Windsor Hills Youth Conference - Giving away an AR-15

[brosmith]

Contrary to what some may think, I am not against gun ownership. I started this thread because:

#1 - I do not believe that any church ought to be involved in a gun giveaway

#2 - I do not believe that any church ought to promote the shooting of automatic weapons by children

#3 - I do not believe that any church ought to use guns as a drawing card to a youth conference

#4 - I do believe that guns are for adult use only and not for children / teenagers

I will restate what I said earlier: I believe that parents who allow their children to have multitudes of adult experiences will end up raising a child who will either become bored with life or who will continue to live on the extreme edge.

[Guest Guest]

Again, I'm really not sure how our views differ on the gun matter. The local church is, and should be, free to take on whatever responsibilities they see fit. If the local church wants to set up a meet on the gun range every Thursday, that's fine by me.

As to the other topic, I'm not real big on labels so I just call myself a Christian and if anyone wants to know more beyond that I'm happy to explain. I believe the KJB is God's true, pure Word.

Hi John! I don't think that our views differ on this matter, either. Who knows? :puzzled: This has been the busiest thread all day, so I could have misunderstood what you said. I am sorry for that. I just don't see how that can happen on OB? :lol It has been a busy day, in general. :thumb

As far as the other thread, I was just stating that I guess I am more 100% than I thought. Today has been enlightening for me. Maybe, upsetting for others...and, I apologize for that. I just feel so much spiritual growth, lately. Thank you brothers and sisters in Christ! :thumb I really feel that Satan tries to meddle and God uses it for His glory! This has been one of those weeks.

candlelight

[HappyChristian]

Again, I'm really not sure how our views differ on the gun matter. The local church is, and should be, free to take on whatever responsibilities they see fit. If the local church wants to set up a meet on the gun range every Thursday, that's fine by me.

As to the other topic, I'm not real big on labels so I just call myself a Christian and if anyone wants to know more beyond that I'm happy to explain. I believe the KJB is God's true, pure Word.

Meeting on the gun range is a far cry from giving away a gun!

[John81]

Contrary to what some may think, I am not against gun ownership. I started this thread because:

#1 - I do not believe that any church ought to be involved in a gun giveaway

#2 - I do not believe that any church ought to promote the shooting of automatic weapons by children

#3 - I do not believe that any church ought to use guns as a drawing card to a youth conference

#4 - I do believe that guns are for adult use only and not for children / teenagers

I will restate what I said earlier: I believe that parents who allow their children to have multitudes of adult experiences will end up raising a child who will either become bored with life or who will continue to live on the extreme edge.

Most of what you put forth are your personal opinions, which is fine, but should not be used to govern what others do or don't do.

A 13 year old is not a child and a gun is not an adult tool and shooting or owning a gun is not an adult experience. I have no idea where you ever got that idea since from the beginning of America children and teens have owned and shot guns.

Each church is free to choose their own position on guns and individuals and parents are free to join or support the church of their choice.

Having guns or shooting guns is not living on the extreme edge. As a matter of fact, it's a normal everyday way of life; at least in most of the country.

Boredom in adulthood has nothing to do with the experiences of ones youth but rather about their heart. If they have given their heart to the Lord they will learn to be content in all things just as Paul.

[John81]

Meeting on the gun range is a far cry from giving away a gun!

Very true LuAnne, but in this case Molly was discussing the local IFB church and such matters and not about the gun give-a-way.

[Guest Guest]

In response to what LuAnne said, Thank you John. :thumb

candlelight

[war_eagle]

I will restate what I said earlier: I believe that parents who allow their children to have multitudes of adult experiences will end up raising a child who will either become bored with life or who will continue to live on the extreme edge.

You still haven't explained why learning to shoot a gun is an "adult experience" or why the vast majority of us who grew up with guns as children ended up being happy, healthy adults who aren't bored with life and don't "live on the extreme edge" (which you also never defined).

When my dad was twelve years old, his family were hillbillies and he had to go out and shoot his own food.

Sadly, no "bubblin' crude", but he did end up becoming a respected college professor, a decorated Marine officer, an accomplished musician, a strong mentor for underprivileged children and, toward the end of his life, a born again child of God.

To hear you tell it, he should have been up in a clock tower with a rifle picking off nursing students.

[Guest Guest]

You still haven't explained why learning to shoot a gun is an "adult experience" or why the vast majority of us who grew up with guns as children ended up being happy, healthy adults who aren't bored with life and don't "live on the extreme edge" (which you also never defined).

When my dad was twelve years old, his family were hillbillies and he had to go out and shoot his own food.

Sadly, no "bubblin' crude", but he did end up becoming a respected college professor, a decorated Marine officer, an accomplished musician, a strong mentor for underprivileged children and, toward the end of his life, a born again child of God.

To hear you tell it, he should have been up in a clock tower with a rifle picking off nursing students.

War_eagle, well stated! My seniments, exactly! :smile My hubby is also a very stable, well educated, man...and, his dad taught all 9 of his children how to shoot at a young age. Not a one is "bored or living on the edge". Fancy that! :smile

candlelight

[matie-k]

Wow, this has been one of the most ridiculous topics I've seen here in a while! :lol I'm not a gun-hater, but I agree whole-heartedly with LuAnne on this one. Church is not the place for gun education.

When a topic is so close to your heart that it comes before being gracious and striving for unity with brothers and sisters in Christ, then the topic is set up too high in your mind.

[Guest Guest]

Do OB people not supporting this topic reallize that we are fighting a war on terror? The government is becoming weaker and weaker...as we speak. Terrorists might even be talking over the White House from within if O'Bama gets in. As far as John McCain. Sure...he was a military man, but, if he gets in...he still isn't a born-again believer from what I have heard him say. He has never professed Jesus Christ as his personal Saviour. Check out his website, if you don't believe me. If he is wishy-washy on his spiritual stance, then, what is he going to do as far as the war on terror? He talks a mean game, but, lets face it...he is a politician who wants desperately to make votes with the American people. The man will say anything to get elected, IMO.

Do some of you OB people realize that many of the RCC people believe strongly in the death penalty? They are also pro-gun! I know this b/c I live amongst RCC people, and I was one for years. I also have many family members that are trapped in the RCC.

IFB's are like lambs going to the slaughter...unless, some of you folks wake up! This thread is the most disturbing thread that I have ever read on OB. :sad

candlelight

[JerryNumbers]

Your 100% right, church is no place to be teaching children about guns, its a place to teach them about God and Jesus Christ only.

But today, many churches will stoop to any level to get children and people into their church.

If, and only if their parents want to teach them about guns, great.

Most people I know that hunt, coudl go to the store and buy their meant much cheaper than hunting, amazing at the amount of money people spend on hunting.

And in deer season, around these parts, its not safe in the wood, to many drunks are behind guns trying to kill themselves a deer.

[John81]

Too many city slickers come around here during deer season to hunt. :uuhm:

A real hunter just needs his gun, bullets and a bit of sense to hunt up a cheap meal.

Now my brother-in-law, on the other hand, is one of those who has to subscribe to hunting magazines and then has to buy all the things those magazines says he must have. :roll While he spends hundreds of dollars for a few days hunting, when my Dad and I hunted we only spent a couple of bucks...and came home with a couple of bucks to eat from for a good long while!

[Guest Guest]

Oh, John...you would be surprised at what us "city slickers" can do when we hunt? :smile My BIL is a Dentist by day, and a hillbilly by night. :thumb Their daughter shot a doe at age 10 with a bow and arrow. :thumb

candlelight

[JerryNumbers]

Around here, most everyone has a deer camp, hunting leases, some have hunting dogs, its a year around expense for the dedicated hunter. Without hunting lease and or belonging to a hunting club. there is not many places for a person to hunt anymore.

All of that food and drinking stuff adds up right fast. And they always run out and have to go after more of it.

When your deer hunting, you have to be in a deer camp, setting around half the night talking deer stories and drinking.

Oh, did I mention the big 4 wheel drives, got to have on of those too.

I recall in years gone by seeing people quite their job to go deer hunting, that really makes good sense. Now the way they lengthened deer season out there probably is not as much of that.

[Guest Guest]

Around here, most everyone has a deer camp, hunting leases, some have hunting dogs, its a year around expense for the dedicated hunter. Without hunting lease and or belonging to a hunting club. there is not many places for a person to hunt anymore.

All of that food and drinking stuff adds up right fast. And they always run out and have to go after more of it.

When your deer hunting, you have to be in a deer camp, setting around half the night talking deer stories and drinking.

Oh, did I mention the big 4 wheel drives, got to have on of those too.

I recall in years gone by seeing people quite their job to go deer hunting, that really makes good sense. Now the way they lengthened deer season out there probably is not as much of that.

Hi Jerry. It is so different where you live. Really, Ohio is very different in many respects.

candlelight