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3) Feel free to quote the Bible, if you do we ask that you use the KJV. This is done to avoid confusion.
The Administrators and Moderators of this site believe that the KJV is Gods preserved Word for the English speaking people, and we ask that you respect that and use the KJV when quoting scripture.
 

No matter what the topic that is on OnLineBaptist it is the requirement to quote the KJV. The questions concerning what version you used that I asked was in line with the Guidelines of OnLineBaptist and a prerogative that every member on OnLineBaptist can ask no matter what the topic is.

I asked a perfectly correct and proper question that is within the parameters of any topic on OnLineBaptist.

5 hours ago, Alan said:

When you used the KJV you used the appropriate abbreviation.

When you quoted from an non-KJV you did not use an appropriate abbreviation.

Is there a reason why they difference?

What is the name of the version that you quoted?

Either way, the KJV is the only English translation of the scriptures that is to used in the discussions on OnLineBaptist.

 Even if you did copy and paste the quotation of Ezekiel I have the proper right to ask what version you used.

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6 hours ago, tooldtocare said:

 

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The good news------------

A hybrid electric vehicle (HEV) is a type of hybrid vehicle that combines a conventional internal combustion engine (ICE) system with an electric propulsion system (hybrid vehicle drivetrain). The presence of the electric powertrain is intended to achieve either better fuel economy than a conventional vehicle or better performance. There is a variety of HEV types, and the degree to which each functions as an electric vehicle (EV) also varies. The most common form of HEV is the hybrid electric car, although hybrid electric trucks (pickups and tractors) and buses also exist.

These cars get 44+/- miles to the gallon

The battery sits under the car covering the entire area below the seats. The engine chargers the battery when needed. In the future you will be able to charge the battery in your garage. 

Just did the calcs and my turbo petrol medium wagon gets 47us mpg. Better on a recent long trip. 

(According to a conversion website from l/100km)

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10 hours ago, DaveW said:

Just did the calcs and my turbo petrol medium wagon gets 47us mpg. Better on a recent long trip. 

(According to a conversion website from l/100km)

Bro. Dave, I would be very happy with that kind of mileage. My standard 2004 Chev. 4WD pickup only gets 16 mpg on its best days.

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18 hours ago, Alan said:

 

When you used the KJV you used the appropriate abbreviation.

When you quoted from an non-KJV you did not use an appropriate abbreviation.

Is there a reason why they difference?

What is the name of the version that you quoted?

Either way, the KJV is the only English translation of the scriptures that is to used in the discussions on OnLineBaptist.

I wasn't aware that biblical verses were different depending on which Bible I use. 

The Bible I have been using since I was a teenager is a leather bound Bible:

"The Open Bible"

"EXPANDED EDITION"

"KING JAMES VERSION"

BY: "NELSON 675bg"

On the inside of the first page it is written-

The Open Bible

Presented to xxxxx xxxxxx on this 19 day of 1990

Note: I "xx" out my real name

btw I also Google verses and I haven't noticed any great difference between my Bible and what I get on the internet.\

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Alan said:

No matter what the topic is, the Guidelines for posting all scripture on OnLineBaptist is as follows.

3) Feel free to quote the Bible, if you do we ask that you use the KJV. This is done to avoid confusion.
The Administrators and Moderators of this site believe that the KJV is Gods preserved Word for the English speaking people, and we ask that you respect that and use the KJV when quoting scripture.

 Even if you did copy and paste the quotation of Ezekiel I have the proper right to ask what version you used.

Alan

Ezekiel 21 King James Version (KJV)

21 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,

3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.

4 Seeing then that I will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked, therefore shall my sword go forth out of his sheath against all flesh from the south to the north:

5 That all flesh may know that I the Lord have drawn forth my sword out of his sheath: it shall not return any more.

6 Sigh therefore, thou son of man, with the breaking of thy loins; and with bitterness sigh before their eyes.

7 And it shall be, when they say unto thee, Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shalt answer, For the tidings; because it cometh: and every heart shall melt, and all hands shall be feeble, and every spirit shall faint, and all knees shall be weak as water: behold, it cometh, and shall be brought to pass, saith the Lord God.

8 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

9 Son of man, prophesy, and say, Thus saith the Lord; Say, A sword, a sword is sharpened, and also furbished:

10 It is sharpened to make a sore slaughter; it is furbished that it may glitter: should we then make mirth? it contemneth the rod of my son, as every tree.

11 And he hath given it to be furbished, that it may be handled: this sword is sharpened, and it is furbished, to give it into the hand of the slayer.

12 Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh.

13 Because it is a trial, and what if the sword contemn even the rod? it shall be no more, saith the Lord God.

14 Thou therefore, son of man, prophesy, and smite thine hands together. and let the sword be doubled the third time, the sword of the slain: it is the sword of the great men that are slain, which entereth into their privy chambers.

15 I have set the point of the sword against all their gates, that their heart may faint, and their ruins be multiplied: ah! it is made bright, it is wrapped up for the slaughter.

16 Go thee one way or other, either on the right hand, or on the left, whithersoever thy face is set.

17 I will also smite mine hands together, and I will cause my fury to rest: I the Lord have said it.

18 The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying,

19 Also, thou son of man, appoint thee two ways, that the sword of the king of Babylon may come: both twain shall come forth out of one land: and choose thou a place, choose it at the head of the way to the city.

20 Appoint a way, that the sword may come to Rabbath of the Ammonites, and to Judah in Jerusalem the defenced.

21 For the king of Babylon stood at the parting of the way, at the head of the two ways, to use divination: he made his arrows bright, he consulted with images, he looked in the liver.

22 At his right hand was the divination for Jerusalem, to appoint captains, to open the mouth in the slaughter, to lift up the voice with shouting, to appoint battering rams against the gates, to cast a mount, and to build a fort.

23 And it shall be unto them as a false divination in their sight, to them that have sworn oaths: but he will call to remembrance the iniquity, that they may be taken.

24 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.

25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

26 Thus saith the Lord God; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.

27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

28 And thou, son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God concerning the Ammonites, and concerning their reproach; even say thou, The sword, the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering:

29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.

30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.

31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.

32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the Lord have spoken it.

Tell me, is the version of the verses above correct or not????

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On 4/29/2018 at 9:50 PM, Jim_Alaska said:

Lots of Scripture tooldtocare. But I fail to see where in any of it God set "guidelines" for mankind to move away from oil to something else. Most of what you posted in reply was about Israel, not oil or running out of it.

Again, I agree. biblical verses are not part of this topic. I strayed and am doing my best to back on track. I want to talk about end of oil, what next? The decisions we make on energy will define the future of mankind. 

Having said that, I am going to leave this topic and hopefully others will jump in expand this topic with new ideas.

BTW do you approve of the Bible I am using?

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On 5/1/2018 at 4:49 PM, tooldtocare said:

I agree this is off topic but having said that I have strayed and will get back on topic after I answer this post:

25 “ ‘You profane and wicked prince of Israel, whose day has come, whose time of punishment has reached its climax, 
26 this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Take off the turban, remove the crown. It will not be as it was: The lowly will be exalted and the exalted will be brought low.
27 A ruin! A ruin! I will make it a ruin! The crown will not be restored until he to whom it rightfully belongs shall come; to him I will give it.’
28 “And you, son of man, prophesy and say, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says about the Ammonites and their insults: “ ‘A sword, a sword, drawn for the slaughter, polished to consume and to flash like lightning! 
29 Despite false visions concerning you and lying divinations about you, it will be laid on the necks of the wicked who are to be slain, whose day has come, whose time of punishment has reached its climax. 
30 “ ‘Let the sword return to its sheath. In the place where you were created, in the land of your ancestry, I will judge you
31 I will pour out my wrath on you and breathe out my fiery anger against you; I will deliver you into the hands of brutal men, men skilled in destruction. 
32 You will be fuel for the fire, your blood will be shed in your land, you will be remembered no more; for I the LORD have spoken.’ ”

Ezekiel 21:25-32

25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

26 Thus saith the Lord God; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.

27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

 

End of that thought. Now a new thought begins...

 

28 And thou, son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God concerning the Ammonites, and concerning their reproach; even say thou, The sword, the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering:

29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.

30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.

31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.

32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the Lord have spoken it.

 

More about this...

 

Ezekiel 25:1-10

1 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

Son of man, set thy face against the Ammonites, and prophesy against them;

3 And say unto the Ammonites, Hear the word of the Lord God; Thus saith the Lord God; Because thou saidst, Aha, against my sanctuary, when it was profaned; and against the land of Israel, when it was desolate; and against the house of Judah, when they went into captivity;

4 Behold, therefore I will deliver thee to the men of the east for a possession, and they shall set their palaces in thee, and make their dwellings in thee: they shall eat thy fruit, and they shall drink thy milk.

5 And I will make Rabbah a stable for camels, and the Ammonites a couching place for flocks: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

6 For thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast clapped thine hands, and stamped with the feet, and rejoiced in heart with all thy despite against the land of Israel;

7 Behold, therefore I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and will deliver thee for a spoil to the heathen; and I will cut thee off from the people, and I will cause thee to perish out of the countries: I will destroy thee; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord.

8 Thus saith the Lord God; Because that Moab and Seir do say, Behold, the house of Judah is like unto all the heathen;

9 Therefore, behold, I will open the side of Moab from the cities, from his cities which are on his frontiers, the glory of the country, Bethjeshimoth, Baalmeon, and Kiriathaim,

10 Unto the men of the east with the Ammonites, and will give them in possession, that the Ammonites may not be remembered among the nations.

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, tooldtocare said:

BTW do you approve of the Bible I am using?

The rules are exceedingly clear - the KJV is to be used.

It is YOUR responsibility to ENSURE that you quote from the KJV.

It is not Jim's approval, and certainly not my approval that is needed. The rules are plain.

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7 hours ago, tooldtocare said:

BTW do you approve of the Bible I am using?

later 

When you clearly state what bible version you are using people can say if they approve of it. You have been asked about this a number of times and it should not be that hard post what version you use.

Whether I approve of your bible has no bearing on the rules of this forum. You either quote from the KJV or you don't post. 

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On 5/2/2018 at 7:46 AM, DaveW said:

 

I used to use about 2.5 ltrs getting 42km  home from work - but that was water and it was free from the tap at work and free from the tap half way along the bike path. A little less in winter.

Slightly better on the way to work - easier riding in the cool of the morning.

 

 

On 5/2/2018 at 12:46 PM, DaveW said:

Just did the calcs and my turbo petrol medium wagon gets 47us mpg. Better on a recent long trip. 

(According to a conversion website from l/100km)

I was entirely on topic here, and apparently entirely ignored........

On 4/30/2018 at 10:09 AM, DaveW said:

Why is this now about the Jews and no longer about oil?

I hope the Lord returns within the next 30 years - only needs to be enough oil for the Lord's timing.

And if the Lord's timing is beyond the 30 years I believe my God can do anything -if we need it, He will supply it.

Proverbs 3

5  Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6  In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

And entirely on topic here as well, but also entirely ignored.

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China sees the future and is acting upon it now; while we play games on forum boards

2017 China Electric Car Sales Blow World Out Of The Water — BAIC EC-Series Is A Superstar

The rise and rise of the Chinese plug-in electric vehicle (PEV) market is unstoppable, with yet another record performance in December. A total of 102,000 new passenger PEVs were registered last month, up 130% year over year. Yes, that was just December, and it pulled the year-to-date count to over 600,000 units, up 71% compared to 2016.

As consequence of this rapid growth, in December, the PEV share hit a record 3.3% market share of the entire Chinese auto market, while the entire 2017 PEV market share ended at 2.1%. That’s firmly ahead of last year’s score (1.5%) and above the USA (1.2%) and Europe (~1.9%).

The Chinese PEV market represented roughly half of the 1.2 million plug-ins sold worldwide in 2017, while Chinese car makers made 47% of all PEVs sold last year.

https://tinyurl.com/ybe5rcb7

Our future at being the world’s great leader is coming to an end. Soon we, i.e. the us will fall into the category of a third world economy if we do not wake up soooon!

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OK tooldtocare this is a message board, or forum if you like, that is dedicated to fellowship with like minded Christians, Specifically Baptists. You indicated in your introduction that you were a Christian and a Baptist and wanted to interact with other Christians regarding the relationship between God and Israel.

Since that time you have  only posted political rhetoric. There are plenty of message boards that are dedicated to politics. While we do have an occasional political post, it usually relates in some manner to spiritual subjects.

If you have something to post of a spiritual nature  I am sure we would all like to hear it. But please save the political rhetoric for political message boards.

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On 5/1/2018 at 5:53 PM, tooldtocare said:

A hybrid electric vehicle (HEV) is a type of hybrid vehicle... These cars get 44+/- miles to the gallon

Terribly inefficient.  In the 1980s automakers produced cars that got over 60 miles to the gallon.  My father owned one until a '75 Oldsmobile destroyed it and nearly him in an accident.  Too small to be safe, just like today.  Our '82 Olds diesel got over 35 mpg on the highway and it seated 4-5 in luxury and weighed over 4000 pounds loaded.  This is not nearly as important as discussing what you read in your bible today.  

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On 4/30/2018 at 5:44 AM, swathdiver said:

We have nuclear energy, which is a favorite of mine

I totally agree, nuclear is our future energy source. . To get the fuel to fire up a nuclear reactor  requires lots of centrifuges.

I believe that is why Iran's centrifuges were not destroyed.  The world needs all the centrifuges we can make to make the needed fuel to run the world's nuclear reactors.

In my view

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The Iranians are using nuclear technology for the express purpose of destroying Israel.  America and or Israel should bomb them forthwith.  We need more reactors in the United States and at sea powering our capitol warships. 

What if anything does God's Word say on this topic?  That's what really matters.

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On 5/24/2018 at 4:55 AM, swathdiver said:

What if anything does God's Word say on this topic?  That's what really matters.

If you think God is going to supply all the energy we need you are sadly mistaken. He gave us the ability to "think" for ourselves and the rest is up to us.

Here is a bit of God's word for you to chew on-

 (Ezek 36:17 KJVSon of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their ..own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

(Ezek 36:18 KJV) Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it.

(Ezek 36:22 KJV) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

Ezekiel 21:32 (ASV) Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I, Jehovah, have spoken it.

According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population

On 5/24/2018 at 4:55 AM, swathdiver said:

What if anything does God's Word say on this topic?  That's what really matters.

If you think God is going to supply all the energy we need you are sadly mistaken. He gave us the ability to "think" for ourselves and the rest is up to us.

Here is a bit of God's word for you to chew on-

 (Ezek 36:17 KJVSon of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their ..own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

(Ezek 36:18 KJV) Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it.

(Ezek 36:22 KJV) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

In 1947 they were gathered just as the above post prophesied

(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

Ezekiel 21:32 (ASV) Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I, Jehovah, have spoken it.

According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population

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1. Why are quoting from the ASV on a KJV site? - especially when you have already been told not to.

2. Why all the verses that are not about the subject but about Israel specifically?

Why has this suddenly changed from being about energy stores to being what appears to be anti-Israel?

Not many people here will accept you pushing an "Anti-God's chosen nation" line.

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On 4/29/2018 at 7:10 PM, No Nicolaitans said:

Ezekiel 21:32 is referring to the Ammonites...not the Israelites.

Again I must add, so said the spider to the fly--------

25 And you, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

26 Thus says the Lord GOD; Remove the turban, and take off the crown: this shall not remain the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.

27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he comes whose right it is; and I will give it to him.

31 And I will pour out my indignation upon you, I will blow against you in the fire of my wrath, and deliver you into the hand of brutal men, skilful to destroy.

32 You shall be for fuel to the fire; your blood shall be in the midst of the land; you shall be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

I looked and looked and behold I could not find the word Ammonites" anywhere to be found

2 hours ago, DaveW said:

Not many people here will accept you pushing an "Anti-God's chosen nation" line.

All I have done is respond to posts directed at me. I would rather talk about our impeding energy crises instead. 

Tell the other posters to stop talking to me about biblical verses and get back to discussing our future energy needs. 

I for one will not bring this subject up in this energy forum again. 

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1 hour ago, tooldtocare said:

Again I must add, so said the spider to the fly--------

25 And you, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

26 Thus says the Lord GOD; Remove the turban, and take off the crown: this shall not remain the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.

27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he comes whose right it is; and I will give it to him.

31 And I will pour out my indignation upon you, I will blow against you in the fire of my wrath, and deliver you into the hand of brutal men, skilful to destroy.

32 You shall be for fuel to the fire; your blood shall be in the midst of the land; you shall be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

I looked and looked and behold I could not find the word Ammonites" anywhere to be found

All I have done is respond to posts directed at me. I would rather talk about our impeding energy crises instead. 

Tell the other posters to stop talking to me about biblical verses and get back to discussing our future energy needs. 

I for one will not bring this subject up in this energy forum again. 

Sir, if you didn't see it, I would presume it's because you left out the verses...you skipped right from verse 27 to 31...I would ask you to read verses 28, 29, and 30...and then tell us whether the Ammonites are mentioned...and then tell us who verses 31 and 32 pertain to.

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2 hours ago, tooldtocare said:

All I have done is respond to posts directed at me. I would rather talk about our impeding energy crises instead. 

Tell the other posters to stop talking to me about biblical verses and get back to discussing our future energy needs. 

I for one will not bring this subject up in this energy forum again. 



This, on a BIBLE FORUM??????

I have no right to "tell the others" especially when it is from someone asking not to use the Bible in a Bible forum.......

This is utterly ridiculous....

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We will stick to biblical and spiritual things on this forum.

tooldtocare, if you want to discuss politics or related things go do it on a forum that is designed for that. I have locked your other thread because it contains your political views and disdain for spiritual discussion as well as creating dissension.

No more warnings, if you continue as you have you will be banned.

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The issues I have with you sir are that you refuse to actually answer the majority of questions asked of you.

When questioned on your bad science or false accusatory politics, you turn and attack Israel, which has nothing to do with the subject of the thread you started.

When questioned on your off track and bad theology you cry about it being off topic.

How about the posts such as this one:

Entirely on topic and yet showing your electric vehicle "science" to be outdated and basically irrelevant to your point, as other traditionally based technologies exceed your quoted stats.

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Ford has recently stopped making all their cars, except the mustang (trucks and SUVs are not "cars").  Chrysler's small car sales are in the toilet.  Why are people worried about the "end of oil" not up in arms about people increasingly and unnecessarily dragging around several tons of steel just to go pick up some groceries or commute to work?  Not only are we depleting our oil at an irresponsible rate, but we're setting ourselves up for a harder fall when oil runs out.

Part of the problem is that the government has practically banned all cars but the smallest, because of mpg requirements for cars, driving people to trucks and SUVs. I propose a tax on new passenger vehicles based on their gas mileage, a tax that goes up exponentially as the gas mileage goes down.   E.g. buy a car with 50mpg, no tax.  30mpg 2,000 tax.  15mpg 10,000 tax.  Anyone agree?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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So what about people who already have a truck or SUV? They just have to bite the bullet because you don't like what they drive?

I don't know  about your financial situation, but I for one don't have thousands of dollars to run out and buy a new vehicle just because you and other "progressives" don't like what I drive.

And all because of your mythical OIL IS RUNNING OUT mantra. Listen closely: oil is not running out.  Just keep listening t the doomsday prophets.

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On 5/24/2018 at 4:55 AM, swathdiver said:

The Iranians are using nuclear technology for the express purpose of destroying Israel.  America and or Israel should bomb them forthwith.  We need more reactors in the United States and at sea powering our capitol warships. 

What if anything does God's Word say on this topic?  That's what really matters.

Iran has never expressed that they're developing nukes to destroy Israel.   Iran has expressed that they have no nuclear weapons program, and the US and international intelligence agencies agree.  Jesus told the Jews who rejected him, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. children of Satan."   Why do Dispensationalists spread untruths to promote war?  

Iran wants nuclear power because burning oil for electricity is very expensive.  

Adding to my wonderment of why people worried about an end of oil support politicians who want to encourage people to use up oil faster, and to make the country more dependent upon oil (and so the end of oil will be more painful), why would people worried about an end of oil want the US to burn millions of gallons of oil in a war to stop Iran from saving oil?  

 

 

 

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On 7/6/2018 at 2:23 AM, Jim_Alaska said:

So what about people who already have a truck or SUV? They just have to bite the bullet because you don't like what they drive?

I don't know  about your financial situation, but I for one don't have thousands of dollars to run out and buy a new vehicle just because you and other "progressives" don't like what I drive.

And all because of your mythical OIL IS RUNNING OUT mantra. Listen closely: oil is not running out.  Just keep listening t the doomsday prophets.

My proposed gas guzzler tax is for new passenger vehicles.  Not for used or work vehicles.  Don't worry,  this tax will never happen, even if, hypothetically, it would save our economy and our lives.  Mankind is committed to making himself miserable.  

If you don't have lots of spare cash, why would you own an expensive, gas-guzzling SUV in the first place? Or, a truck (if not needed for trucking)?  

Oil is running out.  The easy liquid gold that shoots out of the ground under its own pressure is already mostly gone.  Much of the oil we get now is from fracking and cooking (with natural gas) oil shales.

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BD = oil is running out.

JIm = OIL IS NOT RUNNING OUT.

By 10:57PM GMT 02 Nov 2015

The Earth is not running out of oil and gas, BP says

Global reserves could almost double by 2050 despite booming consumption, oil major says.
The world is no longer at risk of running out of oil or gas, with existing technology capable of unlocking so much that global reserves would almost double by 2050 despite booming consumption, BP has said.

When taking into account all accessible forms of energy, including nuclear, wind and solar, there are enough resources to meet 20 times what the world will need over that period, David Eyton, BP Group head of technology said.

"Energy resources are plentiful. Concerns over running out of oil and gas have disappeared," Mr Eyton said at the launch of BP's inaugural Technology Outlook.

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2 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

BD = oil is running out.

JIm = OIL IS NOT RUNNING OUT.

By Reuters 10:57PM GMT 02 Nov 2015

The Earth is not running out of oil and gas, BP says

Global reserves could almost double by 2050 despite booming consumption, oil major says.
The world is no longer at risk of running out of oil or gas, with existing technology capable of unlocking so much that global reserves would almost double by 2050 despite booming consumption, BP has said.

When taking into account all accessible forms of energy, including nuclear, wind and solar, there are enough resources to meet 20 times what the world will need over that period, David Eyton, BP Group head of technology said.

"Energy resources are plentiful. Concerns over running out of oil and gas have disappeared," Mr Eyton said at the launch of BP's inaugural Technology Outlook.

2050 is just 32 years away, no so far.  

The issue isn't so much running out of oil, but running out of cheap oil.  BP doesn't mind, their profits will go up, and for now they don't want to scare investors.  See what you quoted "technology capable of unlocking..."  The oil reserves are going up primarily because oil that we that we couldn't extract before is coming in reach, such as oil shale.  But, this oil necessarily is more expensive, and even it will start running out.  We'll be pumping a lot of oil for hundreds of years, but much sooner than that, we'll reach peak oil, where oil prices will start to become very, very high.  

You also quoted that there will be resources to produce 20 times the energy needed, but that includes nuclear, wind, and solar.  That says nothing of the cost.   Now, we get maybe one percent of our energy from solar, because solar is so expensive.  

In the next couple of decades we'll see happen is global oil supply go up, as the Chinese and Indians trade their bikes for cars.  And, then in another couple decades, the Chinese and Indians will be forced back to bikes because of oil prices.   In 2050, most Americans will be using small cars, and their grandpa's wasteful SUV will be history. 

 

 

 

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Like most environmental zealots, you tout the party line. Why is it always SUV; like they are the only gas guzzlers in the world? There are plenty of both cars and pickup trucks that have large engines also. Did you ever think that an SUV can haul more people, therefore cutting down on more vehicles? 

When you can show me that all the oil in the whole world has been found and extracted, you might have an argument. But just touting your own personal opinion just doesn't cut it. Worse yet, buying into the environmental party line just shows you are not willing or able to think for yourself. Society will not retreat back into the dark ages just because you say so.

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I can't believe the constant (in every thread!) Re-interpretation of facts by this guy, whether it be Bible, historical, science, or personal.

But it is the way his "theology" works. If you don't like what it says, just change what it means to suit yourself.

 

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On 7/5/2018 at 8:47 PM, Brother D said:

Ford has recently stopped making all their cars, except the mustang (trucks and SUVs are not "cars").  Chrysler's small car sales are in the toilet.  Why are people worried about the "end of oil" not up in arms about people increasingly and unnecessarily dragging around several tons of steel just to go pick up some groceries or commute to work?  Not only are we depleting our oil at an irresponsible rate, but we're setting ourselves up for a harder fall when oil runs out.

Part of the problem is that the government has practically banned all cars but the smallest, because of mpg requirements for cars, driving people to trucks and SUVs. I propose a tax on new passenger vehicles based on their gas mileage, a tax that goes up exponentially as the gas mileage goes down.   E.g. buy a car with 50mpg, no tax.  30mpg 2,000 tax.  15mpg 10,000 tax.  Anyone agree?

Cars are disappearing because of government regulation.  They are also saddled with so many hundreds of pounds of safety requirements that they get poor mileage and the do-gooders have done their damage to powertrains as well.  As an American, I believe in Freedom, not taxes designed to punish, that's Statism and evil.  Of course I disagree.  As a consumer my measure of efficiency is not MPG but rather cost per mile.  

On 7/7/2018 at 9:01 PM, Brother D said:

Iran has never expressed that they're developing nukes to destroy Israel.   Iran has expressed that they have no nuclear weapons program, and the US and international intelligence agencies agree. 

Iran wants nuclear power because burning oil for electricity is very expensive.  

I almost fell out of my chair reading this!  Too Funny!  It's a lie of course.  Dan are you also ToOldToCare?  Hezbollah is Iran and their charter is the destruction of Israel.  Don't look up Memri's videos showing Iranian leaders telling the world they want to destroy Israel with their nuclear weapons.

On 7/7/2018 at 9:12 PM, Brother D said:

My proposed gas guzzler tax is for new passenger vehicles.  ...it would save our economy and our lives. 

If you don't have lots of spare cash, why would you own an expensive, gas-guzzling SUV in the first place? Or, a truck (if not needed for trucking)?  

Oil is running out.  The easy liquid gold that shoots out of the ground under its own pressure is already mostly gone. 

Point 1:  "Read my lips, no new taxes!"  Already had a gas guzzler tax under President George H. W. Bush and such brought on a recession.  Nobody's lives were lost or saved because some rich dude forked over a $900 tax for a Corvette.  But it sure did make the communists feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Point 2:  Because it is safe and reliable.  Today's Chevy Suburban gets 24 mpg on the highway, eclipsing many smaller cars of just a few years ago and doing it with a vehicle that is far more efficient in hauling things and people.  In the 2000s, my little brother had a Honda Accord, my sister a Kia Sportage and my wife and I a Pontiac Montana.  At highway speeds we were all within 1 mpg in fuel economy numbers.  In practice on a road trip, we were highest.  We could haul seven in comfort with luggage for over 500 miles.  They were crammed with 4 in each car.  Ours being bigger was more comfortable, had better visibility as it sat up higher, etc.  Guess who's car is still on the road today?  

People who buy Tahoe's, Yukon XLs, F-150s generally keep them much longer because they are better built and more efficient and safer.  I can go just about anywhere in my truck in any weather, very few cars can match this capability.

Point 3:  Communist propaganda.  More oil leaks from the ocean floor daily than the worst man-made disaster.  Where is your faith rooted Dan, God or man?  From reading this thread, it is man and not God.  God is in control.  If we're going to run out of oil, The Lord will provide just as He did when man started running low on trees.  

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