Demon Possession: The New Confession Of Modern Youth

[wretched]

hmmm - talk to some of the missionaries in lands where there are witch doctors and demonism.  There is definite demon possession in existence today. And that's not a "lady's" point of view (BTW - Sword is a man...) - it's directly from the mouths of missionaries who have dealt with it for many years.  Yeah, I know - they're probably making it up for sensationalism.  No, not.  There is real demonism - whether possession or oppression (both do exist).  It is here in America, too.  I've not seen it myself (thank God), but do know others who have.

 

Do I believe that you can be possessed via music?  Don't know...but I know that you can be influenced toward evil via music.  

 

HA! now that is doctrine. Somebody emotional told you so and that makes it fact! Like I said before, For every one missionary that makes this guess about possession, there will be ten from the same country who won't. I have lived in some of these witch doctor countries, I know this is nonsense but you buy whatever you want to buy. These "demon possessed" people work themselves up just like the charismatics do. It is emotional overload every time regardless of the setting.

[Miss Daisy]

do you believe angels are real? how can you not believe there aren't demons constantly influencing man? constant invisible spiritual warfare? do you not believe in hell?

[HappyChristian]

HA! now that is doctrine. Somebody emotional told you so and that makes it fact! Like I said before, For every one missionary that makes this guess about possession, there will be ten from the same country who won't. I have lived in some of these witch doctor countries, I know this is nonsense but you buy whatever you want to buy. These "demon possessed" people work themselves up just like the charismatics do. It is emotional overload every time regardless of the setting.

Well,, you can believe what you want. And I'll believe what my friends have seen and experienced. And just hecause you think the missionaries of whom I speak are "emotional" doesn't make them so. In fact, they are not in any way emotional. You may know what you saw as being emotional, but that doesn't mean it all is. It is not. But then, you know everything, doncha. And we poor dummies who dare to disagree with you - and that would include a number of godly men I know and trust who have seen and experienced it - are just emotional.

You are dead wrong that its emotional over load every time. You are making an assumption based on your single observations (and even those could be wrong), denigrating others who disagree. With the emotion
called disdain.

And I am experiencing an emotion right now. Amusement that you denigrate me for believing men whom I've known for decades, seen their lives and their surrender to the Lord, and their fruitfulness on the mission field...but I'm just supposed to accept what you say. And all I've got to go on with you is your sarcasm and disdain toward anyone who might think differently from you. Bwahahaha! Yep, that's doctrine right there.

[Invicta]

I believe that many of the extreme charismatics are demon possessed.  If you have a strong constitution go to you tube and search for "Crazy Preacher Lady."  Mrs Benny Hinn, Not sure if they are still married, though.  It certainly is blasphemous

[wretched]

Without retyping the same thoughts over again from this and other similar threads, I will summarize why I believe this way. Angels and demons of course exist. Possessions during this age, no. The Spirit was poured out over all flesh at Pentecost  and I believe that is what the Bible refers to  "that which is Perfect", Not the Bible's completion as most believe.

The whole demonic possession lie was propagated by the RCC to keep their people dependent of them IMO. All signs, wonders, miracles are done away due to the Spirit's presence. He convicts of sin, righteousness and judgment only as stated in the Bible. Literal, physical possession of any human by a demon is not possible at this time. It was commonplace prior to Pentecost and unmistakable by all witnesses, now it is RCC religious fairytale, promoted by Hollywood and many IFBs buy into it.

 

Rightly dividing the Word, common sense and your two eyes tell you it is nonsense. Nobody here or anywhere else can verify a possession of anyone in their lifetime.

 

One day maybe you will get to see one of these so called possessions in a voodoo ritual and when you do, you will think you are in a Pentecostal church.

 

Is it a physical possession, no, is it a mainly women and feminized men, lead by their women in their beliefs, yes. Every Single Time. Both in the voodoo ritual and in the Pentecostal church I have watched them work themselves into it. Every Single Time. Gullible minds can talk themselves into anything.

 

Demonic influence through media and government absolutely, Satan runs this world that way but only that way.

 

During the tribulation however, all that will come back once the Spirit is removed. Possessions, signs, wonders, from both God and the devil. It will be like Hollywood so be thankful you won't be here for it. I know I don't want to see a real possession because I am betting it will be far more dangerous than some woman (or henpeck) flopping around in an emotional stupor.

[HappyChristian]

What you have seen does not negate what others have seen. And I guarantee what you've described Ii not what the men I know saw, experienced, and dealt with.

You claim that rightly dividing the Word will show it isn't done in this age. Could you provide scripture for that? We are Iin the same age as Paul and there was indeed demin pissession then...

[TheSword]

Without retyping the same thoughts over again from this and other similar threads, I will summarize why I believe this way. Angels and demons of course exist. Possessions during this age, no. The Spirit was poured out over all flesh at Pentecost  and I believe that is what the Bible refers to  "that which is Perfect", Not the Bible's completion as most believe.

 

That's interesting. I've actually never heard those two assertions about the Holy Spirit before ("that which is perfect" and His pouring out preventing possession). I'd love to hear more about your reasoning for both of them if you're inclined to share how you come to those conclusions.

[candlelight]

My pastor's wife, who is a very close friend of mine, works in a psychiatric ward at a hospital.  Many of the patients in the hospital have psychiatric illnesses that cannot be explained.  She believes that some of these people are demon possessed.  I am not saying that all mental illness is demon possession, but when something cannot be explained?  What is it, exactly?

[John81]

Considering there were demon possessions in the NT after the Holy Ghost was poured out that would seem to indicate the pouring out of the Holy Ghost didn't end such.

[wretched]

Well, how can I argue these old points you folks make. I suppose demons do physically possess people these days. It would finally explain why I change into a redbone hound with chicklet front teeth on occasion.

 

I will ask you all this though: haven't you ever wondered why nothing that is recorded in the NT church still occurs today. None of the power given to individual Apostles and their followers, no miracles, healings, casting outs, etc..nothing. The same question applies to the end during the tribulation. Nothing that occurs then happens now. He said He would pour out His Spirit over all flesh. Pentecost was the beginning, as the Gospel spread so did the Spirit with it. At the rapture He that restraineth shall be taken out of the way once again and that will allow the same type of demonic activity prior to Pentecost, only much worse I think because the devil knows his clock is ticking.

I know what you folks have been taught but it never quite connected the dots for me. This is my logical solution and I know it is outside of your box. No agreement is needed.

[John81]

I've heard, and read, from many Baptist (and other) missionaries who have seen these things happening. I know of several folks myself who have been healed. There are many cases where only a miracle explains how something did, or didn't, happen. I've experienced miracles of protection in my own life.

[wretched]

Ok John, why not. I reckon I have seen just as many so called miracles and healing as you have and in allot more places.

They just got better John, sorry to break it to you. Just like the lost, they just got better. Ask yourself how many were prayed over just as diligently that did not get better and maybe you will start to understand.

Now, have you seen any water turned to wine in your travels? How about any raised from the dead? Any shackles and prison doors opened? Any blind with returned sight? Any deaf that can suddenly hear? Let your yay be yay and your nay be nay in your answers.

 

Blessed are those whom having NOT seen, believe. Groping for signs and miracles is not real faith brothers and sisters. The Holy Spirit indwells believers now so they will let go of these childish things.

 

Hey, yaw win though, none of my business what you believe apart from the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. 

[Arbo]

Tough to argue with ridicule...

[DaveW]

Well considering the Holy Spirit is not mentioned within about 20 verses before or after that one verse, and the context clearly changes between the mention of the Holy Spirit before, 1 Cor 13:10, and again when spirit is mentioned, I do not see ANY POSSIBILITY that the thing which is perfect is the Holy Spirit.

So if you wish to base your argument on that passage then you will have to have a very good explanation.

I personally think that demons are given way too much prominence today, and some people are basically superstitious about the subject, but I do not think it is irrelevant today.

[John81]

I don't hear much about demons at all unless it's from Scripture or a missionary report.

 

Folks who have had cancers totally disappear didn't "just heal".

 

If we are to believe that everyone prayed over for healing "just healed" rather than the Lord answering prayer, then why would God tell us to pray for them?

 

God promises us His divine protection and yet we should believe His ministering angels no longer help us?

 

We are warned of the devil, how he prowls around looking for someone to devour, yet we shouldn't take that seriously?

 

Scripture continually tells us our battle is a spiritual battle and how to engage in that spiritual battle. Is that to be taken as fanciful imagery and not seriously?