How Do You Rightly Divide The Word Of Truth

[swathdiver]

Let's stick to the sharing on rightly dividing and not about anyones views they come too.

 

I am interested only in that.

 

This has to do with rightly dividing.  I asked him and not you anyhow.  

[Covenanter]

Let's stick to the sharing on rightly dividing and not about anyones views they come too.

 

I am interested only in that.

What about answering my question ?

 

 

What do YOU use to divide the Scriptures? I use the sword provided.

[AVBibleBeliever]

for some reason I am unable to post my answers if more that one sentence.

[HappyChristian]

for some reason I am unable to post my answers if more that one sentence.

Hmm - you might want to contact BroMatt or put a line in the computer forum to alert him. 

[ASongOfDegrees]

for some reason I am unable to post my answers if more that one sentence.

I run into the same prOBlem at times. I find it wise to type out any long posts first on my Open Office document and saving it before copying it to a post. I've lost too many long replies in the past from not doing this and I hate retyping things.

[AVBibleBeliever]

Not a valid comparison. Not even in the same ballpark. If you can find a testimony of how God called ALL of the KJV translators as prophets and gave them special revelation and permission to edit the closed canon of Scripture AND how that squares with Rev. 22:19 then you might have somewhere to go with that thought. Otherwise it's dead in the water. If you want to talk about secondary inspiration though, I recommend starting another thread.

 

Is that the only thing in that entire post you can respond to? Nothing about plain meaning vs. woodenly literally? Nothing about the figurative language in the rest of the chapter? Or do you just agree with everything else I said?

Also if you haven't forgot the original book that contained chapters 50and 51 of Jeremiah was also lost as it was thrown into the river Euphrates by Seraiah the quiet prince.  so again we have a second inspiration of those chapters as well.

 

There is no whole and complete Koine Greek Bible, All we have are bits and pieces of it and all of them are only copies.  If we took all the Koine Greek manuscript pieces we have including the newer ones found some 160 plus years ago, they would not make a complete New Testament let alone a whole Bible.

 

We could never trust that the Syriac or the Ethiopian Versions were accurately copied and translated or the Latin or any other Byzantine texts.  Hence God preserved his word through what we have, Prayerful men and inspiration.

 

But this is a whole new thread and off topic for here.

[AVBibleBeliever]

AVBB,

 

You have made it perfectly clear that you choose to wrongly and in an unbiblical manner to separate the Word into ways which force the Word to contradict itself and not fit together as given by the Holy Ghost.

 

Therefore, anything anyone says which doesn't agree with your false divisions will be spoken ill of by you. Then, as others have pointed out previously, you contend that all who don't follow your ill approach are not as wise as you.

 

It's only by direction of the Holy Ghost that anyone can know and grow in the Word, not by some man made scheme.

John81, nice statement but it is your opinion and that does not make you correct even if people
agree with you.  I never implied that anyone was not wise if they did not follow my divisions so
please stop falsely accusing me of saying such.  Also please don't assume I will speak ill of
anything you may add as that is not correct and I haven't spoken ill of anyone's right division so
far.  And so far all I have shown more on how to study and during that I have shown SOME
divisions types one could use.

So far John81 you have not shown any form of how you do right division and I am still waiting
for you to do so.  I will not speak ill of it and to not show your form of rightly divide out of fear I
will speak ill of it is just false fear.

While the Holy Ghost plays an integral role in our learning only a born of the Spirit Christian can
study and rightly divide for we have the Holy Ghost in us.  But we still have a responsibility to
study and to rightly divide.

We all got a PM lately from a person who OBviously claims he was sent of the Lord to tell us to
confess.  In short, he felt lead of the Holy Ghost to tell us to confess but does that leading reflect
the truth?  No because the Lord knows we are true believers.  and like if we go just by the leading
of the Holy Ghost as the PM guy does we are not studying and we can be mislead just as this
fellow was.

Now don't get me wrong and I already said the Holy Ghost plays a major role but we need to
check any "leading" we get by the word and its context and that involves study and right division
to do so.  A mature Christian knows not to go by leadings alone but to check it by the word of
God.

covenator was close in that the word of God is to be used in rightly dividing but does not go far
enough to ensample how he does that.

[AVBibleBeliever]

As we speak and converse in our language, maybe dividing the word of God correctly entails us using our 'smarts' to listen intently and use all of our cognitive powers to listen, not just with our heart, but with the mind that God gave us.

 

That 'might' contain a precise 'study', it might not. Kind of depends on what it takes for us to get it in our thick heads.

Geneva, Please don't get me wrong but you gave the impression that study and right division is
relative to the cognitive powers of the individual that each man is different and thereby each
through his own abilities "might or might not" get it right.  Do any of you know what sophism is?
Sophism carried this type of relativism philosophy in its way of thinking.  Relativism is not a
good way to think when studying the word of God.  Is God in your heart (cognitive thinking of
the mind)?  If you answer yes, then you have the mind of Christ.  If a man is being or showing
forth thick headed we could assume it reflects some sort of rebellion or a lack of God in his heart.

[TheSword]

Also if you haven't forgot the original book that contained chapters 50and 51 of Jeremiah was also lost as it was thrown into the river Euphrates by Seraiah the quiet prince.  so again we have a second inspiration of those chapters as well.

 

Apples to oranges comparison. You're talking about new revelation before even the Old Testament was closed. Additionally, both instances you listed the "second inspiration" was given to the same person again, not 1500 years later to a group of people.

 

 

There is no whole and complete Koine Greek Bible, All we have are bits and pieces of it and all of them are only copies.  If we took all the Koine Greek manuscript pieces we have including the newer ones found some 160 plus years ago, they would not make a complete New Testament let alone a whole Bible.

 

We could never trust that the Syriac or the Ethiopian Versions were accurately copied and translated or the Latin or any other Byzantine texts.  Hence God preserved his word through what we have, Prayerful men and inspiration.

 

But this is a whole new thread and off topic for here.

 

These aren't really arguments for secondary inspiration, but rather for the various forms textual criticism and the Westcott-Hort text.

 

I'll start another thread.

[Genevanpreacher]

Geneva, Please don't get me wrong but you gave the impression that study and right division is
relative to the cognitive powers of the individual that each man is different and thereby each
through his own abilities "might or might not" get it right.  Do any of you know what sophism is?
Sophism carried this type of relativism philosophy in its way of thinking.  Relativism is not a
good way to think when studying the word of God.  Is God in your heart (cognitive thinking of
the mind)?  If you answer yes, then you have the mind of Christ.  If a man is being or showing
forth thick headed we could assume it reflects some sort of rebellion or a lack of God in his heart.

 

You may be right. Or you may be misunderstanding what I mean. God created us with a mind that can understand him. So when we 'live' our daily life, we should be training our minds (which does include our heart) to follow him in all aspects of our daily living. Taking a walk, eating our supper, shopping at the store, collecting in our hOBbies, being with a sick child, helping others through a sad time, etc., in the proper way of living right for the Lord. That is living. He is the 'light' of our 'life', is he not? You may use a word that I am not familiar with and make a statement like you did, but I put little value upon the essence of your words in saying something I did not infer. Please know, I am not talking about anything liberal, I am a conservative Christian, and I follow the word of God the way he says. I may not be 'sharper' than you are at explaining things, but I do know that the way of life has two meanings, this life and eternal life, and the Lord says he wants us to 'live'. It's not all about the Church Service. Its about every second we breathe. We are not always in the 'comfy' zone when it comes to life. Flexibility is the key to being in God's will as much as we can. No, I am not an intellectual, nor a 'sophist'. I am not a 'Calvinist'. I am not a 'liberal minded loser' either. So please relax a little and do not preach your wisdom, but God's. What do you think every man of God did in the history of the word of God? Only what is written in the word about them? No, there are other things they accomplished in living than what we know. The same goes for us. Studying to show ourselves approved unto God, is the same as saying (in my thinking) Taking the time to focus what God's word says, and using it to help us live life properly in front of others. We aren't proving our selves to God, we are proving ourselves that what we believe and live shows that we are of God. So when it comes to rightly dividing the word, what else could it mean if God intends us to live our life 'in his service'? Follow his word, by knowing it.

[Miss Daisy]

The KJV doesn't need interpreting it's already in English. I may need help understanding a passage. My Bible has related verses at the end of verses and I'll look them up. If still in more need, I ask my pastor. If it's a subject I want to know more on he usually has a book or can recommend one

 Rightly Dividing? Is there a right answer? In the Bible?

 I try to go by the reading schedule the pastor puts in the bulletin each week. Or referencing verses in books I'm reading. 

[Covenanter]

AVBB,

 

You have made it perfectly clear that you choose to wrongly and in an unbiblical manner to separate the Word into ways which force the Word to contradict itself and not fit together as given by the Holy Ghost.

 

Therefore, anything anyone says which doesn't agree with your false divisions will be spoken ill of by you. Then, as others have pointed out previously, you contend that all who don't follow your ill approach are not as wise as you.

 

It's only by direction of the Holy Ghost that anyone can know and grow in the Word, not by some man made scheme.

I agree, John. AVBB is not actually interested in learning from others. He has his opinions & does not respond in a constructive way to anything others write.

 

I suggest we continue the discussion ignoring him, until he learns to interact. Why is he on the forum?

[TheSword]

The KJV doesn't need interpreting it's already in English. I may need help understanding a passage.

 

I think you're confusing interpretation with translation. Understanding is interpretation. They're rougly (though not exactly) synonymous. You can't read anything in any language without interpreting its meaning to understand it.

[Genevanpreacher]

Geneva, Please don't get me wrong but you gave the impression that study and right division is
relative to the cognitive powers of the individual that each man is different and thereby each
through his own abilities "might or might not" get it right.  Do any of you know what sophism is?
Sophism carried this type of relativism philosophy in its way of thinking.  Relativism is not a
good way to think when studying the word of God.  Is God in your heart (cognitive thinking of
the mind)?  If you answer yes, then you have the mind of Christ.  If a man is being or showing
forth thick headed we could assume it reflects some sort of rebellion or a lack of God in his heart.

 

One thing to add. When the scriptures say we have the mind of Christ, we do. It's our Bible.

[Covenanter]

One thing to add. When the scriptures say we have the mind of Christ, we do. It's our Bible.

The Holy Spirit within guides us in our understanding - so why do we come to different interpretations?

 

I submit it is because we approach the Bible with an interpretive paradigm - an imposed "right division" that may be wrong.