Should We Obey The Government If They Make The Vaccines Mandatory?

[Salyan]

18 minutes ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

Since this thread is all on topic and about the COVID VACCINES,  how could we keep Covid out of it ? 

Actually, it’s about whether or not to obey the government. I said ‘as much as possible’, and it is possible, so try.

[Martyr_4_FutureJoy]

Better not. (if it is the mark)  Whoever receives the mark will never enter the Kingdom of heaven, according to all Scripture.    They indicate trusting man/ government instead of trusting God and Jesus and God's Word ,   by receiving the mark.   According to Scripture only,  no one who receives the mark will be able to repent , ever,  to be saved.  It is too late for whoever receives the mark - they are condemned already because of unbelief.

  

9 minutes ago, SureWord said:

I'm resisting as long as I can but if they threaten me physically or with a detainment camp I probably will take the pre-Mark.

 

Edited July 27, 2021 by jeff_student_of_Jesus

[Salyan]

Okay, very off topic! No mark discussions... back to the OP!

[Ukulelemike]

The government really cannot make the vaccines mandatory. Private businesses can, some do, but many won't, because to do so sets them up to be sued, should an employee die after their mandatory shot. 

Now, I work for the federal government, and there are rumblings that they will make them mandatory for federal employees, and if you refuse, that's fine, you just lose your job. I need to consider this carefully, as I am just a few years from retirement, and could literally lose everything I have worked for the last 30 years.

Let me say, I am not afraid of the shot, any more than I am afraid of the virus. I have chosen not to take it on principle, but I could as easily take it. With my wife passed on now, without benefit of getting Covid, I don't need to take her well-being into consideration, should I react badly to it-If I die, I go to heaven to join her, so no big loss. More likely I would spend a few days taking large doses of Vitamin C, D and Zinc before taking the shot, so my body is prepared.

[SureWord]

I'm...I hope ya'll realize I was being facetious by saying it was a "pre-Mark".

1 minute ago, Ukulelemike said:

The government really cannot make the vaccines mandatory. Private businesses can, some do, but many won't, because to do so sets them up to be sued, should an employee die after their mandatory shot. 

Now, I work for the federal government, and there are rumblings that they will make them mandatory for federal employees, and if you refuse, that's fine, you just lose your job. I need to consider this carefully, as I am just a few years from retirement, and could literally lose everything I have worked for the last 30 years.

Let me say, I am not afraid of the shot, any more than I am afraid of the virus. I have chosen not to take it on principle, but I could as easily take it. With my wife passed on now, without benefit of getting Covid, I don't need to take her well-being into consideration, should I react badly to it-If I die, I go to heaven to join her, so no big loss. More likely I would spend a few days taking large doses of Vitamin C, D and Zinc before taking the shot, so my body is prepared.

Don't forget Quercetin or another flavonol which helps the body absorb the zinc. 

[Disciple.Luke]

6 hours ago, Salyan said:

Okay, very off topic! No mark discussions... back to the OP!

The question was much easier with the focus on COVID, because the larger vaccination question is so much more complicated.

I can tell you for sure that you will never see me post anything on here attempting to identify the "mark" like Hal Lindsey and Van Impe.(That comment isn't a jab at you SureWord...I'm talking about people who play "pin the tail" on the antichrist and the mark and are always wrong)

I suppose  my answer would be similar as my view of the covid vaccine - that you could make a case either way on which position to take. 

I personally would fall somewhere in middle. As a father I know how many vaccines my kids have had to have to just attend school and for the most part I see them as a positive thing. On the other hand if mysterious viruses continue to seemingly come out of nowhere and I continue to see ads on TV and YouTube practically begging the unvaccinated to join the others like a marketing scheme I will become suspicious and hesitant to just do what "most" people are doing.

The issue for me is a very grey area and my reaction to the government forcing vaccines on the public would vary depending on the situation and what it's for. I would do what I felt was right and biblical over a man made government any day.

Edited July 28, 2021 by Disciple.Luke

[BrotherTony]

6 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

The government really cannot make the vaccines mandatory. Private businesses can, some do, but many won't, because to do so sets them up to be sued, should an employee die after their mandatory shot. 

Now, I work for the federal government, and there are rumblings that they will make them mandatory for federal employees, and if you refuse, that's fine, you just lose your job. I need to consider this carefully, as I am just a few years from retirement, and could literally lose everything I have worked for the last 30 years.

Let me say, I am not afraid of the shot, any more than I am afraid of the virus. I have chosen not to take it on principle, but I could as easily take it. With my wife passed on now, without benefit of getting Covid, I don't need to take her well-being into consideration, should I react badly to it-If I die, I go to heaven to join her, so no big loss. More likely I would spend a few days taking large doses of Vitamin C, D and Zinc before taking the shot, so my body is prepared.

Thankfully my wife and I have been on that regimine since the beginning of this "crisis." It was something we had learned back in the 1990s when we were associates with Herbalife. We've had SOME herbal medicine training, and Herblife, at that time, seemed to be a very good company to be an associate with. With our underlying health conditions, we have been told NOT to take the vaccination. They will give it to us if we want, but my ENT specialist didn't recommend it in my case. My primary care doctor and my wife's primary care doctor (both in the same practice) both told us that it was pretty much up to us, but unless it was MANDATORY they wouldn't recommend it. 

[Martyr_4_FutureJoy]

Anyone remember MANDATORY (by governments)  vaccines for the helpless little ones who can't refuse ?    The very ones who suffer the most from those government requirements.

There's always been legal exemptions so far,  wherever I've lived,  and even in the military.

Will they make legal exemptions available for going in a store to shop for groceries, clothes or household items or business supplies or furniture ?   (when the store requires proof of toxic vaccination just to enter the store)

 

[swathdiver]

21 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

Should We Obey The Government If They Make The Vaccines Mandatory?

No.  This American government is not legitimate.  These are not "vaccines", they are gene therapies.  They are deceiving and being deceived, calling evil good and good evil.

I spent about three weeks in the hospital this year because of it, my wife and children all had it.  We have the anti-bodies and have no need for any kind of shot related to the Wuhan Flu.  My father and sister got the shots, they are both now in the poorest health of their lives, both requiring surgery very soon.

There's no need for anyone to take the gene therapies for a virus with a 99% survival rate.  This whole charade defies common sense.

[Martyr_4_FutureJoy]

1 hour ago, swathdiver said:

There's no need for anyone to take the gene therapies for a virus with a 99% survival rate.  This whole charade defies common sense.

"Should We Obey The Government If They Make The Vaccines Mandatory?"

Never let them inject anything if you're not in an extreme situation and with no other choice you know of.

If they offer jail time OR get vaccinated,   I would choose jail time.  I think.  That's what I did in the past after I found out about what is in the shots.   I refused them.  Before I knew what was in the shots,  like when I was 2 years old,  I wasn't old enough to refuse them,  and I knew enough by conscience , by spirit,  by intuition,  but not enough so-called 'knowledge' (what men falsely call knowledge) to tell them NO! No Shots!   Some kids tell them that,  but usually do not have it in their power to stop them.  They are forced to get the shots. (basically any since they started, more and more each decade).

The harm done to everyone is insurmountable.    Not by the shots alone,  but by the enemy system ruling.  It is indeed and in truth all deception - all "This whole charade defies common sense" -

but for time since college at least,  we have fairly often heard the lament:  who has any common sense?

The world / society does not.  The government does not.  The pharmacy does not (so evil are they).

Most sad of all,  most so-called religions including churches do not.   They ignore God instead of seeking Him.

Those who seek God and keep seeking Him learn from Him,  regain "common sense" that is not common.    Learn from God what is right and true and healthy and life giving.

[wretched]

"Despite endless media and political fearmongering about a deadly “pandemic” that for some mysterious reason is not actually visible in real life, most of the country is just saying no, to quote the late First Lady Nancy Reagan, to dangerous, experimental drugs from drug dealers." 

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-28-ama-mandatory-vaccination-healthcare-workers-medical-violence.html

 

[BrotherTony]

17 hours ago, wretched said:

"Despite endless media and political fearmongering about a deadly “pandemic” that for some mysterious reason is not actually visible in real life, most of the country is just saying no, to quote the late First Lady Nancy Reagan, to dangerous, experimental drugs from drug dealers." 

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-28-ama-mandatory-vaccination-healthcare-workers-medical-violence.html

 

I had a pharmacist tell me a few days back that he hated having to give the "jab" to people. They are basically forcing him to give the shot in spite of his personal views. I've never seen it so bad in this country with people being overrun by the fearmongering crowd. But, I take heart in knowing that the Lord is still in control and KNOWS what is going on. The Holy Spirit will guide me in what to do.

[robycop3]

 I had 2 friends die of covid; both were healthy before they got it. 

  I, personally, have been vaxxes against so many diseases I can't remember them all. While I was a USN corpsman & gave more than one vax to others, I was vaxxed against some jungle rots whose names I can't remember. Also, I get a flu shot every year, have had vaxxes against pneumonia, shingles, hep C, polio, DPT, tetanus, smallpox, CHICKEN POX, MUMPS,& rubella, as well as covid, & I have/had no ill effects besides a slightly-sore arm or butt for a day or so. And...I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY OF THE DISEASES I WAS VAXXED AGAINST, except rubella, chickenpox, & mumps when I was a child & the vaxxes against them hadn't yet been made.

  And, my wife & I will get the 3rd shot of covid vax if any of our doctors recommend it. (We are in our 70s)

[BrotherTony]

Robycop3, I forgot you were that old! LOL I knew you were older than me, but couldn't remember just how old you were....For you, since you felt you needed the shots, good for you! I never try to stop ANYONE from being vaccinated if they think they should be. It's too bad more people don't show the same courtesy. But, I am not going to worry about that. I've talked with my mother at length about the vaccinations, and she, at the age of 78, has decided NOT to take it. She has had a septuple heart bypass surgery three years ago, and has several other underlying conditions, as do my wife and I, but we neither one have had the vaccines either. We have medical exemption, but if we want the vaccines, we could get it. We have been encouraged not to. So, for the time being, we won't. My birth father is  79 and dying of emphysema and he and my stepmom have both had the vaccines. He's encouraged us to get it, even with the medical exemptions. He recently had a huge rowe with my younger brother who has had a heart attack, open heart surgery and two strokes, but he won't take the vaccine either. My father told him as long as he hadn't had it, he wasn't allowed in his house. He hasn't told me the same thing, since I'm his oldest son, and I wasn't raised by him. He gave up the right to voice his opinion on what I do long ago. I still do take his opinions into consideration, though. I saw him last month for the first time in over 24 years. We've stayed in touch via letter and phone. Still it was good to see him before he passes. We hope to go see him again soon. I've had vaccines for about everything myself, but I had to quit taking the pneumonia, flu and tetanus vaccines because I had a reaction very close to Guillam-Barr syndrome a few years back. My little sister had the syndrome after her influenza vaccine and was paralyzed for over three months and was in a nursing home for nearly six months. It nearly killed her.

[Bouncing Bill]

13 minutes ago, robycop3 said:

 I had 2 friends die of covid; both were healthy before they got it. 

  I, personally, have been vaxxes against so many diseases I can't remember them all. While I was a USN corpsman & gave more than one vax to others, I was vaxxed against some jungle rots whose names I can't remember. Also, I get a flu shot every year, have had vaxxes against pneumonia, shingles, hep C, polio, DPT, tetanus, smallpox, CHICKEN POX, MUMPS,& rubella, as well as covid, & I have/had no ill effects besides a slightly-sore arm or butt for a day or so. And...I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY OF THE DISEASES I WAS VAXXED AGAINST, except rubella, chickenpox, & mumps when I was a child & the vaxxes against them hadn't yet been made.

  And, my wife & I will get the 3rd shot of covid vax if any of our doctors recommend it. (We are in our 70s)

I agree with you. I have been vaccinated against more diseases than I care to think about and have appreciated having some and perhaps a lot of protection. I think the most vaccinations I had in one day was four when I was in basic training at Ft. Jackson, SC. I have no idea what they were for and did not care. I knew they would help keep me healthy.

I also will take the 3rd show if it becomes available for me. I am older than you. I also realize that the older a person is the more likely that protection given by a shot will not give much if any protection. I was not surprised, but was disappointed that I had no reaction to the COVID shots. A reaction indicated the body is building antibodies to that disease. As I had no reaction I am left not knowing if I have and immunity to COVID or not. I like to think I have some. Therefore, I am careful. I wear a mask whenever I go to a store or anywhere inside, including church. Interestingly, everyone at the church I attend wears a mask during worship including the pastor, except for the sermon. 

There have been people against vaccinations ever since Edward Jenner when in 1796 he vaccinated a lad against Cowpox. Those against vaccines then and now are wrong and they will continue to be wrong in the future.