In the Greek

[baptist senior]

Does anyone have acess to the Textus Receptus and if not then which Alexandrian greek do they mean when the say 'in the greek'?  

[Pastor Scott Markle]

I have access to the Textus Receptus. Why do you ask?

[Hugh_Flower]

22 minutes ago, Pastor Scott Markle said:

I have access to the Textus Receptus. Why do you ask?

Which textus receptus? 

[Jerry]

5 hours ago, baptist senior said:

Does anyone have acess to the Textus Receptus and if not then which Alexandrian greek do they mean when the say 'in the greek'?  

Does who mean? Bible critics? If so, whatever edition or version of it that was available in their day. The Critical Text is always changing because every few years it is updated/edited. The common name for the Critical Text these days is the NU Greek Text, which stands for Nestle/Aland and United Bible Societies Greek Text, a modified version of the Westcott/Hort Greek Text.

If someone is referring to the Textus Receptus that is readily available today, they usually mean Scrivener's Greek Text (from the end of the 19th century) - though sometimes reference is made to Stephanus' Greek Text (from 1550).

[baptist senior]

The Textus Receptus is available where?  So if they are telling why the words in the KJV is 'better' in the Greek they are probably using an Alexandrian Greek for reference. I hate when I hear those three words

[Jerry]

The Textus Receptus is available anywhere you have a Bible program.

Yes, usually when someone is attempting to correct the Bible by the "better", "older", etc. manuscripts, they are referring to the Critical Text. The Scrivener's Textus Receptus is exactly the same as the King James Bible. It does not "correct" the Bible, but shows what Greek words are underlying it.

[SureWord]

13 hours ago, Jerry said:

The Textus Receptus is available anywhere you have a Bible program.

Yes, usually when someone is attempting to correct the Bible by the "better", "older", etc. manuscripts, they are referring to the Critical Text. The Scrivener's Textus Receptus is exactly the same as the King James Bible. It does not "correct" the Bible, but shows what Greek words are underlying it.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus was produced 283 years after the KJV and does not always back the KJV.

 

[SureWord]

22 hours ago, baptist senior said:

Does anyone have acess to the Textus Receptus and if not then which Alexandrian greek do they mean when the say 'in the greek'?  

Usually, anymore, they are referring to the "original languages" since everyone is on to their "original autographs" scam. So they are not referring to any particular Text or MSS but just the language itself. But apparently, though I can't read or write ancient Greek but can only go on what they say, they are continually changing the definitions of words or piling on multiple definitions. This, of course, is to sell new lexicons and Study Bibles.

 

[baptist senior]

37 minutes ago, SureWord said:

Usually, anymore, they are referring to the "original languages" since everyone is on to their "original autographs" scam. So they are not referring to any particular Text or MSS but just the language itself. But apparently, though I can't read or write ancient Greek but can only go on what they say, they are continually changing the definitions of words or piling on multiple definitions. This, of course, is to sell new lexicons and Study Bibles.

 

And then we end up with a Bible explanation or a complete Bible of mans opinion.  We wonder why there are no revivals anymore, we leave the Holy Spirit out and go with what man thinks 

[baptist senior]

16 hours ago, Jerry said:

The Textus Receptus is available anywhere you have a Bible program.

Yes, usually when someone is attempting to correct the Bible by the "better", "older", etc. manuscripts, they are referring to the Critical Text. The Scrivener's Textus Receptus is exactly the same as the King James Bible. It does not "correct" the Bible, but shows what Greek words are underlying it.

The original Textus Receptus is available in what form?  

[Jerry]

There is no existing copy of a 2000 year old manuscript (I am not 100% sure the first time all the NT books were put together into one manuscript) or an existing copy of an original NT book. They've all been copied, worn out, recopied, recopied, recopied, compiled together, recopied, etc.

Scrivener's is the closest you can find today - actually an exact duplicate if you will, as he reconstructed the Greek text underlying the King James Bible by looking at how the King James read and sorting through all the Greek manuscripts, found the Greek for that exact verse/phrase/section of the Bible from all the available TR manuscripts, and put together his Greek text reflecting the Greek TR underlying the King James Bible. I have never found differences between his Greek and my KJV - maybe differences between a lexicon definition, but not differences between the Greek and the English (ie. each Greek word equates the same translated word or phrase in English).

[baptist senior]

19 hours ago, Jerry said:

There is no existing copy of a 2000 year old manuscript (I am not 100% sure the first time all the NT books were put together into one manuscript) or an existing copy of an original NT book. They've all been copied, worn out, recopied, recopied, recopied, compiled together, recopied, etc.

Scrivener's is the closest you can find today - actually an exact duplicate if you will, as he reconstructed the Greek text underlying the King James Bible by looking at how the King James read and sorting through all the Greek manuscripts, found the Greek for that exact verse/phrase/section of the Bible from all the available TR manuscripts, and put together his Greek text reflecting the Greek TR underlying the King James Bible. I have never found differences between his Greek and my KJV - maybe differences between a lexicon definition, but not differences between the Greek and the English (ie. each Greek word equates the same translated word or phrase in English).

so you would say that Scriveners followed the same stream as the Textus Receptus?  

[Jerry]

Scrivener's is one of the Textus Receptus Greek mansucripts. There are multiple manuscripts that make up a "stream" of manuscripts.