Windsor Hills Youth Conference - Giving away an AR-15

[war_eagle]

I am the father of 10 children' date=' 6 of them boys. So far 3 of them are out of the nest. We have 3 teenagers in our house right now. I would not want an automatic weapon put in their hands because I consider their lives too precious to even take a chance with them.[/quote']

Again, if it's under proper adult supervision, why do you see it as "taking a chance"?

Statistics have shown over and over that people, including children, who have been properly instructed in the use of firearms are actually safer than those who have not.



I disagree. In my generation and in the part of the country I was raised in, every boy (and most girls) was raised knowing how to shoot and care for a firearm. All of the boys I grew up with have very fulfilling lives. I don't know what you mean by "living on the extreme edge", but I grew up doing all sorts of exciting and "adult" (I'm not sure how you're defining that) things and I'm probably the least "extreme" person I know.

[HappyChristian]

candlelight, Sorry, but I don't really see what living in Cleveland has to do with it! :Green I agree that parents need to teach children. The government has nothing to do with my objections. Obviously I'm not explaining my views right, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. :thumb

(and, yes, I do know that people get saved when they come to church for various promotions. I have no problem with that. But a youth conference is a totally different animal)

[war_eagle]

A gun is a weapon primarily used for killing.

Then how do you explain the number of gun owners who enjoy shooting recreationally and have never killed anybody?

Not counting military experience, I don't know anybody who's ever killed anybody and I know dozens, if not hundreds of gun owners.

A car is a method of transportation primarily used to haul people and things from place to place.

It's still dangerous. Far more people die in traffic accidents than are killed by guns and yet, you still choose to endanger your the lives of your children by putting them in a car.

It ought to be illegal to allow a 13 year old to shoot a gun.

Why? Does this include archery?

When I was in the Army, we spent 3 weeks (all day, every day) on the rifle range qualifying with the M-16.

How many people during your training were injured?

Automatic weapons are extremely dangerous and no child ought to be allowed to play with them.

So, should we rule out all dangerous things for children?

[Guest Guest]

Sorry' date=' but I don't really see what living in Cleveland has to do with it! :Green I agree that parents need to teach children. The government has nothing to do with my objections. Obviously I'm not explaining my views right, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. :thumb[/quote']

Turn on the news! I worked in the C.M.S.D. for 16 years. I have had a gun pointed at me 2 times. Does that answer your question. BTW, they weren't "rinky dink" weapons, either!

candlelight

[HappyChristian]

Chill, friend!! Cleveland isn't the only place things like that happen. Glad that you are okay after your experiences. I AGREE that parents need to teach their children. Giving away an AR-15 at a youth conference is not that! That's all I'm saying.

[OLD fashioned preacher]

I didn't say that WHBC did not have that perogitive, I said OUR church would not GIVE AWAY a weapon, vehicle, etc. When we had our firearms field trip the chidren had to have signed parental consent (that is the parents realm of responsibility) to go. The government in several states say that you cannot have a firearm in a church - that IS NOT their business, it is that church's. I carry, my wife carries. A church we were in for 18 years had a double barrel @ the sound board and 5 armed members seated in various locations. Yes, I realize that unfounded assults in churches are increasing and CNN/Fox don't report most of them. But @ church youth outings we don't give away entertainment and other such items.

[Guest Guest]

Now that you know part of my testimony...I am chillin'. I was a single mother with a small child. BTW, the news doesn't accurately depict 1/2 of what goes on in the Cleveland School District.

LuAnne, we will have to "agree to disagree" then, because some parents can't even get out of bed in the A.M. to properly feed and clothe their children before they go off to school...much less teach their children how to use an automatic weapon. This falls on the school system. As, do numerous other things. This is REALITY! However, the public schools can't teach them how to use a weapon. The IFB churches can, though. The 2 things that attracted me to the IFB church were the KJVO Bible and the gun. We are losing those now, too? Unbelievable?

candlelight

[Guest Guest]

Then how do you explain the number of gun owners who enjoy shooting recreationally and have never killed anybody?

Not counting military experience, I don't know anybody who's ever killed anybody and I know dozens, if not hundreds of gun owners.



It's still dangerous. Far more people die in traffic accidents than are killed by guns and yet, you still choose to endanger your the lives of your children by putting them in a car.



Why? Does this include archery?



How many people during your training were injured?



So, should we rule out all dangerous things for children?

:praise: I am glad to know that someone is taking a stance other than me! I should have known by your screen name...war_eagle. :smile

candlelight

[Guest Guest]

I didn't say that WHBC did not have that perogitive' date=' I said OUR church would not GIVE AWAY a weapon, vehicle, etc. When we had our firearms field trip the chidren had to have signed parental consent (that is the parents realm of responsibility) to go. The government in several states say that you cannot have a firearm in a church - that IS NOT their business, it is that church's. I carry, my wife carries. A church we were in for 18 years had a double barrel @ the sound board and 5 armed members seated in various locations. Yes, I realize that unfounded assults in churches are increasing and CNN/Fox don't report most of them. But @ church youth outings we don't give away entertainment and other such items.[/quote']

OLD fashioned...then, where else is it going to be done? Again, "I will have to agree to disagree with you". Praise the Lord Ohio hasn't changed their stance yet.

candlelight

[Guest Guest]

Good posting, Candlelight! :amen:

[dwayner79]

Just saw this thread... have not read it.

All I have to say is....... AWESOME! Where was this church when I was in the youth group.

:thumb

[Guest Guest]

Good posting' date=' Candlelight! [/quote']

Hello KJV_Princess! Why thank you. We are in the minority on here, though. :smile It is no wonder the USA is falling apart? I didn't realize that most IFB's around the states believed this way? :puzzled: :praise: He placed me where He did! It is good to see you today.

candlelight

[Guest Guest]

Just saw this thread... have not read it.

All I have to say is....... AWESOME! Where was this church when I was in the youth group.

:thumb

:lol dwayner, thank the Lord you are here. At first, I thought I was the "lone" wolf!

candlelight

[HappyChristian]

Just because people don't agree that a youth conference should give away guns...even though they agree that people should teach their kids how to use them. Lone wolf? Nah. Just someone with an opinion like everyone else.

Teaching gun usage is the parents responsibility. Acquiring guns is the parents responsibility. Not the church's. Not the government's. I think it's amazing that people will be all over things saying that it's not the church or the government responsibility in other areas, but giving a weapon to a teen is okay if it gets him to come to a conference.

I doubt there are many people, if any, on here that are more pro-gun than I am. But I am not in favor of giving them away at church. Adults carrying them there, fine. But not giving them to teenagers as a prize for coming to church. I can't believe that people even think it's a good idea! :loco

[Jerry]

Windsor Hills is using the gun giveaway to attract kids to the youth conference. The focus of the conference is' date=' "who will win the AR-15?" I was a teenage boy once. I know how teenagers think. [b']They are not going there for any spiritual reasons, they are going there to try and win the gun (and have a good time shooting off the automatic weapons as well). It is pathetic that independent Baptists have to stoop so low in order to attract a crowd!

Last I checked, you were not God and could not see their hearts. There may be some going there for the wrong reasons - but I am certain there are many going there to be strengthened spiritually - such as the teens from my church. When they get back, they share with the whole church various things the Lord taught them through that conference, what He changed or strengthened in them. So don't paint everyone with your "carnal, worldly" brush - it won't wash.