Celebrating General Lee's 202nd Birthday

[pneu-engine]

:gross: Do we have to have this sort of thing posted here? I suspect there are a number of us who are getting tired of reading how "great" the confederacy was...

I'll second that motion. :thumb

I am so sick of hearing how great and wunnnnnnnnnnnerful the confederacy was that I could literally puke. Many of those confeds are still blasting away at Abe Lincoln but not a single one of them was there at the time to see for themselves as to what they heard was true. <<>>

[John81]

This isn't a thread about the Confederacy, it's a thread about a Christian gentleman.

One thing to consider, we all have the option not to read or participate in any thread we don't like.

[JerryNumbers]

This isn't a thread about the Confederacy, it's a thread about a Christian gentleman.

One thing to consider, we all have the option not to read or participate in any thread we don't like.

If they wanted to consider that they would not have said this topic makes them throw up.

John, The thing is, there are things on this board I don't care to hear about, and such things as that I will click on maybe once, maybe twice, never posting and usually never click back on them again, most of the time not even the 2nd time. And I do so without saying to them, this topic makes me throw up.

But I see other don't necessarily do that, I do it because I know its the right thing to do, treat others as I wish them to treat me.

[HappyChristian]

[offtopic]Robert E. lee was a man of principle! People today may not agree with his decisions, but they need to remember that they weren't there at the time the decisions needed to be made!!! I'm not a confederate, nor am I a yankee. I was born in Seattle, which had nothing to do with either side. :Bleh But I know the constitution....and lincoln was wrong.[/offtopic]

lee and Stonewall were godly men. Whether or not one agrees with their politics doesn't change that!

[John81]

If they wanted to consider that they would not have said this topic makes them throw up.

John, The thing is, there are things on this board I don't care to hear about, and such things as that I will click on maybe once, maybe twice, never posting and usually never click back on them again, most of the time not even the 2nd time. And I do so without saying to them, this topic makes me throw up.

But I see other don't necessarily do that, I do it because I know its the right thing to do, treat others as I wish them to treat me.

Wise words Jerry! :thumb

If there is a topic I don't like or something I see no need to discuss, I simply pass it by and allow others to continue as they will.

[John81]

[offtopic]Robert E. lee was a man of principle! People today may not agree with his decisions' date=' but they need to remember that they weren't there at the time the decisions needed to be made!!! I'm not a confederate, nor am I a yankee. I was born in Seattle, which had nothing to do with either side. :Bleh But I know the constitution....and lincoln was wrong.[/offtopic']

lee and Stonewall were godly men. Whether or not one agrees with their politics doesn't change that!

I'm not a Confederate or Yankee either; I'm a child of God with citizenship in heaven. :thumb

[okjac80]

Thomas Jonathon (stonewall) Jackson deserves his own day! LOL
Oh, and James Ewel Brown (Jeb) Stuart should't be left out either. :smile His last words were "I am resigned; God's will be done."

[PastorHarrison]

You do a little reading about the South's leaders and you find whether you like or not, that an uncanny number of them carried, believed, and would die for the same Bible we promote on this site. You also find that revivals and prayer meetings swept the southern ranks routinely and that countless thousands were saved during teaching / preaching service led by their own leaders.

I get rather disappointed to hear when a seemingly intelligent person says they're tired of hearing anything that seeks to honor the death of so many thousands of American men, women and children.

Tired of honoring the thousands upon thousands of God fearing men & women and children died defending their rights (study your history) and tired of hearing about the blood shed....the raped women, the burned churches.... tired of hearing about the praying Generals who loved the Lord and stood in the face of a maniac president and said "no".

Well.... not me.... I'll be honoring them from the pulpit, from my home and I 'spect, from a jail cell afore Obama is done 'introducing reform' to America.

[John81]

You do a little reading about the South's leaders and you find whether you like or not, that an uncanny number of them carried, believed, and would die for the same Bible we promote on this site. You also find that revivals and prayer meetings swept the southern ranks routinely and that countless thousands were saved during teaching / preaching service led by their own leaders.

I get rather disappointed to hear when a seemingly intelligent person says they're tired of hearing anything that seeks to honor the death of so many thousands of American men, women and children.

Tired of honoring the thousands upon thousands of God fearing men & women and children died defending their rights (study your history) and tired of hearing about the blood shed....the raped women, the burned churches.... tired of hearing about the praying Generals who loved the Lord and stood in the face of a maniac president and said "no".

Well.... not me.... I'll be honoring them from the pulpit, from my home and I 'spect, from a jail cell afore Obama is done 'introducing reform' to America.

Preach on!!!

[HappyChristian]

You do a little reading about the South's leaders and you find whether you like or not, that an uncanny number of them carried, believed, and would die for the same Bible we promote on this site. You also find that revivals and prayer meetings swept the southern ranks routinely and that countless thousands were saved during teaching / preaching service led by their own leaders.

I get rather disappointed to hear when a seemingly intelligent person says they're tired of hearing anything that seeks to honor the death of so many thousands of American men, women and children.

Tired of honoring the thousands upon thousands of God fearing men & women and children died defending their rights (study your history) and tired of hearing about the blood shed....the raped women, the burned churches.... tired of hearing about the praying Generals who loved the Lord and stood in the face of a maniac president and said "no".

Well.... not me.... I'll be honoring them from the pulpit, from my home and I 'spect, from a jail cell afore Obama is done 'introducing reform' to America.

[Guest Guest]

You do a little reading about the South's leaders and you find whether you like or not, that an uncanny number of them carried, believed, and would die for the same Bible we promote on this site

The mormons use the KJV and say they believe it too. Big deal if they ignore and corrupt its teaching...

Here is a letter from the "fine christian man" Robert E Lee.


"December 27, 1856:

I was much pleased the with President's message. His views of the systematic and progressive efforts of certain people at the North to interfere with and change the domestic institutions of the South are truthfully and faithfully expressed. The consequences of their plans and purposes are also clearly set forth. These people must be aware that their object is both unlawful and foreign to them and to their duty, and that this institution, for which they are irresponsible and non-accountable, can only be changed by them through the agency of a civil and servile war. There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influences of Christianity than from the storm and tempest of fiery controversy. This influence, though slow, is sure. The doctrines and miracles of our Saviour have required nearly two thousand years to convert but a small portion of the human race, and even among Christian nations what gross errors still exist! While we see the course of the final abolition of human slavery is still onward, and give it the aid of our prayers, let us leave the progress as well as the results in the hands of Him who, chooses to work by slow influences, and with whom a thousand years are but as a single day. Although the abolitionist must know this, must know that he has neither the right not the power of operating, except by moral means; that to benefit the slave he must not excite angry feelings in the master; that, although he may not approve the mode by which Providence accomplishes its purpose, the results will be the same; and that the reason he gives for interference in matters he has no concern with, holds good for every kind of interference with our neighbor, -still, I fear he will persevere in his evil course. . . . Is it not strange that the descendants of those Pilgrim Fathers who crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom have always proved the most intolerant of the spiritual liberty of others?"

So, we have in this letter Lee freely admitting that slavery is both a moral and political "evil". That admission on his part frees us from proving this to be the case.

He then goes on to say in his own words that the "painful discipline"(illustrating that it is a modern southern myth that the slaves were usually happy and kindly treated) is for the blacks own good. This is the same line of thought as that of modern day big government liberals. AKA "we are going to take away your rights, we hate to do it, but it is for your own good". Rather than the "painful discipline" of slavery being for the "good of the slaves", I think, in the wisdom of God, our nation suffered the "painful discipline" of a civil war for the national good...

Then he says that: "the mild and melting influences of Christianity" is what should bring an end to slavery, ignoring the fact that the same issue divided the colonies at the revolutionary war but then the north bent for the sake unity within the thirteen colonies. A generation had passed since then and the south had plenty of time to "phase out" slavery on their own had they wished to do so as some claim. How long of a "phase out" did they have in mind? Hundreds of years? From his letter it sounds like thousands of years may have been what he had in mind...

Lastly and probably most inexcusably, he complains about abolitionists being "intolerant" of the "spiritual liberty" of others after already having admitted himself that slavery is morally evil. What kind of twisted logic is that? Since when is doing evil to someone else a "spiritual liberty"?

This sort of logic is pretty much identical to the democrats who say that abortion is a moral tragedy. They say it is sad, regrettable, etc. and then loudly proclaim that no one should prevent a womans "right" to "choose"(ie. murder an unborn child). They claim that the great moral issue of our day should phased out by education etc. rather than being prohibited. Just what some southerners (like Lee) said. In both cases it is hypocrisy and a feeble attempt to sooth a guilty conscience.

Now I understand perfectly well that all the motives of the North and its men were not purity and holiness, never the less I firmly believe that the civil war was a judgment of God upon our nation for the hypocrisy of understanding the evils of slavery and failing to do anything about it. John brown was a wicked man but he was right about one thing, the righteousness of God did indeed require that the land be purged with blood. I fear that our nation will again one day face a great judgment of blood for the great evil of our day... abortion...

[matie-k]

I'll second that motion. :thumb

Ditto

[JerryNumbers]

Seems to me he said slavery was wrong and that God was working it out at His own speed.

<<"This influence, though slow, is sure. The doctrines and miracles of our Saviour have required nearly two thousand years to convert but a small portion of the human race, and even among Christian nations what gross errors still exist!">>

And that he was standing for state rights, of which we have very few in 2009.

Seth, I hope your not throwing up no more over this topic. :roll

[John81]

Seems to me he said slavery was wrong and that God was working it out at His own speed.

<<"This influence, though slow, is sure. The doctrines and miracles of our Saviour have required nearly two thousand years to convert but a small portion of the human race, and even among Christian nations what gross errors still exist!">>

And that he was standing for state rights, of which we have very few in 2009.

Seth, I hope your not throwing up no more over this topic. :roll

That's true Jerry. If you take Lee's words and actions as a whole he believed the slaves should be led to Christ and prepared for freedom. Lee supported plans for gradual emancipation that would enable all parties to be prepared for the change. The abolitionists Lee did condemn were those who demanded immediate freedom for the slaves without any regard for their well being, everyone elses well being, the economic consequences, and especially the spiritual consequeces.

Every other civilized nation ended slavery peacefully and in a phased manner just as Lee supported.

In memory of the birthdays of General Lee and General Stonewall Jackson and to the glory of God, we sent extra donations to two different ministries. General Lee and General Jackson both set a fine example of giving to the cause of Christ.

[JerryNumbers]

Maybe the north thought the rich plantation owners in the south had way to much money so slavery was their excuse to steal it. Seems to me General Lee and others were working towards that end. We all know what happened after the war, carpetbagger flooded the south taking advantage of everyone with legalized stealing from the southern.

But is no different today, listen to the Christians who say the government ought to do this and that while on the other hand criticizing most everything the government does.

One thing, I don't think one will find all truths in the history books, and even if one does they probably will not recognize them.