anyone else loose money yesterday?

[Anon]

2 Corinthians 12:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.


Explain this verse.

[HappyChristian]

I would suggest reading Luke 12:16-21 and James 4:13-17.

Having a modest emergency fund is necessary to keep from going into debt.

Having a 401K, IRA, ect is not necessary nor is it scriptural.

If you read my posts, I think you'll note that I was not endorsing saving millions - not do I think anyone else is. But as far as saying that an IRA or 401K isn't scriptural - I don't really think that's unscriptural (if it's done out of greed or for hoarding, yes...but not if it's opened to save for the future, which is what both of those are for). There are some companies that put money into one of those for retirement. Gov't jobs have PERF - that's a retirement fund that is automatic if one has the job. But! It's gov't, so the wise person would save some of their own, since money from the feds may not materialize.

People still have bills when they retire. And those IRA's and 401K's will help them pay those bills. Of course, if the bottom falls out, there won't be any money in there, either. That' s why I said earlier that precious metals is the best way to go.

[Anon]

Its extremely scriptural (see my above post) to put aside money for your future and for your children. The church is not supposed to care for anyone but the poor and widows indeed. That is assuming everyone else can take care of themselves! There's no other way to do that but lay aside while you can still work. If you don't, you become a burden for your church...or heaven forbid, the government.

I'm not trying to be mean or rude, but not putting money aside for your golden years or for your children is a personal decision...but definitely nothing that should be hyperspiritualized, because that's not in the Bible. As a matter of fact, the topic of inheritance and laying aside money can be found quite often in Scripture, as being a "normal" thing. It is very easy to be wise about money, and lay it aside, without becoming covetous or greedy or having the wrong priorities.

[JerryNumbers]

Can you depend on a retirement funds, $100,000 of stock, or $150,000 of bonds, tear down you barn and build bigger barns to store all of it in and really trust God 100% to supply your daily bread?

Saving money to educate children is actually something that is still rather new, but education does not lead to a better life, the only thing that will do that is Jesus, but even when one follows Jesus they're not promised a walk thru the park unless you believe in the Gospel of Prosperity that many churches are teachings.

11 Give us this day our daily bread. " Matt 6:11 (KJV)

Daily bread, not weekly, not monthly, not yearly, not for retirement."

19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Phil 4:19 (KJV)

14 But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:

2 Cor 8:14 (KJV)

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Matt 6:19-21 (KJV)

We've seen a right smart of thieves breaking thru and stealing people earthly treasures they've stored up here in the last few years, haven't we?

For many, Bible principles sound good, but few that can really trust them.

[okjac80]

that was a MAJOR typo and I am sure your comment was meant as a joke, or at least that is how I took it.
can I blame the typo on having a kid in my lap at the time "helping" me?? LOL

[JerryNumbers]

Do y'all not believe that many can see where your heart is by what they hear you say, or that is write in a post?

Seems there are some who look for something to jump on a brother & or sister about that goes against the Holy Scriptures.

34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Matt 12:34-35 (KJV)

16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Matt 15:16-20 (KJV)

There are many people in this world that I can tell where their heart is by their actions, what they say, and what they do.

For instant, the one who say they love to attend church, but yet you never see them in church, I can know that they really don't care that much about church or they would attend church services instead of sleeping late, going hunting or fishing, going to sporting events and so on.

And before yo jump onto me, we all make mistakes or typos in our post, after all we are all human and very imperfect.

[Colin Stolzer]

Can you depend on a retirement funds, $100,000 of stock, or $150,000 of bonds, tear down you barn and build bigger barns to store all of it in and really trust God 100% to supply your daily bread?

Saving money to educate children is actually something that is still rather new, but education does not lead to a better life, the only thing that will do that is Jesus, but even when one follows Jesus they're not promised a walk thru the park unless you believe in the Gospel of Prosperity that many churches are teachings.

11 Give us this day our daily bread. " Matt 6:11 (KJV)

Daily bread, not weekly, not monthly, not yearly, not for retirement."

19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Phil 4:19 (KJV)

14 But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:

2 Cor 8:14 (KJV)

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Matt 6:19-21 (KJV)

We've seen a right smart of thieves breaking thru and stealing people earthly treasures they've stored up here in the last few years, haven't we?

For many, Bible principles sound good, but few that can really trust them.

You live on Social Security and disability correct? How is that any different than someone who stores their money up in stocks and bonds for later? If you are saying that a person who puts money away for later or for an emergency isn't trusting in God to provide, what are you doing living on Social Security, that doesn't seem like you are trusting God it looks like you are trusting Gov't. And I ask a question of you on page 2 that you didn't answer,

I'm kinda curious what you would do if the gov't couldn't pay your social security and disability next month? Then what do you live on?

C

[John81]

We have one 401k that's invested but it's mostly in rather conservative investments so while we don't make the big or fast gains it's generally stable and grows rather steadily. We don't bother to watch it, other than looking at the quarterly statements. What's there is there and we just trust it to God.

We have two old IRAs, from old jobs, that are in CDs so they are not drawing much interest but they are safe from the market.

[Anon]

I personally think a 401K is more "spiritual" than living off the government, if we are going to talk about who is more "Biblical" here....

[trc123]

Truly amazing. This verse comes to mind, "Luk 6:42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye."

[Guest Guest]

Truly amazing. This verse comes to mind' date=' "Luk 6:42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye."[/quote']


Thanks, trc. :thumb I love that scripture so much. :amen:

[HappyChristian]

Truly amazing. This verse comes to mind' date=' "Luk 6:42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye."[/quote']
:thumb

Suppose someone retires at 65. They are still paying a mortgage and property taxes on their home. So, let's be conservative and say that their monthly mortgage is $500, their taxes are $1,000/year, and their insurance is $1,000/year. Just for the property, they would need $8,000 per year. And let's say they pay off their mortgage by the time they are 75 (my parents won't have theirs paid off by then...). Ten years of mortgage: $60,000. Plus ten years of taxes and insurance (and this is without inflation factored in): $20,000. So, for ten years alone, they would need $80,000. Just for their house. That doesn't include meds, utilities, gas, car, clothing, food, grandkids (either gifts for them, or even raising them, as my parents are my nephew)...and the list goes on. ( Are they guilty of greed because they own a house? Are they building bigger barns just because they bought a house? No!!)

Does anyone really think social security will cover it? Of course not! If it weren't for my parents taking care of my grandma (who will be 99 next month...34 years after retirement age!!), she wouldn't be able to make it, even though she has very few needs.

Paying bills is many times hard when a person has a job. When they are too old to work (either because their bodies just won't do it, or the government won't allow it, or companies won't hire), they need something to live on. How is it wrong to take some of your own hard earned cash and put it aside for the future, so that you won't be a burden on society?

Let me see - if I had to choose putting aside money myself or taking it from the government...no contest!

A retired person who lives on what they put aside is still living off the sweat of their own brow. If they invested it and it accrued money, so what? Poverty does not mean piety.

[Anon]

Poverty does not mean piety.

Right there, key....right there.

I have seen people who think its spiritual that their kids are dressed in mismatched old clothing (Goodwill is great..find stuff that matches) and can hardly put food on the table....now, if that is your lot in life, fine...but don't act like you are more spiritual...go get a second job and dress your kids!

I think it is a good testimony to work hard, have enough money to live on and help support your local church...take a missionary out to eat...buy groceries for someone poor...your kids are well educated and dressed decently....THAT is what is going to win others to Christ...not some person taking from the government because they think its not godly to be wise and lay aside money for the future or even work a second job to cover the finances right now.

[Guest Guest]

Paying bills is many times hard when a person has a job. When they are too old to work (either because their bodies just won't do it, or the government won't allow it, or companies won't hire), they need something to live on. How is it wrong to take some of your own hard earned cash and put it aside for the future, so that you won't be a burden on society?

Let me see - if I had to choose putting aside money myself or taking it from the government...no contest!

A retired person who lives on what they put aside is still living off the sweat of their own brow. If they invested it and it accrued money, so what? Poverty does not mean piety.

Well said, sister!

[JerryNumbers]

You live on Social Security and disability correct? How is that any different than someone who stores their money up in stocks and bonds for later? If you are saying that a person who puts money away for later or for an emergency isn't trusting in God to provide, what are you doing living on Social Security, that doesn't seem like you are trusting God it looks like you are trusting Gov't. And I ask a question of you on page 2 that you didn't answer,

C

SS and or SSD is not living off of the government as you seem to think.

Each person pays money in that has been earned from the sweat of their own labors. Those who do not pay into it, many of them live off the government in the form of SSI which used be called welfare which is a government handout, of which they have not paid one penny into. I know of several around these parts who are on SSI, for they refused to pay into SS. But of course most of them are on it because their unable to work due to disabilities and or age, without it they would starve, which is what many would want to happen to them.

SS and SSD is not a plan that lets people live high on the hog, in fact its just a plan of which people just barely have money to eat and live, that is survive.

You ought to try being disabled sometime, its not all its built up to be. I would love nothing better than to get out and work with my hands as I did all my life until I got to this point, but I hope you never have to find out what its like 1st hand, I guarantee you that you would not like it the least bit, but it will humble a person. I planned t work until my death, but that can change at a moments notice.