Oil all gone in 30 years, what next?

[Alan]

On 4/29/2018 at 1:05 PM, tooldtocare said:

WHY THEY WERE CHOSEN

(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

(Deu 7:8 KJV) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh King of Egypt.

(Deu 7:12 KJV) Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he swore unto thy fathers:

(Deu 7:13 KJV) And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kin, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

(Lev 19:34 KJV) But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God

They were chosen to show us the way, to show us how to treat the stranger, how to be compassionate and loving to your neighbor and by doing so peace would envelope the world.

(Mal 3:5 KJV)  And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

(Deu 1:16 KJV)  And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

(Deu 24:19 KJV)  When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.

(Deu 24:20 KJV)  When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

(Deu 24:21 KJV)  When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow

(Ezek 22:7 KJV)  In thee have they set light by father and mother: in the midst of thee have they dealt by oppression with the stranger: in thee have they vexed the fatherless and the widow.

(Exo 22:21 KJV)  Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Exo 23:9 KJV)  Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

 (Lev 19:34 KJV)  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

(Lev 25:35 KJV)  And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.

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(Jer 14:8 KJV)  O the hope of Israel, the saviour thereof in time of trouble, why shouldest thou be as a stranger in the land, and as a wayfaring man that turneth aside to tarry for a night?

(Ezek 36:17 KJV)  Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their ..own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

(Ezek 36:18 KJV) Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it.

(Ezek 36:22 KJV) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

Ezekiel 21:32 (ASV) Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I, Jehovah, have spoken it.

..According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population

 

47 minutes ago, tooldtocare said:

I agree this is off topic but having said that I have strayed and will get back on topic after I answer this post:

25 “ ‘You profane and wicked prince of Israel, whose day has come, whose time of punishment has reached its climax, 

26 this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Take off the turban, remove the crown. It will not be as it was: The lowly will be exalted and the exalted will be brought low.

27 A ruin! A ruin! I will make it a ruin! The crown will not be restored until he to whom it rightfully belongs shall come; to him I will give it.’

28 “And you, son of man, prophesy and say, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says about the Ammonites and their insults: “ ‘A sword, a sword, drawn for the slaughter, polished to consume and to flash like lightning! 

29 Despite false visions concerning you and lying divinations about you, it will be laid on the necks of the wicked who are to be slain, whose day has come, whose time of punishment has reached its climax. 

30 “ ‘Let the sword return to its sheath. In the place where you were created, in the land of your ancestry, I will judge you. 

31 I will pour out my wrath on you and breathe out my fiery anger against you; I will deliver you into the hands of brutal men, men skilled in destruction. 

32 You will be fuel for the fire, your blood will be shed in your land, you will be remembered no more; for I the LORD have spoken.’ ”

When you used the KJV you used the appropriate abbreviation.

When you quoted from an non-KJV you did not use an appropriate abbreviation.

Is there a reason why they difference?

What is the name of the version that you quoted?

Either way, the KJV is the only English translation of the scriptures that is to used in the discussions on OnLineBaptist.

[tooldtocare]

3 minutes ago, Alan said:

 

When you used the KJV you used the appropriate abbreviation.

When you quoted from an non-KJV you did not use an appropriate abbreviation.

Is there a reason why they difference?

What is the name of the version that you quoted?

Either way, the KJV is the only English translation of the scriptures that is to used in the discussions on OnLineBaptist.

I googled the verse and cut and pasted it here. Believe it or not, that is your choice to make.

Let's get back to the topic, OK

9 minutes ago, Alan said:

 

When you used the KJV you used the appropriate abbreviation.

When you quoted from an non-KJV you did not use an appropriate abbreviation.

Is there a reason why they difference?

What is the name of the version that you quoted?

Either way, the KJV is the only English translation of the scriptures that is to used in the discussions on OnLineBaptist.

Before getting back to the topic, please post “your” version of

(Ezek 36-17 to 36-32)

[tooldtocare]

 

BACK TO TOPIC

The good news------------

A hybrid electric vehicle (HEV) is a type of hybrid vehicle that combines a conventional internal combustion engine (ICE) system with an electric propulsion system (hybrid vehicle drivetrain). The presence of the electric powertrain is intended to achieve either better fuel economy than a conventional vehicle or better performance. There is a variety of HEV types, and the degree to which each functions as an electric vehicle (EV) also varies. The most common form of HEV is the hybrid electric car, although hybrid electric trucks (pickups and tractors) and buses also exist.

These cars get 44+/- miles to the gallon

The battery sits under the car covering the entire area below the seats. The engine chargers the battery when needed. In the future you will be able to charge the battery in your garage. 

Edited May 1, 2018 by tooldtocare

[Invicta]

1 hour ago, tooldtocare said:

The good news------------

A hybrid electric vehicle (HEV) is a type of hybrid vehicle that combines a conventional internal combustion engine (ICE) system with an electric propulsion system (hybrid vehicle drivetrain). The presence of the electric powertrain is intended to achieve either better fuel economy than a conventional vehicle or better performance. There is a variety of HEV types, and the degree to which each functions as an electric vehicle (EV) also varies. The most common form of HEV is the hybrid electric car, although hybrid electric trucks (pickups and tractors) and buses also exist.

These cars get 44+/- miles to the gallon

 

Some petrol and diesel cars get more than that, although you could consider this

:

[DaveW]

I used to use about 2.5 ltrs getting 42km  home from work - but that was water and it was free from the tap at work and free from the tap half way along the bike path. A little less in winter.

Slightly better on the way to work - easier riding in the cool of the morning.

[Alan]

No matter what the topic is, the Guidelines for posting all scripture on OnLineBaptist is as follows.

3) Feel free to quote the Bible, if you do we ask that you use the KJV. This is done to avoid confusion.
The Administrators and Moderators of this site believe that the KJV is Gods preserved Word for the English speaking people, and we ask that you respect that and use the KJV when quoting scripture.
 

No matter what the topic that is on OnLineBaptist it is the requirement to quote the KJV. The questions concerning what version you used that I asked was in line with the Guidelines of OnLineBaptist and a prerogative that every member on OnLineBaptist can ask no matter what the topic is.

I asked a perfectly correct and proper question that is within the parameters of any topic on OnLineBaptist.

5 hours ago, Alan said:

When you used the KJV you used the appropriate abbreviation.

When you quoted from an non-KJV you did not use an appropriate abbreviation.

Is there a reason why they difference?

What is the name of the version that you quoted?

Either way, the KJV is the only English translation of the scriptures that is to used in the discussions on OnLineBaptist.

 Even if you did copy and paste the quotation of Ezekiel I have the proper right to ask what version you used.

Alan

Edited May 2, 2018 by Alan
capitalization

[DaveW]

6 hours ago, tooldtocare said:

 

BACK TO TOPIC

The good news------------

A hybrid electric vehicle (HEV) is a type of hybrid vehicle that combines a conventional internal combustion engine (ICE) system with an electric propulsion system (hybrid vehicle drivetrain). The presence of the electric powertrain is intended to achieve either better fuel economy than a conventional vehicle or better performance. There is a variety of HEV types, and the degree to which each functions as an electric vehicle (EV) also varies. The most common form of HEV is the hybrid electric car, although hybrid electric trucks (pickups and tractors) and buses also exist.

These cars get 44+/- miles to the gallon

The battery sits under the car covering the entire area below the seats. The engine chargers the battery when needed. In the future you will be able to charge the battery in your garage. 

Just did the calcs and my turbo petrol medium wagon gets 47us mpg. Better on a recent long trip. 

(According to a conversion website from l/100km)

[Jim_Alaska]

10 hours ago, DaveW said:

Just did the calcs and my turbo petrol medium wagon gets 47us mpg. Better on a recent long trip. 

(According to a conversion website from l/100km)

Bro. Dave, I would be very happy with that kind of mileage. My standard 2004 Chev. 4WD pickup only gets 16 mpg on its best days.

[tooldtocare]

18 hours ago, Alan said:

 

When you used the KJV you used the appropriate abbreviation.

When you quoted from an non-KJV you did not use an appropriate abbreviation.

Is there a reason why they difference?

What is the name of the version that you quoted?

Either way, the KJV is the only English translation of the scriptures that is to used in the discussions on OnLineBaptist.

I wasn't aware that biblical verses were different depending on which Bible I use. 

The Bible I have been using since I was a teenager is a leather bound Bible:

"The Open Bible"

"EXPANDED EDITION"

"KING JAMES VERSION"

BY: "NELSON 675bg"

On the inside of the first page it is written-

The Open Bible

Presented to xxxxx xxxxxx on this 19 day of 1990

Note: I "xx" out my real name

btw I also Google verses and I haven't noticed any great difference between my Bible and what I get on the internet.\

 

 

 

[tooldtocare]

13 hours ago, Alan said:

No matter what the topic is, the Guidelines for posting all scripture on OnLineBaptist is as follows.

3) Feel free to quote the Bible, if you do we ask that you use the KJV. This is done to avoid confusion.
The Administrators and Moderators of this site believe that the KJV is Gods preserved Word for the English speaking people, and we ask that you respect that and use the KJV when quoting scripture.

 Even if you did copy and paste the quotation of Ezekiel I have the proper right to ask what version you used.

Alan

Ezekiel 21 King James Version (KJV)

21 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,

3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.

4 Seeing then that I will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked, therefore shall my sword go forth out of his sheath against all flesh from the south to the north:

5 That all flesh may know that I the Lord have drawn forth my sword out of his sheath: it shall not return any more.

6 Sigh therefore, thou son of man, with the breaking of thy loins; and with bitterness sigh before their eyes.

7 And it shall be, when they say unto thee, Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shalt answer, For the tidings; because it cometh: and every heart shall melt, and all hands shall be feeble, and every spirit shall faint, and all knees shall be weak as water: behold, it cometh, and shall be brought to pass, saith the Lord God.

8 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

9 Son of man, prophesy, and say, Thus saith the Lord; Say, A sword, a sword is sharpened, and also furbished:

10 It is sharpened to make a sore slaughter; it is furbished that it may glitter: should we then make mirth? it contemneth the rod of my son, as every tree.

11 And he hath given it to be furbished, that it may be handled: this sword is sharpened, and it is furbished, to give it into the hand of the slayer.

12 Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh.

13 Because it is a trial, and what if the sword contemn even the rod? it shall be no more, saith the Lord God.

14 Thou therefore, son of man, prophesy, and smite thine hands together. and let the sword be doubled the third time, the sword of the slain: it is the sword of the great men that are slain, which entereth into their privy chambers.

15 I have set the point of the sword against all their gates, that their heart may faint, and their ruins be multiplied: ah! it is made bright, it is wrapped up for the slaughter.

16 Go thee one way or other, either on the right hand, or on the left, whithersoever thy face is set.

17 I will also smite mine hands together, and I will cause my fury to rest: I the Lord have said it.

18 The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying,

19 Also, thou son of man, appoint thee two ways, that the sword of the king of Babylon may come: both twain shall come forth out of one land: and choose thou a place, choose it at the head of the way to the city.

20 Appoint a way, that the sword may come to Rabbath of the Ammonites, and to Judah in Jerusalem the defenced.

21 For the king of Babylon stood at the parting of the way, at the head of the two ways, to use divination: he made his arrows bright, he consulted with images, he looked in the liver.

22 At his right hand was the divination for Jerusalem, to appoint captains, to open the mouth in the slaughter, to lift up the voice with shouting, to appoint battering rams against the gates, to cast a mount, and to build a fort.

23 And it shall be unto them as a false divination in their sight, to them that have sworn oaths: but he will call to remembrance the iniquity, that they may be taken.

24 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.

25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

26 Thus saith the Lord God; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.

27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

28 And thou, son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God concerning the Ammonites, and concerning their reproach; even say thou, The sword, the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering:

29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.

30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.

31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.

32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the Lord have spoken it.

Tell me, is the version of the verses above correct or not????

[tooldtocare]

On 4/29/2018 at 9:50 PM, Jim_Alaska said:

Lots of Scripture tooldtocare. But I fail to see where in any of it God set "guidelines" for mankind to move away from oil to something else. Most of what you posted in reply was about Israel, not oil or running out of it.

Again, I agree. biblical verses are not part of this topic. I strayed and am doing my best to back on track. I want to talk about end of oil, what next? The decisions we make on energy will define the future of mankind. 

Having said that, I am going to leave this topic and hopefully others will jump in expand this topic with new ideas.

BTW do you approve of the Bible I am using?

later 

Edited May 2, 2018 by tooldtocare

[No Nicolaitans]

On 5/1/2018 at 4:49 PM, tooldtocare said:

I agree this is off topic but having said that I have strayed and will get back on topic after I answer this post:

25 “ ‘You profane and wicked prince of Israel, whose day has come, whose time of punishment has reached its climax, 

26 this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Take off the turban, remove the crown. It will not be as it was: The lowly will be exalted and the exalted will be brought low.

27 A ruin! A ruin! I will make it a ruin! The crown will not be restored until he to whom it rightfully belongs shall come; to him I will give it.’

28 “And you, son of man, prophesy and say, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says about the Ammonites and their insults: “ ‘A sword, a sword, drawn for the slaughter, polished to consume and to flash like lightning! 

29 Despite false visions concerning you and lying divinations about you, it will be laid on the necks of the wicked who are to be slain, whose day has come, whose time of punishment has reached its climax. 

30 “ ‘Let the sword return to its sheath. In the place where you were created, in the land of your ancestry, I will judge you. 

31 I will pour out my wrath on you and breathe out my fiery anger against you; I will deliver you into the hands of brutal men, men skilled in destruction. 

32 You will be fuel for the fire, your blood will be shed in your land, you will be remembered no more; for I the LORD have spoken.’ ”

Ezekiel 21:25-32

25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

26 Thus saith the Lord God; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.

27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

 

End of that thought. Now a new thought begins...

 

28 And thou, son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God concerning the Ammonites, and concerning their reproach; even say thou, The sword, the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering:

29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.

30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.

31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.

32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the Lord have spoken it.

 

More about this...

 

Ezekiel 25:1-10

1 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face against the Ammonites, and prophesy against them;

3 And say unto the Ammonites, Hear the word of the Lord God; Thus saith the Lord God; Because thou saidst, Aha, against my sanctuary, when it was profaned; and against the land of Israel, when it was desolate; and against the house of Judah, when they went into captivity;

4 Behold, therefore I will deliver thee to the men of the east for a possession, and they shall set their palaces in thee, and make their dwellings in thee: they shall eat thy fruit, and they shall drink thy milk.

5 And I will make Rabbah a stable for camels, and the Ammonites a couching place for flocks: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

6 For thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast clapped thine hands, and stamped with the feet, and rejoiced in heart with all thy despite against the land of Israel;

7 Behold, therefore I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and will deliver thee for a spoil to the heathen; and I will cut thee off from the people, and I will cause thee to perish out of the countries: I will destroy thee; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord.

8 Thus saith the Lord God; Because that Moab and Seir do say, Behold, the house of Judah is like unto all the heathen;

9 Therefore, behold, I will open the side of Moab from the cities, from his cities which are on his frontiers, the glory of the country, Bethjeshimoth, Baalmeon, and Kiriathaim,

10 Unto the men of the east with the Ammonites, and will give them in possession, that the Ammonites may not be remembered among the nations.

 

 

 

[Pastor Matt]

This topic reminds me of this...

[DaveW]

7 hours ago, tooldtocare said:

BTW do you approve of the Bible I am using?

The rules are exceedingly clear - the KJV is to be used.

It is YOUR responsibility to ENSURE that you quote from the KJV.

It is not Jim's approval, and certainly not my approval that is needed. The rules are plain.

[Jim_Alaska]

7 hours ago, tooldtocare said:

BTW do you approve of the Bible I am using?

later 

When you clearly state what bible version you are using people can say if they approve of it. You have been asked about this a number of times and it should not be that hard post what version you use.

Whether I approve of your bible has no bearing on the rules of this forum. You either quote from the KJV or you don't post.