Hermeneutics

[coc333]

If one builds doctrine on silence, them they can nearly build whatever doctrine they wish.

Besides, we are servants of God, we are not to guess what God wants of us, we are to trust and obey.

Plus, the Holy Scriptures has everything we need in order to follow Jesus, we don't have to guess.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Yes, Jerry, it does have everything we need (2 Peter 1:3, 2 Tim 3:16-17) and that includes Heb 7:12-14 which does teach silence of the Scripture.

By the way, we do not guess by following what the Word teaches including those things which it teaches through "silence."

[coc333]

You started the thread to discuss hermeneutics. I have made posts giving general principles, as well as using those principles to consider your own examples.

You pretend that others are distracting your thread. Why don't you make your own contribution to the thread topic?

I am not pretending anything Cov.

I would suggest you go back and read my previous post. There are many principles which we can look to on this subject.

Rightly deviding the Word (OT, NT); Looking to who is being spoken to (Noah was told to build an ark; are we today to build one?); Silence of the Scripture (does this allow us to do whatever we want or does it forbid?).....these are clear principles on understanding the Word of God.

[Annie]

Coc, I'm not sure what you mean by the Bible in general "speaking through silence." It sounds like others on here are confused as well. Your Hebrews example about Moses doesn't seem to teach that the Scriptures speak through silence, since the Scripture has plenty to say about the Messiah arising out of the tribe of Judah. So, I don't understand your point about that verse at all.

How do you apply your principle that the Bible "speaks through silence?"

[Covenanter]

COC

I am not pretending anything Cov.

I would suggest you go back and read my previous post. There are many principles which we can look to on this subject.

Rightly deviding the Word (OT, NT); Looking to who is being spoken to (Noah was told to build an ark; are we today to build one?); Silence of the Scripture (does this allow us to do whatever we want or does it forbid?).....these are clear principles on understanding the Word of God.

You have NOT given us any principles of hermeneutics, only spurious examples. Please respond on hermeneutics.

Scripture was not & is not silent about the priesthood - the "nothing" of Heb. is showing that a change in Law was necessary for Jesus to be our GHP - otherwise under the Law there was no way anyone other than descent from Aaron qualified a man to be priest.

Scripture assures us that there will never be a another universal flood. Why build an ark ? We are safe IN CHRIST.

What principle are we violating when singing Psalms Psa 33:2 Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery [and] an instrument of ten strings.
3 Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.

Does use of an instrument preclude singing Psalms with melody & grace in our hearts? Is our Lord displeased because we use an instrument to help us sing in time & tune?

Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

[coc333]

Coc, I'm not sure what you mean by the Bible in general "speaking through silence." It sounds like others on here are confused as well. Your Hebrews example about Moses doesn't seem to teach that the Scriptures speak through silence, since the Scripture has plenty to say about the Messiah arising out of the tribe of Judah. So, I don't understand your point about that verse at all.

How do you apply your principle that the Bible "speaks through silence?"

Actually, it is teaching through "silence" and through "speaking." Yes, the Bible has much to say about the fact that the priest (under OL) were to come from the tribe of Levi. What Hebrews 7:12-14 tells us is that the BIbl said nothing (was silent) on the tribe of Judah when it came to the priesthood and even so there was required a change in the law in order that Christ could be priest. That is silence of the Scpriture and we can apply that same principle to other issues where the Bible says do "X" and yet does not say anything about "Y' and so it is silent on it and we are not to do it.

[coc333]

You have NOT given us any principles of hermeneutics, only spurious examples. Please respond on hermeneutics.

Scripture was not & is not silent about the priesthood - the "nothing" of Heb. is showing that a change in Law was necessary for Jesus to be our GHP - otherwise under the Law there was no way anyone other than descent from Aaron qualified a man to be priest.

Scripture assures us that there will never be a another universal flood. Why build an ark ? We are safe IN CHRIST.

What principle are we violating when singing Psalms Psa 33:2 Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery [and] an instrument of ten strings.
3 Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.

Does use of an instrument preclude singing Psalms with melody & grace in our hearts? Is our Lord displeased because we use an instrument to help us sing in time & tune?

Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Cov,

I did offer you much on the subjuct of hermeneutics. I will simply point you to by previous post and leave it at that.

[heartstrings]

Leviticus is also in our Bible today so that must mean that we are required to offer animal sacrifices today, right? Thoughout the OT many things, including musical instruments, animal sacrifices, Levitical priesthood, etc, are stated as acceptable to the LORD. Those things were nailed to the cross of Christ (Col 2:14).

That very argument is a reason man needs to have a proper hermenuetics. We are to rightly devide the Word (2 Tim 2:15).

Animal sacrifices were part of the Law, were they not? Were musical instruments?

[Covenanter]

COC:
At the congregation I have begun a class on hermeneutics. I am interrested in your thoughts on the subject. Specifically, I would like to know the teachings of the IFB on this.

You haven't had any answers of hermeneutics from IFBs. Isuspect this is a problem area for them, as well as you.

I hope you find my postings helpful - yours are not - you don't teach constructively, nor are you capable of conducting dialogue using Scripture.

You seem to think that making a point, & quoting a Scripture proves that point. The JWs use the same "hermeneutic" & it doesn't stand Scriptural scrutiny.

Christ should be the focus of our hermeneutic, & edification our goal.

[John81]

You haven't had any answers of hermeneutics from IFBs. Isuspect this is a problem area for them, as well as you.

I hope you find my postings helpful - yours are not - you don't teach constructively, nor are you capable of conducting dialogue using Scripture.

You seem to think that making a point, & quoting a Scripture proves that point. The JWs use the same "hermeneutic" & it doesn't stand Scriptural scrutiny.

Christ should be the focus of our hermeneutic, & edification our goal.

:amen:

[JerryNumbers]

Yes, Jerry, it does have everything we need (2 Peter 1:3, 2 Tim 3:16-17) and that includes Heb 7:12-14 which does teach silence of the Scripture.

By the way, we do not guess by following what the Word teaches including those things which it teaches through "silence."

Yes you are, your guessing, if you build doctrine on what the Bible does not say. By the way, by doing that your adding to the Word

Re 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Re 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Pr 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

De 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

That my friend, is a very dangerous thing to do.