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John 16:7-8

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

 

2 Thessalonians 2:6-7

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

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13 hours ago, Sister Rebecca said:

Wouldn't the Antichrist be known when he makes a Peace covenant with Israel? But of course that would be to those who know to look for this! But then again, if the HS is taken away how will anyone get saved?

God chooses the antichrist by making those that rejected the truth of the gospel believe the antichrist.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

What country has the most unbelievers?

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  The HOLY SPIRIT won't be removed. He will simply allow for the antichrist to be born (if he isn't already born) & to come to power. The Holy Spirit won't prevent his coming  any more. He will take Himself outta the way.

On 2/10/2019 at 12:21 PM, Eric Stahl said:

God chooses the antichrist by making those that rejected the truth of the gospel believe the antichrist.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

What country has the most unbelievers?

  Right now, many Muslim, Bhuddist, Hindu, & animist nations. Take yer pick.

 And among nations what are not predominately any of those religions, I believe Norway has the fewest Christian churches per capita. (Correct me if I'm wrong here.)

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God's Wrath at the end of this age will follow the same pattern as every other time His Wrath was poured out in Scripture:

Days of Noah

The catching away of the remnant of true believers still breathing at the rapture will go unnoticed by the world and will hardly be the "lie" of 2 Thessalonians 2:11.

The "lie" has been around and building steam for the last 100 years. We have known of it and preached against it's tenants the whole time but to little avail. It has gained acceptance worldwide among the industrialized world. Most who profess Christ (evangelicals, emerging groups, mainline protestants) have already accepted the "lie" of leftist ideology. Most of the remaining more, staunch professors will not embrace leftist ideology personally but will acquiesce to the "lie" to maintain their lives, their families lives and their status quo down here. They will hide their light under bushels so as not be be noticed. And these deluded fools will still think they are "saved" courtesy of the repetitive, easy- prayer, brainwashing introduced during the last 100 years.

Trump Derangement or Something Much More?

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, wretched said:

God's Wrath at the end of this age will follow the same pattern as every other time His Wrath was poured out in Scripture:

Days of Noah

The catching away of the remnant of true believers still breathing at the rapture will go unnoticed by the world and will hardly be the "lie" of 2 Thessalonians 2:11.

The "lie" has been around and building steam for the last 100 years. We have known of it and preached against it's tenants the whole time but to little avail. It has gained acceptance worldwide among the industrialized world. Most who profess Christ (evangelicals, emerging groups, mainline protestants) have already accepted the "lie" of leftist ideology. Most of the remaining more, staunch professors will not embrace leftist ideology personally but will acquiesce to the "lie" to maintain their lives, their families lives and their status quo down here. They will hide their light under bushels so as not be be noticed. And these deluded fools will still think they are "saved" courtesy of the repetitive, easy- prayer, brainwashing introduced during the last 100 years.

Trump Derangement or Something Much More?

I have no idea what you are speaking about.

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6 hours ago, Invicta said:

I have no idea what you are speaking about.

  The "lie" is that we must do many things to be saved besides just coming to Jesus in belief & submission, calling on His name & asking Him to forgive our sins. As for works, including being baptized, a saved person WANTS to do good works. That's different from HAVING to do them.

 

   Some day, God The Father will say, "Holy Spirit, time for you to step aside & allow the man of sin to come." or something similar. He may have already done so.

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11 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  The "lie" is that we must do many things to be saved besides just coming to Jesus in belief & submission, calling on His name & asking Him to forgive our sins. As for works, including being baptized, a saved person WANTS to do good works. That's different from HAVING to do them.

 

   Some day, God The Father will say, "Holy Spirit, time for you to step aside & allow the man of sin to come." or something similar. He may have already done so.

Thanks.

 

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On 3/17/2019 at 1:35 PM, wretched said:

God's Wrath at the end of this age will follow the same pattern as every other time His Wrath was poured out in Scripture:

Days of Noah

The catching away of the remnant of true believers still breathing at the rapture will go unnoticed by the world and will hardly be the "lie" of 2 Thessalonians 2:11.

The "lie" has been around and building steam for the last 100 years. We have known of it and preached against it's tenants the whole time but to little avail. It has gained acceptance worldwide among the industrialized world. Most who profess Christ (evangelicals, emerging groups, mainline protestants) have already accepted the "lie" of leftist ideology. Most of the remaining more, staunch professors will not embrace leftist ideology personally but will acquiesce to the "lie" to maintain their lives, their families lives and their status quo down here. They will hide their light under bushels so as not be be noticed. And these deluded fools will still think they are "saved" courtesy of the repetitive, easy- prayer, brainwashing introduced during the last 100 years.

Trump Derangement or Something Much More?

 

 

 

 

When Jesus was raised from the dead his clothing remained so I believe when I am taken up my clothing gold teeth glasses will be laying in a big pile.

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On 3/17/2019 at 1:35 PM, wretched said:

God's Wrath at the end of this age will follow the same pattern as every other time His Wrath was poured out in Scripture:

Days of Noah

The catching away of the remnant of true believers still breathing at the rapture will go unnoticed by the world and will hardly be the "lie" of 2 Thessalonians 2:11.

The "lie" has been around and building steam for the last 100 years. We have known of it and preached against it's tenants the whole time but to little avail. It has gained acceptance worldwide among the industrialized world. Most who profess Christ (evangelicals, emerging groups, mainline protestants) have already accepted the "lie" of leftist ideology. Most of the remaining more, staunch professors will not embrace leftist ideology personally but will acquiesce to the "lie" to maintain their lives, their families lives and their status quo down here. They will hide their light under bushels so as not be be noticed. And these deluded fools will still think they are "saved" courtesy of the repetitive, easy- prayer, brainwashing introduced during the last 100 years.

Trump Derangement or Something Much More?

 

 

 

 

 Hmmmm...It'd be hard to miss the sudden disappearance of friends, relatives, acquaintances, and a spate of suddenly-driverless vehicles, etc. I believe the "beast" will have a ready-made secular explanation which most of the world will believe, with those not believing him being afraid to speak out.

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9 hours ago, robycop3 said:

 Hmmmm...It'd be hard to miss the sudden disappearance of friends, relatives, acquaintances, and a spate of suddenly-driverless vehicles, etc. I believe the "beast" will have a ready-made secular explanation which most of the world will believe, with those not believing him being afraid to speak out.

I think they'll blame it on aliens with some new age agenda (i.e. they were unenlightened/interfering with your progress/etc.). Notice how many new science fiction shows involve random disappearances or appearances of large numbers of people? I think the current trend in sci fi/new age crossovers is to prep the world people's for an explanation they will accept. 

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2 minutes ago, Salyan said:

I think they'll blame it on aliens with some new age agenda (i.e. they were unenlightened/interfering with your progress/etc.). Notice how many new science fiction shows involve random disappearances or appearances of large numbers of people? I think the current trend in sci fi/new age crossovers is to prep the world people's for an explanation they will accept. 

Interesting point. Never thought of it that way at all before. Maybe the new trend in entertainment comes with a little more Satanic agenda (not saying the shows are necesarily evil in themselves - as a scifi theme to create a dramatic story), but it certainly seems like more shows are popping up with some aspect of that idea present (based upon a show’s description or trailer preview). In the long run, maybe it will help bias people towards accepting the possibility of a sudden major disappearance.

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On the topic of aliens, I have to recommend Alien Intrusion, by Gary Bates. It's an incredibly interesting read on the alien/ufo phenomena, historically and recently. It includes the (true) story of two paranormal researchers who decided to research why the subset of Christians called 'born-again' didn't seem to report any alien abductions - and ended up getting saved as a result of what they found out. This is not light reading, and should be approached soberly (dealing, as it does, with the demonic), but it is a subject I really think that Christians should be aware of and have an answer for.  https://www.amazon.ca/Alien-Intrusion-Gary-Bates-ebook/dp/B004477XBE

Apparently they're doing a movie now as well; I'll have to take a look at that!

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So for a quick summary, what does the book teach? I don’t believe any “aliens” are abducting anyone, but that it is a demonic delusion people are falling for.

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  Y'all may be right about an "aliens" explanation. We can't rule anything out at this point.

   I believe the beast will be a super-charismatic character who will become almost-universally admired, and when he brokers a deal between Jew & Arab that seemingly ends millenia of hatred & causes both sides to disarm, the beast will be hailed as the greatest statesman ever & his fame will rise to new heights. And all this time, he will be indwelt by Satan. So, whatever his explanation may be for millions of people vanishing, I'm sure almost all the world will swallow it without question. (This, of course, will remove almost all opposition to the "mark of the beast".)

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On 3/20/2019 at 2:11 AM, robycop3 said:

  Y'all may be right about an "aliens" explanation. We can't rule anything out at this point.

   I believe the beast will be a super-charismatic character who will become almost-universally admired, and when he brokers a deal between Jew & Arab that seemingly ends millenia of hatred & causes both sides to disarm, the beast will be hailed as the greatest statesman ever & his fame will rise to new heights. And all this time, he will be indwelt by Satan. So, whatever his explanation may be for millions of people vanishing, I'm sure almost all the world will swallow it without question. (This, of course, will remove almost all opposition to the "mark of the beast".)

I believe that many UFO s are angelic ships like the one that picked up the prophet.

 

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1 hour ago, Jerry said:

What prophet? One in the Bible? If so, you are referring to Elijah in 2 Kings 2:11. It was no ship of any kind - it was a chariot of fire pulled by horses of fire.

This is another passage.

 

EZEKIEL 1:15-26

 

15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.

16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.

18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.

19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.

23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.

24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.

25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.

26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

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So? It is describing the cherubim and how they move about. It doesn’t need to be anything weird, wacky, or go beyond the Bible. It is referring to spiritual beings. I doubt they are using some physical ship to travel about, even if it is hard to fully understand what they are portraying.

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On 6/30/2019 at 9:03 AM, Jerry said:

So? It is describing the cherubim and how they move about. It doesn’t need to be anything weird, wacky, or go beyond the Bible. It is referring to spiritual beings. I doubt they are using some physical ship to travel about, even if it is hard to fully understand what they are portraying.

God has 20000 thousand vessels for his angels.

Psalm 68:17

17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

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  Well, actually, angels don't need wings. When Jesus returned to heaven after His resurrection, He simply rose by His own power. He  didn't use any vehicle.

  As for Elijah, God made a special vehicle for him, to present a spectacular departure for Elisha to see & write about.

 

  (A little aside: I lean toward believing that Enoch & Elijah will be the 2 special witnesses of the Revelation, as they have never died,  & thus will be killed to fulfill God's decree that it's appointed for all people to die once, with the only exceptons being the saints that will be raptured.)

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On 8/10/2019 at 5:54 PM, Invicta said:

Elijah ascended to heaven in a whirlwind.

Yep:

2Ki 2:11  And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

The chariot and horses separated Elijah from Elisha, the whirlwind carried up Elijah.

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On 2/9/2019 at 10:35 PM, Sister Rebecca said:

Wouldn't the Antichrist be known when he makes a Peace covenant with Israel? But of course that would be to those who know to look for this! But then again, if the HS is taken away how will anyone get saved?

  He won't be taken away from the earth; He will be taken outta the way of the 'beast's' coming.

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On 3/19/2019 at 10:38 AM, Jerry said:

So for a quick summary, what does the book teach? I don’t believe any “aliens” are abducting anyone, but that it is a demonic delusion people are falling for.

(Wow - I'm sorry for forgetting to get back to this for so long!)

That's it, in a nutshell - the demonic delusion. It talks about the history of UFO sightings (which date back hundreds if not thousands of years), and note that the descriptions of the UFOs mimicked current technology (a shield, a canoe, etc.). UFO light sightings often defy the laws of physics. The 'little grey men' phenomenon was really introduced by early sci-fi movies - aliens were never historically described as such previously. Satan is not creative; he uses the ideas already present in the world. Alien 'abductions' are always horrific, terrifying experiences, often with a sexual component ("The thief comes not but to steal, kill and destroy.").

The most compelling part of the book is the same subject that saw the researchers get saved. Basically, they'd noted that alien abductions were reported in every people group, religion, country, you name it - except for people self-identifying as 'born-again Christians'. So the researchers got curious and tried to see if they could find any of these born-again folk who had been abducted. And they did find one or two who reported an experience like an abduction (woken in the night, feeling of weightlessness & leaving the body behind, a malignant presence, etc.) - but when these folks experienced this sensation, they called on the Name of Jesus. And in every case where someone called on the Name of Jesus the abduction experience immediately stopped. One account says that it seemed like the malignant presence gave a grunt, like it was in pain, before disappearing. When you read the accounts like this, the demonic influence is quite apparent. 

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