joking.... That's like saying "I don't care how much my one little vote counts... I'm not going to stand for anything in this election" Seriously, I'd write in someone before I totally boycott the whole thing. At least a write-in is still taking a stand for something. :smile

Just my :2cents

[John81]

I hope the two that voted that they're boycotting the election are just joking.... That's like saying "I don't care how much my one little vote counts... I'm not going to stand for anything in this election" Seriously, I'd write in someone before I totally boycott the whole thing. At least a write-in is still taking a stand for something. :smile

Just my :2cents

I wouldn't boycott an entire election simply because there are so many others to vote for, often including local offices and referendums and such. In most states you don't have to vote on every issue/open office so if a person didn't want to vote for president, or any other office, they could skip that while still voting for other offices and issues.

[anime4christ]

Yeah, I agree. And that only makes my argument stronger in that we should be more careful before we choose to attack a country. Israel had a very solid reason to attack and our coutnry needs one just as solid before attacking.

[trc123]

When God spoke and told Israel to attack did he speak to just one leader or group of leaders? Or did he speak to the entire nation?

[Kubel]

No option for Bob Barr of the Libertarian Party?

[trc123]

If the election were today, we'd be on our way to higher taxes and more unemployment and we'd be commanded to pray for President Obama.

[Pastor Matt]

No option for Bob Barr of the Libertarian Party?

You will have to take that up with the author of the poll. :lol

[speerjp1]

A vote under duress is not a vote of freedom.

Being pressured to vote for someone who doesn't stand for the Constitution of these United States because he is the "lesser of two evils" or because "a vote against him is a vote for Obama" is something I've come to loathe over the past year.

If I vote for McCain, I vote against the United States Constitution (re: McCain/Feingold). If I vote for Obama I vote against the United States Constitution (re: Anti-Gun stance). Both candidates have demonstrated a disdain for the document that would govern their power.

I refuse ever again to vote in a way that is based on anything other than my convictions based in God's Word and the Constitution of the United States.

I'll digress with a question: Has voting for the lesser of two evils for the last 30 years kept our nation from going socialist/progressive?

If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got. :cooldude:

[Pastor Matt]

No matter who you vote for you are voting for evil of some kind. Only God is perfect and has no evil in him.

[Anon]

I'm not arguing, rather just throwing something out.

Ross Perot was probably the biggest third party impact anybody has had in a very long time, outside of the main two parties. Yet with his great following, he only got what, 12% of the vote? If that? (I can't remember)

If Christians really truly want a third party candidate to get in there, then they have to do alot more than just sit around discussing their vote 6 months before the election date. Ya know? There has to be people going to Congress and asking for rules to be changed....people insisting fair coverage from the media...people working on this 4 years before the next election...starting NOW. Third party candidates get reputations as nut jobs, because weird people follow them. We need to get somebody normal up there, with normal people following them AND normal people working HARD behind the scenes to insure that the people know the candidate is out there.

Right now I'm voting McCain (everyone knows this by now LOL) because I'm anxious to keep Obama out. (Won't happen though, by the looks of it.) I hope Palin runs next time, and I'll vote for her. However if I can see a true effort by a third party to really do things right and be able to gain a following and make an impact, I'll consider voting for them.

I have a bad feeling this isn't going to be read the way I intended it to be read...oh well... :hide

(And true Bro Matt....nobody is perfect....we can disagree with everybody)

[Annie]

If Christians really truly want a third party candidate to get in there, then they have to do alot more than just sit around discussing their vote 6 months before the election date. Ya know?

From what I've read and heard, the goal is not to get a third-party president elected, but rather to "make a point" to the Republican party that if their candidate wants to get elected in the future, he'd better have certian qualities (pro-life, conservative constitutional view, fiscally responsible, and whatever else). IOW, people are intentionally trying to sabotage this election in order to send this message to the Republicans. They say they are "voting their conscience," which may be true in some cases (although I can't see how anyone can, in good conscience, cast their vote for Obama in this way--I think that to describe this as "voting your conscience" indicates that one's conscience is perceiving things inaccurately). But the bigger aim for a large number of people is to put an electable, major-party candidate on the platform for a future election...not to get what they want right now.

[HappyChristian]

Yes, I think you hit it, Annie. The problem with that, though, is that these third party candidates can pull away enough voters so that Obama will get in. If, however, McCain got in, there would be a chance for Palin to then run. I know, horrors at the thought of a woman president. But it could just be that it's time for a "Deborah" in the land!

[Anon]

Oh I know...I hope those who are trying to "make a point" will be happy that that point will be quickly forgotten under the terror reign of Obama....

I am fine with voting your conscience...but if you are just trying to make a point, well, this election is more important than that right now.

[joyfulpraise93]

Oh I know...I hope those who are trying to "make a point" will be happy that that point will be quickly forgotten under the terror reign of Obama....

I am fine with voting your conscience...but if you are just trying to make a point, well, this election is more important than that right now.

With all due respect, a lot of folks who are "voting their conscience" have done a lot to make sure others are aware of the 3rd party issues. Perhaps we can't help that there aren't all that many out there that will do it. In some peoples minds and hearts "voting your conscience" means voting in the fear of the Lord and the things he tells us to live by in His Word.

If Obama gets in it will be bad. If McCain gets in it will be bad. Some people can't make themselves vote for someone they really believe will bring their nation to it's knees, even if it means someone else will get in and do the same. Before God, they just can't compromise what they believe! I think one should always vote their conscience...no matter who gets in or what happens they did what they believed was right.

I think that goes for everyone. Those voting for 3rd party or those voting for McCain. If you can do what you're doing before God and feel that's really what he'd have you do...then do it with all your heart.